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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 4:24:06 GMT
A common Model T myth is that it get better gas mileage than a modern Ford car. I know some simple research would quickly prove that one false, but it still floats around out there. Model T vs Ford Focus mileage race? Actually sounds more like a gig for Grant, with him being a spokesman for McNope's now. the model T lists at 16-21 MPG. a Ford even-bigger-than-a-suburban gets 16-22. myth plausible.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 4:32:46 GMT
the model T lists at 16-21 MPG. a Ford even-bigger-than-a-suburban gets 16-22. myth plausible. My wife's Ford even-bigger-than-a-suburban (Excursion) only get's about 13. Down hill. With a tail wind. Even less in stop and go city driving. That's with the V-10 gas engine. The diesel version of the Excursion does get 16-21 but you can't compare that to a Mod-T which had a gasoline engine.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 4:37:33 GMT
the model T lists at 16-21 MPG. a Ford even-bigger-than-a-suburban gets 16-22. myth plausible. My wife's Ford even-bigger-than-a-suburban (Excursion) only get's about 13. Down hill. With a tail wind. Even less in stop and go city driving. That's with the V-10 gas engine. The diesel version of the Excursion does get 16-21 but you can't compare that to a Mod-T which had a gasoline engine. the myth just said it gets better mileage than a modern Ford. it didn't specify model and engine configuration. it's not my fault I had to select the biggest passenger vehicle in the fleet to get one that would be a close race...
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 26, 2015 8:39:06 GMT
I had the same problem there a while.....
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 26, 2015 8:43:50 GMT
A common Model T myth is that it get better gas mileage than a modern Ford car. I know some simple research would quickly prove that one false, but it still floats around out there. Model T vs Ford Focus mileage race? Actually sounds more like a gig for Grant, with him being a spokesman for McNope's now. the model T lists at 16-21 MPG. a Ford even-bigger-than-a-suburban gets 16-22. myth plausible. I am going to be a git and say double that. My own car is doing more than 30 to the gallon, if it was doing less than 30, I would get it looked at?... Its a HUGE by UK standards 1800 cc.... (for a "average family" car..) Myth only plausible in U$A where your MPG's are, to be honest, appalling. Most modern Ford UK cars of "average" use get over 30, maybe even close to 40 to the gallon. Of course I am discounting the Urban SUV "soft-roader" 4wd things, HUGE engine and Pickup truck type monsters that are not comparable.
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 26, 2015 11:48:40 GMT
Really there is no comparing a Model T to a Modern car. The model T weights about 750 lbs, has a 45 HP engine, a top speed of 25 and gets about 22 MPH. My Fusion weighs about 2600lbs.; has a 240 HP engine; I don't know what the top speed is, but I have had it over 95 MPH; and I get about 22 in the city and 32 on the open road. That not even mentioning cargo carrying capacity.
Take a Model T and try to tow the same load as an Excursion and see where the mileage goes.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 14:54:38 GMT
The only thing an Excursion and Model-T have in common is both are no longer made. The Excursion was essentially a F-250 truck with the cab extended back over the bed area. Not a fair comparison to a Mod-T.
If you want to stay in the Ford family, a better comparison would be between the Ford Fiesta or Focus. The Fiesta gets an EPA rating of 28 mpg, city, while the Focus gets 23.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 15:14:23 GMT
Really there is no comparing a Model T to a Modern car. The model T weights about 750 lbs, has a 45 HP engine, a top speed of 25 and gets about 22 MPH. My Fusion weighs about 2600lbs.; has a 240 HP engine; I don't know what the top speed is, but I have had it over 95 MPH; and I get about 22 in the city and 32 on the open road. That not even mentioning cargo carrying capacity. Take a Model T and try to tow the same load as an Excursion and see where the mileage goes. your information is slightly off. a stock model T would have a top speed of 45 MPH, and on a good road, could cruise at 30 MPH.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jan 26, 2015 15:19:59 GMT
The Model T was a four-cylinder engine, so any comparison needs to be made to a modern four-cylinder to be fair. They should have had reasonable cargo hauling capabilities, though -- I know I've seen photos of Ts with heavy-duty wheels impersonating a tractor and doing a good job of it.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 15:23:34 GMT
The only thing an Excursion and Model-T have in common is both are no longer made. The Excursion was essentially a F-250 truck with the cab extended back over the bed area. Not a fair comparison to a Mod-T. If you want to stay in the Ford family, a better comparison would be between the Ford Fiesta or Focus. The Fiesta gets an EPA rating of 28 mpg, city, while the Focus gets 23. ummm... that was the whole point of selecting it for the comparison. - that the model T barely has better mileage than the biggest SUV ever made. comparative mileage between the US and europe remind me of the car shopping experience when my college GF's first car melted down - her mother's demands for what the new car needed to have: 4 doors, power steering, automatic transmission and air conditioning. this took precedence over other lesser demands like reputation for reliability, low mileage, not having evidence of having had front end damage and been repaired with wrecking yard parts, or being able to actually RUN the air conditioning.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 15:27:55 GMT
The Model T was a four-cylinder engine, so any comparison needs to be made to a modern four-cylinder to be fair. They should have had reasonable cargo hauling capabilities, though -- I know I've seen photos of Ts with heavy-duty wheels impersonating a tractor and doing a good job of it. there is no denying that the Model T was a game-changing car. but at the same time, we must recognize that there have been other game changing cars since then.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 15:39:28 GMT
there is no denying that the Model T was a game-changing car. but at the same time, we must recognize that there have been other game changing cars since then. Can you give an example of one that had the same impact on society as the Model-T? I'm not saying there isn't one, I just can't think of any.
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 26, 2015 16:01:11 GMT
First question is what is the testing method used to determine mileage? From what I gather, the Model T mileage is based on various personal experience. Not the best option, you need a standardized test to truly be able to compare them. Has anyone ran a Model T though a EPA mileage test to the 2007 standards?
To try to keep as close as possible, we need to look at 4 cylinder, 2wd, and a naturally aspirated engines (so no turbos, hybrids, or mild hybrids).
With those limits, I am looking at the following 2015 US models. Escape S, 22/31 (city/highway) Fiesta 28/36(manual) 27/37(automatic) Focus 26/36(manual) 27/37(automatic) Fusion 22/34
I'm sure that the European models have some ones with better economy than what we have here.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 16:34:24 GMT
A common Model T myth is that it get better gas mileage than a modern Ford car. I know some simple research would quickly prove that one false, but it still floats around out there. looking at the numbers, I'd say we've pretty much busted that one. But still, if they ever wanted to test it, it would be easy enough to do.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 16:43:47 GMT
there is no denying that the Model T was a game-changing car. but at the same time, we must recognize that there have been other game changing cars since then. Can you give an example of one that had the same impact on society as the Model-T? I'm not saying there isn't one, I just can't think of any. obviously not an identical impact, and not always an impact on society, but there have been many cars that had a significant impact on the automotive world. for example, 1920s cadillacs were the first cars to roll out of the factory with powered windshield wipers as standard equipment. in 1959, Volvo began making 3 point seat belts standard in cars for sale in Europe. the 1948 Buick Dynaflow transmission was the first reasonably functional automatic transmission (I selected this as an example rather than synchromesh, or earlier attempts at automatic transmissions which were less commercially successful, because it resulted in 85% of new buicks being sold with the transmission within 3 years)
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 16:47:38 GMT
A common Model T myth is that it get better gas mileage than a modern Ford car. I know some simple research would quickly prove that one false, but it still floats around out there. looking at the numbers, I'd say we've pretty much busted that one. But still, if they ever wanted to test it, it would be easy enough to do. except for one particular troublemaker who interpreted the claim to mean that there is NO modern ford passenger vehicle that gets worse mileage.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 17:00:54 GMT
looking at the numbers, I'd say we've pretty much busted that one. But still, if they ever wanted to test it, it would be easy enough to do. except for one particular troublemaker who interpreted the claim to mean that there is NO modern ford passenger vehicle that gets worse mileage. Or one modern fool that actually owns one that does.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 18:49:59 GMT
except for one particular troublemaker who interpreted the claim to mean that there is NO modern ford passenger vehicle that gets worse mileage. Or one modern fool that actually owns one that does. I tried to find what the average car got around the time of the Model T but it wasn't conveniently available. - however, I think the model T gas mileage myth hit the scene back in the 70s, when it was actually generally true. (at least in the US)
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 26, 2015 19:03:27 GMT
My reason for posting the myth wasn't to disprove it. As I said it is already known to be false. It is more for the commonality of the falsehood.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 19:26:52 GMT
I tried to find what the average car got around the time of the Model T but it wasn't conveniently available. - however, I think the model T gas mileage myth hit the scene back in the 70s, when it was actually generally true. (at least in the US) Got to love the 70's where gas was so cheap we weren't concerned about MPG and didn't know what we were doing to the environment.
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