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Post by WhutScreenName on Dec 23, 2017 23:57:37 GMT
GI Joe: Retaliation 2013 - Movie
Bad guy Firefly is breaking into a prison to extract his boss. While on a motorcycle filled with more armament than most tanks, he fires a mini-gun from both sides of the bike into a chain link fence, destroying the fence and allowing him to easily drive through where it had been (after missiles took out the concrete barrier).
Could a mini-gun tear apart a chain link fence gate like in the movie?
There are more 'myths' you could take from this scene, but the one I mentioned seems the most likely to have roots in reality...
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Post by the light works on Dec 24, 2017 15:37:55 GMT
GI Joe: Retaliation 2013 - Movie Bad guy Firefly is breaking into a prison to extract his boss. While on a motorcycle filled with more armament than most tanks, he fires a mini-gun from both sides of the bike into a chain link fence, destroying the fence and allowing him to easily drive through where it had been (after missiles took out the concrete barrier). Could a mini-gun tear apart a chain link fence gate like in the movie? There are more 'myths' you could take from this scene, but the one I mentioned seems the most likely to have roots in reality... yeah, I can see where the entire bike being made out of missiles would be a bit implausible. so can bike mounted guns (did an earlier scene show minigun barrels, because the firing pattern, taken by itself would be twin machine guns.) shoot a chain link fence gate to pieces? the components I see are: first, can you clip the wires in a chain link fence with bullets, or is there enough flex in the system that it just bends the wires? and second, what kind of pattern would you get out of a rigid mount machine gun on a bike? I suspect the solution would be that the guns have active targeting that automatically uses the correct fire pattern to take out the gate. the final component would be what the recoil from the guns would do to the controllability of the bike; which, of couse, could also be explained away with GI Joe tech. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 26, 2017 12:54:29 GMT
What would a Minigun do to the stability of a Bike... unless its recoilless, thats a crash happening in progress.
even if in sync with each other, a slight delay between the two firing, would set up a tank-slapper in the bikes stability?.
Unless mounted exactly on the centre of gravity, would that also create enough leverage to flip the bike end over end backwards?.
As riding a bike is all about the ability to correct errors, in that you are never entirely stable, I am doubting the ability of anyone to fire a fast reloading automatic weapon mounted to a bike, unless that bike has the mass of a car that is.
Can it be done?.
Almost certainly yes, but, you have to ask, is it being done by the military at this time, and again, why not?.
If the current military cant do that, there must be good reasons.
Yes they have has Bike-and-chair three wheel combo's with a forwards machine gun, because of the extra stability.
But not just bike and machine gun.
And then there is cornering.
If a minigun is "that big" and sticks out a bit, how the hell do you corner?.
Not forgetting the BMW Boxer engine with limited ground clearance in the past there.
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Post by the light works on Dec 26, 2017 15:10:39 GMT
What would a Minigun do to the stability of a Bike... unless its recoilless, thats a crash happening in progress. even if in sync with each other, a slight delay between the two firing, would set up a tank-slapper in the bikes stability?. Unless mounted exactly on the centre of gravity, would that also create enough leverage to flip the bike end over end backwards?. As riding a bike is all about the ability to correct errors, in that you are never entirely stable, I am doubting the ability of anyone to fire a fast reloading automatic weapon mounted to a bike, unless that bike has the mass of a car that is. Can it be done?. Almost certainly yes, but, you have to ask, is it being done by the military at this time, and again, why not?. If the current military cant do that, there must be good reasons. Yes they have has Bike-and-chair three wheel combo's with a forwards machine gun, because of the extra stability. But not just bike and machine gun. And then there is cornering. If a minigun is "that big" and sticks out a bit, how the hell do you corner?. Not forgetting the BMW Boxer engine with limited ground clearance in the past there. this has got to be good for some funny video moments  |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 26, 2017 17:28:07 GMT
The RAM (Rapid Assault Motorcycle) was released in 1982 as part of the first assortment of the 3.75-inch G. I. Joe line, and has been subsequently released on at least two occasions that I can think of. Palitoy would release a version of it in 1983 as part of their "Battle Action Force" line. www.bloodforthebaron.com/toys/002/z/008/index.html -> Battle Action Force version. As you can see from the first picture, while the vehicle *is* armed with a gatling gun, unlike the bike in the clip the gatling is clearly mounted to a sidecar; presumably, the operator has a trigger on one of the handlebars. It's small as far as sidecars go (it's basically the gun and an ammo box mounted on top of a single wheel), but it is a sidecar and so the wheel - however small - is helping to provide stability to the whole assembly. So that's an alternate take that any testing could consider: could moving the weaponry to a sidecar help with the stability of the whole? That being said, in 1985 Hasbro followed the RAM up with the Silver Mirage; Palitoy released their version in 1987 -> www.bloodforthebaron.com/toys/004/af/020/index.html . With this one, the bike is sporting a full-sized sidecar which a second trooper can sit in and thus be responsible for operating the weapons. (Fan website YoJoe.com has the Hasbro versions of everything, but the site will literally spawn dozens of pop-ups and banners in a short span of time, so much so that even the best of ad-blockers will be tested. Hence no direct links.) |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 27, 2017 10:05:43 GMT
This all depends on the size of the bike. If you are getting to the size of a Goldwing Aspencade, 1300, 1500 and bigger,  then you could probably fire an ICBM from the (passenger) Queen seat without bothering the driver too much, because them things are so heavy, you would have to hit them with a bigger vehicle to even make them twitch?. Ig, however, you are using a modern sub 500 CC "Trials" bike, off-road capable light agile get anywhere thing, no chance. I know trial bikes get up to 1,000 CC, but that isnt really a trails, if something that heavy goes over, you aint picking it up in a hurry. Trails, the art of going extreme off road, riding up dry waterfalls, over open boggy more land, all set to Time trials between stages, and you loose points for putting a foot down. Some of the stuff they ride a bike up, I wouldnt try to walk up without a rope... Dont ask where he is going, ask how he got it up there in the first place?.  This is the favoured type of bike... note lack of seat?.  |
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Post by the light works on Dec 27, 2017 14:29:43 GMT
This all depends on the size of the bike. If you are getting to the size of a Goldwing Aspencade, 1300, 1500 and bigger, then you could probably fire an ICBM from the (passenger) Queen seat without bothering the driver too much, because them things are so heavy, you would have to hit them with a bigger vehicle to even make them twitch?. Ig, however, you are using a modern sub 500 CC "Trials" bike, off-road capable light agile get anywhere thing, no chance. I know trial bikes get up to 1,000 CC, but that isnt really a trails, if something that heavy goes over, you aint picking it up in a hurry. Trails, the art of going extreme off road, riding up dry waterfalls, over open boggy more land, all set to Time trials between stages, and you loose points for putting a foot down. Some of the stuff they ride a bike up, I wouldnt try to walk up without a rope... Dont ask where he is going, ask how he got it up there in the first place?. This is the favoured type of bike... note lack of seat?. and the higher gears are just for going from one stage to another. when I read about them, time was a secondary factor to not "dabbing" a foot. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Dec 27, 2017 18:36:19 GMT
so there's really 2 good myths from what I posted.
1) Can a machine gun (I presumed it was a mini-gun, but the movie never stated) blow apart a chain link fence gate?
And
2) Can said machine guns be mounted to a bike like in the clip and the guns and bike still be fully usable?
*As Iron said, since this myth is from the G.I.Joe origin, you could use a side-car mounted weapon for the test. Granted it's not exactly the same as the movie, but the myth would still come from the same origins.
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Post by the light works on Dec 27, 2017 18:48:06 GMT
so there's really 2 good myths from what I posted. 1) Can a machine gun (I presumed it was a mini-gun, but the movie never stated) blow apart a chain link fence gate? And 2) Can said machine guns be mounted to a bike like in the clip and the guns and bike still be fully usable? *As Iron said, since this myth is from the G.I.Joe origin, you could use a side-car mounted weapon for the test. Granted it's not exactly the same as the movie, but the myth would still come from the same origins. I think I would be bit hesitant to ride a bike with the business end of the guns that close to my legs. at least not without good leg protection. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 29, 2017 9:08:41 GMT
so there's really 2 good myths from what I posted. 1) Can a machine gun (I presumed it was a mini-gun, but the movie never stated) blow apart a chain link fence gate? And 2) Can said machine guns be mounted to a bike like in the clip and the guns and bike still be fully usable? *As Iron said, since this myth is from the G.I.Joe origin, you could use a side-car mounted weapon for the test. Granted it's not exactly the same as the movie, but the myth would still come from the same origins. I think I would be bit hesitant to ride a bike with the business end of the guns that close to my legs. at least not without good leg protection. You would also need a right handed and left handed gun?., on thinking this through, the ejection of spent cartridges, if the are ejected at the rider, or worse still, into the working parts, such as chain or wheel, of the bike, I predict a problem?. |
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Post by the light works on Dec 29, 2017 15:16:23 GMT
I think I would be bit hesitant to ride a bike with the business end of the guns that close to my legs. at least not without good leg protection. You would also need a right handed and left handed gun?., on thinking this through, the ejection of spent cartridges, if the are ejected at the rider, or worse still, into the working parts, such as chain or wheel, of the bike, I predict a problem?. I think there are discharge chutes for many common vehicle mounted guns. |
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Post by ironhold on Feb 25, 2018 3:26:24 GMT
Motivated by the "power lines" episode of the show -
The 11:42 mark on the video (the link should take you right there) is a PSA about what to do when you see a downed electrical line.
Specifically, a pair of kids are talking about jumping the line on their bikes, only to be stopped by heavy machine gunner Roadblock. Roadblock proceeds to lecture them about how dangerous what they're doing is, before... grabbing a pair of long-handled pruning shears and using them to pick up the downed line and casually throw it to the side of the road.
1. Could the rubber on the kids' tires have protected them if they ran over it? Or would they get zapped?
2. Long-handled pruning shears... bad idea, or disastrous idea?
3. Just tossing a live, downed line aside? Seriously?
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Post by the light works on Feb 25, 2018 16:38:40 GMT
Motivated by the "power lines" episode of the show - The 11:42 mark on the video (the link should take you right there) is a PSA about what to do when you see a downed electrical line. Specifically, a pair of kids are talking about jumping the line on their bikes, only to be stopped by heavy machine gunner Roadblock. Roadblock proceeds to lecture them about how dangerous what they're doing is, before... grabbing a pair of long-handled pruning shears and using them to pick up the downed line and casually throw it to the side of the road. 1. Could the rubber on the kids' tires have protected them if they ran over it? Or would they get zapped? 2. Long-handled pruning shears... bad idea, or disastrous idea? 3. Just tossing a live, downed line aside? Seriously? 1: I would place their odds of surviving riding a bicycle over a live, downed power line at better than average, and here is my reasoning: the kids are on a metal structure that isolates them from contact with the line, and with the ground, therefore, they are not in the potential current path - even if the bicycle became a current path, the bicycle will the the primary path, and not the kids. the black rubber tires, as has been exhaustively addressed on another thread, are conductive at high voltages due to the carbon in the tires. 2: yes. 3: how to turn yourself from a parallel current path into the only current path. they really should have had a power company truck arrive on scene to take over. "now you know that only the power company has the training to handle power lines - and knowing is half he battle" |
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