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Post by silverdragon on Jan 26, 2015 8:50:07 GMT
On Screen...... I wonder how many times off screen?... or is that like trying to count sheep.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 26, 2015 15:32:22 GMT
looking at the size of the plumbing feeding the cannons, and the fact the A-team montage showed them chiseling out the barrels. I think there might be room for a revisit. they are necked up to at least 1 inch rigid pipe, and possibly up to 1.5 inch. of course, I think it will still fail. Maybe a revisit to see if there is any way the MB can build a working log cannon, but as far as the A-Team's version, I'd say it's definitively BUSTED. They've already shown that you can't get enough force to shoot a square projectile out of a round hole without blowing the log apart first. One question I would ask is, if the A-Team had access to all the large piping, why did they even bother using a log?
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 15:37:46 GMT
Here's a screen capture of the gas distribution system. They used a small propane tank to fill a larger tank that was connected to the two cannons with solenoid valves. This may indicate that the 2X4s were propelled just by the pressure of the propane as there was no apparent ignition system shown. The second photo conterdicts this, however, as each time a cannon was fired, there was a big explosion followed by a fire ball. it may have also been some form of hybrid system which used a flow of gas to fuel a larger combustion cycle. not sure the mythbusters are going to do a "what would it take to replicate the results" episode, though.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2015 15:40:50 GMT
looking at the size of the plumbing feeding the cannons, and the fact the A-team montage showed them chiseling out the barrels. I think there might be room for a revisit. they are necked up to at least 1 inch rigid pipe, and possibly up to 1.5 inch. of course, I think it will still fail. Maybe a revisit to see if there is any way the MB can build a working log cannon, but as far as the A-Team's version, I'd say it's definitively BUSTED. They've already shown that you can't get enough force to shoot a square projectile out of a round hole without blowing the log apart first. One question I would ask is, if the A-Team had access to all the large piping, why did they even bother using a log? because the episode was about a logging crew who were being harassed by nefarious characters - so they had to use a log to make the connection.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 27, 2015 0:14:22 GMT
I loved this episode, and again, I have to say that especially Jamie looks more at ease, which just makes it all the more fun to watch.
There's one little thing that's bugging me about this episode though... Was it just me, or did the "random items lying around" the abandoned wood shop not seem all that random? I mean, if it was abandoned, why would all those tools be there? They looked like they were in pretty good condition too, which seems a little dubious to me.
And then there's the build itself. I have no doubts that Adam and Jamie are incredibly talented guys, but coming up with that design and building it too in under an hour doesn't seem right to me. Seemed like it was more thought out than you could do in an hour. I'm not questioning that they built it in an hour, but I think they planned ahead. They even stopped quite a few times along the way to explain what they were doing. If they were that pressed for time, both planning and building, I'm not sure they would have had time for that.
Don't get me wrong, it was a cool build sequence and an awesome machine they made, but if I'm right and they didn't actually plan AND build in only an hour, I'd take great care with making such claims in the future if I were them. It could go a long way toward wrecking their reputations if anyone ever found out that they'd lied for the sake of dramatic effect (which is also why I won't demand proof, but just caution them about the potential damage it could do in the long run if they make a habit of it).
I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not, I just ask that they watch themselves in the future. I'd hate to see the show lose its reputation and go down the drain because of something this silly.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 27, 2015 0:30:53 GMT
Adam noted in an interview, I think this was on Tested.com, that they had decided not to discuss the builds in this and at least one other episode. While both of them probably mused on what to do ahead of time, they didn't talk about it to each other until the cameras were rolling. They apparently did the same thing for a later episode - Transformers (the 2CV to bike myth). There they not only didn't discuss what ideas they might have until the cameras were rolling, but even went into that episode 'blind'. As in they were told what the story was, but not shown any images of the (possibly real) bike until after they had finished.
I'd guess that they did do the build in an hour, but stopped the clock (and work) when/if they had to do any significant explinations to camera. I'd also guess that they might have taken time out after the build to double check that it was going to be safe to use - which might have resulted in some minor alterations done purely for safety.
One thing to keep in mind is that Adam is actually used to talking to camera while working, as he's done this a fair amount on Tested - where it is also clear that he can work VERY quickly when he feels the need to do so.
At some point Adam will probably address this, and if I can get a (short) interview with someone from the show about the new season/look I might well ask that question if it hasn't been addressed at that point.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 27, 2015 0:58:47 GMT
Adam noted in an interview, I think this was on Tested.com, that they had decided not to discuss the builds in this and at least one other episode. While both of them probably mused on what to do ahead of time, they didn't talk about it to each other until the cameras were rolling. They apparently did the same thing for a later episode - Transformers (the 2CV to bike myth). There they not only didn't discuss what ideas they might have until the cameras were rolling, but even went into that episode 'blind'. As in they were told what the story was, but not shown any images of the (possibly real) bike until after they had finished. I'd guess that they did do the build in an hour, but stopped the clock (and work) when/if they had to do any significant explinations to camera. I'd also guess that they might have taken time out after the build to double check that it was going to be safe to use - which might have resulted in some minor alterations done purely for safety. One thing to keep in mind is that Adam is actually used to talking to camera while working, as he's done this a fair amount on Tested - where it is also clear that he can work VERY quickly when he feels the need to do so. At some point Adam will probably address this, and if I can get a (short) interview with someone from the show about the new season/look I might well ask that question if it hasn't been addressed at that point. I'd think long and hard about it before asking any official sources that question. First off, if they did "cheat", do you really want to know? Secondly, if they did, they'd either have to admit it openly, lie about it, or do the politician's "no comment" and leave everyone to draw their own conclusions, which will more than likely be that they "cheated" and just won't admit it. Either way, once the question is out there, it can't be taken back, so just be careful. As I said, I'm happy to live in blissful ignorance of what really happened, as long as they're careful about these things in the future. I'm not bringing this up because I want to be right. Quite the contrary, actually. I'm bringing it up because if I have doubts, someone else will too and the more doubters they have, the bigger the risk of having the show's integrity ruined for good. Whether they actually cheated or not can potentially become completely irrelevant. If there are enough people with reason to doubt them, they'll face public slaughter by way of social media. We all know this, so I'm just advocating caution in the future.
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Post by the light works on Jan 27, 2015 5:27:13 GMT
I watched the show with the expectation that the space was seeded with things, which would mean they had some expectation of what they would have to work with. - and they only said they had to MAKE the device in an hour.
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Post by blazerrose on Jan 27, 2015 7:29:47 GMT
It struck me as being like the build at the end of the MacGyver episode - the stuff was all there, and then some. What would they do with it all to solve the problem?
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 27, 2015 13:46:40 GMT
I watched the show with the expectation that the space was seeded with things, which would mean they had some expectation of what they would have to work with. - and they only said they had to MAKE the device in an hour. I think they took a close look at the set up scene from The A-Team and gave them the same equipment and items that were seen on the show. Probably adding some other items you could reasonably expect to find in such a shop - A&J would have a good idea as to that.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jan 27, 2015 14:02:00 GMT
Overall, I liked this episode. The kids watched with me again, which is great. They now want me to build the a wood beam shooter...I don't think mom would agree.
I have nothing on the manhole. I didn't expect the car to flip.
Observations on the cannon: 1) The A-Team used 2x4s, A&J used 2x2s. 2) The A-Team's logs appeared to be bored out enough to slide onto the forklift forks.
Two things I noticed from the video:
1) Some supplies were in a room with a padlock on the door. Perhaps that would be another element to have A&J work on during their one hour time limit. Then again, The A-Team had four people, the M-Team had two...
2) (37:30 in the video) While the tank behind the one being moved says Propane, the tank that is being moved appears to be set up for welding. Could it have actually been acetyline or some other gas?
By the way, I would say that Adam is more Murdoch than Hannibal...
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Post by the light works on Jan 27, 2015 14:34:09 GMT
Overall, I liked this episode. The kids watched with me again, which is great. They now want me to build the a wood beam shooter...I don't think mom would agree. I have nothing on the manhole. I didn't expect the car to flip. Observations on the cannon: 1) The A-Team used 2x4s, A&J used 2x2s. 2) The A-Team's logs appeared to be bored out enough to slide onto the forklift forks. Two things I noticed from the video: 1) Some supplies were in a room with a padlock on the door. Perhaps that would be another element to have A&J work on during their one hour time limit. Then again, The A-Team had four people, the M-Team had two... 2) (37:30 in the video) While the tank behind the one being moved says Propane, the tank that is being moved appears to be set up for welding. Could it have actually been acetyline or some other gas? By the way, I would say that Adam is more Murdoch than Hannibal... the A-team split their 2X4 boards in half - it was shown in the episode and mentioned on Mythbusters. in regards to the padlock, there are ways to break a padlock, but I would not expect mythbusters to show them. it takes about 30 seconds with the right tools. and Jamie also said Adam was more like Murdoch than Hannibal.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jan 27, 2015 15:36:15 GMT
]Maybe a revisit to see if there is any way the MB can build a working log cannon, but as far as the A-Team's version, I'd say it's definitively BUSTED. The one from first season worked well -- it took a massive overcharge and a deliberately plugged barrel to break it.
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