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Post by the light works on Oct 29, 2014 15:22:27 GMT
Linux is like an adjustable Crescent wrench. A little harder to use but one size fits all. Windows is like a set of open-end wrenches. Only with a few missing. Easy to use and works great as long as you don't need the missing one. Apple's OS comes with a complete set of special wrenches, but they only fit Apple's bolts. Best of all, but only if have Apple bolts. I would say the other way around. windows is like a set of vise grips - any idiot can use it on just about anything but it may not work well. Linux is like a complete tool cabinet. you can find the right tool for the job there, but you have to know how to use a tool. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 29, 2014 16:11:22 GMT
Linux is like an adjustable Crescent wrench. A little harder to use but one size fits all. Windows is like a set of open-end wrenches. Only with a few missing. Easy to use and works great as long as you don't need the missing one. Apple's OS comes with a complete set of special wrenches, but they only fit Apple's bolts. Best of all, but only if have Apple bolts. I would say the other way around. windows is like a set of vise grips - any idiot can use it on just about anything but it may not work well. Linux is like a complete tool cabinet. you can find the right tool for the job there, but you have to know how to use a tool. I'd say that's a good analogy. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 29, 2014 16:27:31 GMT
I would say the other way around. windows is like a set of vise grips - any idiot can use it on just about anything but it may not work well. Linux is like a complete tool cabinet. you can find the right tool for the job there, but you have to know how to use a tool. I'd say that's a good analogy. me, too, but I'm biased |
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Post by kharnynb on Oct 29, 2014 17:21:46 GMT
Macs are like a fully stocked smithy, great for metalworking, but don't try carpentry.
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 30, 2014 8:25:51 GMT
When you buy a computer you expect it to compute....
Which it wont do straight out of the box, unless you bought it with an Operating system, which if you go to the right shop, they will charge you extra for installing it as well.
You then have to purchase the "Protection" racket, and spend a while updating everything.
I am just glad you dont have to buy a washing machine the same way.....
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Post by the light works on Oct 30, 2014 14:09:03 GMT
When you buy a computer you expect it to compute.... Which it wont do straight out of the box, unless you bought it with an Operating system, which if you go to the right shop, they will charge you extra for installing it as well. You then have to purchase the "Protection" racket, and spend a while updating everything. I am just glad you dont have to buy a washing machine the same way..... I haven't acquired a computer without an operating system in 20 years. of course, that one also arrived without an HDD and was "some assembly required" - and the HDD from the previous computer was transferred along with all the software, before the old computer went to my brother as a reverse compatibility testbed. but it was easier to assemble than a newer plug & play computer because I knew how to assemble it.  |
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Post by kharnynb on Oct 30, 2014 15:22:47 GMT
I don't buy computers as boxed items, short of laptops.
I just upgrade my old pc, having a high quality case and psu.
Whenever it's time for a new motherboard/processor combo, i'll buy an oem windows with it, just for compatibility for games
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Post by mrfatso on Oct 30, 2014 16:15:13 GMT
When you buy a computer you expect it to compute.... Which it wont do straight out of the box, unless you bought it with an Operating system, which if you go to the right shop, they will charge you extra for installing it as well. You then have to purchase the "Protection" racket, and spend a while updating everything. I am just glad you dont have to buy a washing machine the same way..... I haven't acquired a computer without an operating system in 20 years. of course, that one also arrived without an HDD and was "some assembly required" - and the HDD from the previous computer was transferred along with all the software, before the old computer went to my brother as a reverse compatibility testbed. but it was easier to assemble than a newer plug & play computer because I knew how to assemble it. We used to be able to buy computers with pre installed operating systems, but thanks to an EU ruling on Microsoft and computer manufacturers running a cartel, now the computer and operating system have to be sold as seperate components. There have been a long series of cases and fines levied on Microsoft by the Commission amounting to billions of Dollars over the recent years. I preferred the old days when you just brought the package together. Apple is not affected as their product in effect comes as one unit say your IPad and IOS, from one manufacturer and they did not have dominate position at the time. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2014 0:21:13 GMT
I haven't acquired a computer without an operating system in 20 years. of course, that one also arrived without an HDD and was "some assembly required" - and the HDD from the previous computer was transferred along with all the software, before the old computer went to my brother as a reverse compatibility testbed. but it was easier to assemble than a newer plug & play computer because I knew how to assemble it. We used to be able to buy computers with pre installed operating systems, but thanks to an EU ruling on Microsoft and computer manufacturers running a cartel, now the computer and operating system have to be sold as seperate components. There have been a long series of cases and fines levied on Microsoft by the Commission amounting to billions of Dollars over the recent years. I preferred the old days when you just brought the package together. Apple is not affected as their product in effect comes as one unit say your IPad and IOS, from one manufacturer and they did not have dominate position at the time. the US has leaned on microsoft on and off in the past, too. I think what allows the bundling here is that most users who prefer another OS will build their own computer, anyway - so they can build it with the OS they want. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 31, 2014 12:08:45 GMT
My own computer is a Triggers Broom make...
"I have had it for 20 years, 17 new heads and 14 new handles."
(BBC Comedy Only Fools and Horses)
Its on its third incarnation of operating system that appertains to Wind-bodge, and its who knows how many version of linux.
The case remains the same though....
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2014 14:10:51 GMT
My own computer is a Triggers Broom make... "I have had it for 20 years, 17 new heads and 14 new handles." (BBC Comedy Only Fools and Horses) Its on its third incarnation of operating system that appertains to Wind-bodge, and its who knows how many version of linux. The case remains the same though.... my computer is a Panasonic Toughbook. I've had this one for just around 5 years, it runs XP, and it is not going to be replaced until I can get a Windows 10 model - windows 10 being the version of windows 8 that works. this one has XP because they weren't available with Win7 when the HDD on the old one started getting wonky. I am still leaning towards getting a cheap computer to play WOW on until then... |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 31, 2014 15:47:43 GMT
There is no reason why you can't have more than one OS on a system. My son's Mac Book can be booted to run Linux, Windows or Apple OS. He just can't run two different applications at the same time on two different OS's. The OS you start with is the one you have to use unless you reboot.
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2014 15:51:57 GMT
There is no reason why you can't have more than one OS on a system. My son's Mac Book can be booted to run Linux, Windows or Apple OS. He just can't run two different applications at the same time on two different OS's. The OS you start with is the one you have to use unless you reboot. right, macs have been able to run in Intel mode since the 90s - although back then you had to have a hardware upgrade to do it - which was basically an Intel processor board plugged into the system. not sure if they still do that or not. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 31, 2014 16:02:58 GMT
I have Linux on a USB thumb drive. I have my desktop's bios set to first boot off USB if available and then boot Windows (7) from the HD if no USB is found. So if I want to run Linux, which I sometimes use for microcontroller software development, all I need to do is insert the Linux thumb drive and reboot the computer.
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2014 16:05:37 GMT
I have Linux on a USB thumb drive. I have my desktop's bios set to first boot off USB if available and then boot Windows (7) from the HD if no USB is found. So if I want to run Linux, which I sometimes use for microcontroller software development, all I need to do is insert the Linux thumb drive and reboot the computer. If I ever get to the point of playing with PLCs I might consider doing something like that. otherwise I just run regular software, and the path of least resistance is to use the most common OS. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 1, 2014 12:26:10 GMT
I have Linux on a USB thumb drive. I have my desktop's bios set to first boot off USB if available and then boot Windows (7) from the HD if no USB is found. So if I want to run Linux, which I sometimes use for microcontroller software development, all I need to do is insert the Linux thumb drive and reboot the computer. If I ever get to the point of playing with PLCs I might consider doing something like that. otherwise I just run regular software, and the path of least resistance is to use the most common OS. I have linux on a DVD.... qyuite a few flavours, including Ubuntu and Red Hat. I also have a multi-boot system, it can run two flavours of XP, one being the media edition, it can run as a dedicated server, or it can run Linux. The server part is the bit I have used to test run my home server. I am also playing around with a dedicated closed home network at the moment... There is no reason why a home network can not have two wireless connections, so am playing with the idea of having the home server family media storage system printer and scanner on one network that is isolated from internet. High security as always. Linux on DVD, I also have XP on a Thumb-Drive....(USB stick) Yes it can be done, but it isnt stable. Why?... because I have a Raspberry Pi, and I wanted to get XP on that just for a laugh. And no, I havnt made that work just yet... its one of those projects..... |
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Post by the light works on Nov 1, 2014 13:55:20 GMT
If I ever get to the point of playing with PLCs I might consider doing something like that. otherwise I just run regular software, and the path of least resistance is to use the most common OS. I have linux on a DVD.... qyuite a few flavours, including Ubuntu and Red Hat. I also have a multi-boot system, it can run two flavours of XP, one being the media edition, it can run as a dedicated server, or it can run Linux. The server part is the bit I have used to test run my home server. I am also playing around with a dedicated closed home network at the moment... There is no reason why a home network can not have two wireless connections, so am playing with the idea of having the home server family media storage system printer and scanner on one network that is isolated from internet. High security as always. Linux on DVD, I also have XP on a Thumb-Drive....(USB stick) Yes it can be done, but it isnt stable. Why?... because I have a Raspberry Pi, and I wanted to get XP on that just for a laugh. And no, I havnt made that work just yet... its one of those projects..... and yet you have to ask why a person would remove the controller from an automatic (semiautomatic to you) transmission and control it directly with manual valves. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 2, 2014 12:05:26 GMT
So I can try and see what the smallest file size in memory that is required to run an operating system, or the largest hunk of a computer....
Opposite ends of the scale.
The thing with you semi-auto thing is why use such a huge chunk of automatic gear box as a starting point when you have the much lighter manual gearbox that does it twice as much better in the firstest places?...(I fink?..)
Using a automatic gearbox to get manual control is the same as driving a Brad with a 5lb lump hammer.... or a 18inch Stilson for that matter.
Getting a usable micro computer is a very real need, if it works, I may just remove the "Controller" from a USB external drive and replace it with a Raspberry pi to create standalone network plug and play devices, instead of having to waste a whole tower to do the same job?.... as in PnP to the router...
It was one of those projects that when I started it, I needed technology to catch up with my ideas.
Now I have a chance of creating not only a plug and play, but a complete wireless standalone, it has evolved.
If it gets much further evolved, that unit will create its own wireless network as well, as I can see no reason to not add in a small wireless network card.
So what next?... SSD memory, as its getting pretty tight inside that case.
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Post by the light works on Nov 2, 2014 15:20:44 GMT
So I can try and see what the smallest file size in memory that is required to run an operating system, or the largest hunk of a computer.... Opposite ends of the scale. The thing with you semi-auto thing is why use such a huge chunk of automatic gear box as a starting point when you have the much lighter manual gearbox that does it twice as much better in the firstest places?...(I fink?..) Using a automatic gearbox to get manual control is the same as driving a Brad with a 5lb lump hammer.... or a 18inch Stilson for that matter. Getting a usable micro computer is a very real need, if it works, I may just remove the "Controller" from a USB external drive and replace it with a Raspberry pi to create standalone network plug and play devices, instead of having to waste a whole tower to do the same job?.... as in PnP to the router... It was one of those projects that when I started it, I needed technology to catch up with my ideas. Now I have a chance of creating not only a plug and play, but a complete wireless standalone, it has evolved. If it gets much further evolved, that unit will create its own wireless network as well, as I can see no reason to not add in a small wireless network card. So what next?... SSD memory, as its getting pretty tight inside that case. and yet, the automotive big guns have spent huge boxes of money building an automatic transmission that you shift manually - which can change gears much more rapidly than sliding gearsets on rails. all in the name of getting a quicker shift. as for me - if I was worried that much about weight, I wouldn't be running a turbodiesel engine. - and I enjoy the convenience of having a transmission that can shift faster than I can - and mine's only a single clutch with no flappy paddles. Linux is best for advanced applications - you'll get no argument from me on that. but best and easiest are hardly synonymous. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 3, 2014 9:06:04 GMT
Do we need to change gear that fast?... I think not, its just some people want to talk in milliseconds to prove its the one thing they have thats better than the car you run?.... If its down to gear change, I challenge anyone to change faster than I can when I am in full race track mode on a manual box, but then again, we are not on a race track are we?.. I just wish fellow drivers would take note on the morning commute to work.......  Linux is a different tool for a different job. If you want to play spy-on-your-neighbours, use the window. If you want to do some serious development on a Graphic design, use Linux or MAC. "If you know what you are doing", then the question makes no sense, because Linux is not that hard to learn, even for simpletons, its just most people who have never tried dont realise how easy it is to learn.... To be honest its more rewarding than trying to work through the instruction manual of an old VCR recorder machine?.... You are right, best and easy are completely different ball games. But as for moving the goal posts, yes, that is actually a common argument from Window users as to why they think Windows is best and why the cant understand why Linux users dont agree with that. I have the perfect response stolen from a friend on another board.... That was in response that Windows is far from able to do only one thing at a time and cant be relied to do that one thing all that well either..... The one thing I cant understand is that Windows is shipped with a perfectly adequate Video editor (adequate for beginners) and photo editor, but those programs are hidden deep within files n00bs would never investigate, and by the time you have found them, you have already found alternatives elsewhere..... |
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