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Post by the light works on Jan 29, 2016 15:26:33 GMT
idea: let the kids play with the stick while you lean on mom. your off the rails example: he has withdrawn his inheritance and he is over the age of responsibility. therefore his parents have no further obligation to him. 1} have already done that, she dont like it. 2) they are legally fighting to do that already, but divorcing your kids "is not that easy".... 1: that's kind of the point.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 30, 2016 8:01:32 GMT
1} have already done that, she dont like it. 2) they are legally fighting to do that already, but divorcing your kids "is not that easy".... 1: that's kind of the point. The point has been made, I am knowing I am flogging the spot where a donkey once dies with that one, so I am now "out of there", as its not my job to be "that man"
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Post by the light works on Jan 30, 2016 8:15:21 GMT
1: that's kind of the point. The point has been made, I am knowing I am flogging the spot where a donkey once dies with that one, so I am now "out of there", as its not my job to be "that man" true, some people are incapable of learning.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 3, 2016 11:55:45 GMT
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Post by the light works on Feb 3, 2016 15:26:36 GMT
the "empty sticks" claim is a result of improper cooking. when you overcook cheese sticks, the cheese sneaks out. as for Howe's lawsuit, I find myself wondering if he researched the validity of the cheese before or after he purchased his sticks. I think if I were McNopes I would be looking into that, and if I found he had researched in advance, I would point that out in my demurrer.
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 3, 2016 18:58:10 GMT
FIVE MILLION DOLLARS!?!?!?How many mozarella sticks did these people buy?!
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Post by ironhold on Feb 3, 2016 19:48:47 GMT
the "empty sticks" claim is a result of improper cooking. when you overcook cheese sticks, the cheese sneaks out. And not just cheese sticks, either. I've had it happen with everything from pizza rolls to cordon bleu. In that sense, I think the only thing they could get McNope's for is inadequately training the staff about proper cooking methods, but that would only work for the stores owned by McNope's itself; they'd have to do something else concerning the stores owned by third parties under a franchise agreement.
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 4, 2016 9:32:43 GMT
I wonder how that could happen, when I know from my [well last century] time as a Macs employee (Mostly stores and deliveries) that they have strict cooking times that shouldnt allow that to happen?..
Class action lawsuit in that he represents a number of people affected, the payout will be shared between all.
The franchise agreement is that you MUST stick to certain rules over food hygiene and cooking. If Macs have suggested incorrect cooking and storing of food, its "their fault" not the franchise that adopted the incorrect rules, and were only sticking to what they had been told?.
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Post by the light works on Feb 4, 2016 14:37:02 GMT
I wonder how that could happen, when I know from my [well last century] time as a Macs employee (Mostly stores and deliveries) that they have strict cooking times that shouldnt allow that to happen?.. Class action lawsuit in that he represents a number of people affected, the payout will be shared between all. The franchise agreement is that you MUST stick to certain rules over food hygiene and cooking. If Macs have suggested incorrect cooking and storing of food, its "their fault" not the franchise that adopted the incorrect rules, and were only sticking to what they had been told?. according to my friend who does equipment maintenance at the local branches, they run four different fryers at four different temperatures. and if it is an older store with manual fryers, you're depending on a minimum wage flunkie to pull the basket at the right time. he also mentioned that you get about the same result if you leave them under the heat lamp too long.
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 4, 2016 20:58:13 GMT
Class action lawsuit in that he represents a number of people affected, the payout will be shared between all. Yeah, but according to the link you posted, that's him and 40 other people. Divide $5 million by 41 and you get an average of $121,951. If every person bought almost $122,000 worth of bad mozarella sticks before deciding enough was enough, then they're... - Dare I say it? Yes I do, because it's not only true but incredibly obvious! - STUPID!!!
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Post by ponytail61 on Feb 5, 2016 1:10:07 GMT
If they are making the cheese sticks from shredded mozzarella then that would account for the starch. Shredded mozz is covered in starch to prevent clumping and sticking and as far as I know is still allowed to be called mozzarella under federal guidelines. All my shredded mozz is covered in starch and is still labeled as mozzarella cheese. My best guess is McD's supplier uses shredded mozzarella, presses it and cuts into sticks and then breads them. It gets around the FDA rules and is probably easier to mass produce.
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Post by the light works on Feb 5, 2016 3:40:05 GMT
Class action lawsuit in that he represents a number of people affected, the payout will be shared between all. Yeah, but according to the link you posted, that's him and 40 other people. Divide $5 million by 41 and you get an average of $121,951. If every person bought almost $122,000 worth of bad mozarella sticks before deciding enough was enough, then they're... - Dare I say it? Yes I do, because it's not only true but incredibly obvious! - STUPID!!!only $61,000 after legal fees.
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 5, 2016 7:04:07 GMT
It's not Only to compensate for the cost of the sticks themselves but for the emotional distress caused by the lack of cheese. Yeah right.....
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 5, 2016 8:59:36 GMT
It's not Only to compensate for the cost of the sticks themselves but for the emotional distress caused by the lack of cheese. Yeah right..... If lack of cheese causes so immense emotional distress for these people, then in case they win, would it be too bold of the judge to place a clause on the payout that limits the use of the money to payment for psychiatric help?
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 5, 2016 9:19:18 GMT
It's not Only to compensate for the cost of the sticks themselves but for the emotional distress caused by the lack of cheese. Yeah right..... If lack of cheese causes so immense emotional distress for these people, then in case they win, would it be too bold of the judge to place a clause on the payout that limits the use of the money to payment for psychiatric help? If I asked for steak and chips but was served Chicken, it would cause distress. If I were then told "This IS what you get when you order steak, shut up and get on with it", I would be further distressed. In saying that, I am on the side of the Class Action that if its normal practise to fob off customers with not-what-they-ordered-or-expected, "Someone has to pay". That payment will be more than the cost of taking it to court, as its my time and effort to get that to court.
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 5, 2016 9:40:21 GMT
If lack of cheese causes so immense emotional distress for these people, then in case they win, would it be too bold of the judge to place a clause on the payout that limits the use of the money to payment for psychiatric help? If I asked for steak and chips but was served Chicken, it would cause distress. If I were then told "This IS what you get when you order steak, shut up and get on with it", I would be further distressed. In saying that, I am on the side of the Class Action that if its normal practise to fob off customers with not-what-they-ordered-or-expected, "Someone has to pay". That payment will be more than the cost of taking it to court, as its my time and effort to get that to court. Don't like what you've been served? Complained but wasn't taken seriously? Here's a crazy idea: Demand your money back, leave the restaurant, don't come back and tell your friends to stay away from that place. Unless you were physically ill or injured by what you were served, leading to lost income because you were unable to go to work for a length of time, then going to court and demanding $5 million for getting "not quite what you expected" when you ordered the 3 for $1 mozarella sticks is a stupid waste of everyone's time. But I guess those are the times we live in. Get slightly disappointed over something and the whole world has to stop in order for you to complain and demand retribution far beyond what's resaonable...
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 5, 2016 10:55:50 GMT
How about Macs who know there was a problem "Fix" it, and serve future customers the right product...
Or will we just allow shoddy service to continue?.
There are laws that state if you say 100% real cheese it should be 100% real cheese, why is no one who made the laws imposing them, and if the only way to impose those laws is a class action lawsuit.......
Maybe the emotional distress is not what I would have claimed, more like the cost of citizens being forced to do what the gobmint gets paid to do, and shouldnt we get paid for that job if the gobmint isnt going to do it, and why should the [lawyers description removed because its too rude] get all the money for this anyway.
There should be some kind of "fine" imposed for breaking the law on serving incorrect products that is more that just "Your money back".
For those reasons, I support the lawsuit, to force the company to rethink its business model of shoddy service or your money back but KEEP supplying that shoddy service to others knowing its not right....
Yep, for "Emotional distress" I agree its not reasonable. But for the fact you make a complaint about incorrect product but they continue to "Do nothing" and ignore you?.. knowing they are continuing to serve that incorrect product and doing nothing about it, then you have to get to the stage where you are making some noise that the whole local world takes notice of before they do ANYTHING to correct the problem, I think yeah, sometimes you HAVE to make noise to get things done right.
"Its only a cheese straw" Today, yes. But if the continue to "Get away with it", how long before the 4oz quarter pounder weight before cooking starts getting diluted with water before cooking to bulk up the product knowing your only getting 3oz of cooked meat when by all rights you were expecting 4oz?..
As someone who prided themself on serving customers products that were as near damn perfect as you can get, seeing other companies getting away with shoddy service kind of hurts a little.
Its like watching car-crash TV with "SWIFT" drivers taking 12ft tall trucks under a 10ft6 bridge... It hurts professional pride when I see ijurts doing that?..
Its only a fast food restaurant, but shouldnt we expect our fast food to arrive as we asked for it?, and if there is a problem, a bit more than just your money back and continue to serve the wrong thing to others repeatedly basically just ignoring you as if "we aint got time for this"
If I had a customer bring back a pint and say "This tastes bad", my first objective is to find out why, fix it, and offer replacement of the right product in perfect condition to the customer. IMMEDIATE reaction is throw a towel over that pump and stop serving it until I find out why... It may have been just that pint, maybe a bad glass, maybe on the first one of the day the lines have suffered, so inspect the next pint or two drawn, check the cellar and draw off direct from the barrel, if the lines are bad, clean them, if its now the whole barrel, replace it. find out what caused the problem. I would also be questioning everyone else I have served with that just to see that everyone is happy.....
I wouldnt just throw the money back at the customer with a lame excuse of an apology and carry on serving the next customer in line hoping they wont notice or complain....
Perhaps its the lack of customer care that causes some distress?..
I dont know.
I certainly dont think its worth a months pay in reimbursement for one bad meal or more. I do however believe if a product is "not right", then the supplier should at least do a product recall in house and find out why, without them having to be forced to do so by a court.....
Maybe I am just looking too much outside at the bigger picture in this, but, I do know Macs have done similar dodgy things in the past, hence the spate of laws against "passing off". As in "Its real American meat" claim when the meat was raised in Venezuala shipped to America "on the hoof" and after one day of being on American soil can be claimed as "American", and there being no law at that time against that.
You didnt know that one did you?.. ... ... or did you?
The same thing has happened over here in UK, which is why now all on the hoof products have to have "passports" and there are laws against movement of livestock just to claim "Its all British" when the animal has spent most of its life outside UK.
So, the claim of 100% mozzarella, if it contains cornstarch, how much can that be before its not 100%?.. If Macs are "Bulking out", by how much?.. There are laws on how much contamination s allowed. Not sure on the exacts from country to country..... But if the end product is less than claimed, even if its incorrect cooking, they are breaking the law.
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Post by the light works on Feb 5, 2016 15:08:56 GMT
If lack of cheese causes so immense emotional distress for these people, then in case they win, would it be too bold of the judge to place a clause on the payout that limits the use of the money to payment for psychiatric help? If I asked for steak and chips but was served Chicken, it would cause distress. If I were then told "This IS what you get when you order steak, shut up and get on with it", I would be further distressed. In saying that, I am on the side of the Class Action that if its normal practise to fob off customers with not-what-they-ordered-or-expected, "Someone has to pay". That payment will be more than the cost of taking it to court, as its my time and effort to get that to court. but this is more along the lines of "the menu said the sandwich came with crisps, but I got pringles, instead."
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 5, 2016 22:48:42 GMT
If I asked for steak and chips but was served Chicken, it would cause distress. If I were then told "This IS what you get when you order steak, shut up and get on with it", I would be further distressed. In saying that, I am on the side of the Class Action that if its normal practise to fob off customers with not-what-they-ordered-or-expected, "Someone has to pay". That payment will be more than the cost of taking it to court, as its my time and effort to get that to court. but this is more along the lines of "the menu said the sandwich came with crisps, but I got pringles, instead." And if you're so mentally fragile that something like that causes you distress so severe that you can't possibly go on living without fleecing someone for $122,000 over some $1 fried cheese sticks, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to leave your house without supervision... Look, I agree that there are laws that need to be met when selling food, that those laws are there for a reason, that the people who are supposed to uphold them aren't always the quickest horses on the farm and that a company that doesn't deliver what's promised needs to be held accountable, but there are other, more reasonable ways of achieving that than demanding an insane amount of money for a relatively minor offense. As I said, start by complaining at the restaurant. If that doesn't work, take it up with the main office. If all those 41 people had the same bad experience at the same McNope's, I can assure you it'll be dealt with swiftly. If it's not at the same restaurant, but a general problem, it will probably also be dealt with, but it might take a little more time. If none of that works, take to trashing the chain by word of mouth and on social media and get your friends in on it. If enough people stop buying the product, it'll either be removed from the menu, or the problem will be fixed. If word of mouth and social media doesn't work either, you still have the option of going to the established media. Nothing is as sure to get big chains like these back on track as bad publicity. Those are your options BEFORE suing, but personally, I'd still just stop going to that restaurant and keep trashing them whenever the chance presents itself. Unless I've been physically hurt (or at least been at risk of injury), I can't see myself suing anyone over some cheese sticks. It just seems too petty and ridiculous for me to even think that way.
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Post by the light works on Feb 6, 2016 0:44:40 GMT
but this is more along the lines of "the menu said the sandwich came with crisps, but I got pringles, instead." And if you're so mentally fragile that something like that causes you distress so severe that you can't possibly go on living without fleecing someone for $122,000 over some $1 fried cheese sticks, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to leave your house without supervision... Look, I agree that there are laws that need to be met when selling food, that those laws are there for a reason, that the people who are supposed to uphold them aren't always the quickest horses on the farm and that a company that doesn't deliver what's promised needs to be held accountable, but there are other, more reasonable ways of achieving that than demanding an insane amount of money for a relatively minor offense. As I said, start by complaining at the restaurant. If that doesn't work, take it up with the main office. If all those 41 people had the same bad experience at the same McNope's, I can assure you it'll be dealt with swiftly. If it's not at the same restaurant, but a general problem, it will probably also be dealt with, but it might take a little more time. If none of that works, take to trashing the chain by word of mouth and on social media and get your friends in on it. If enough people stop buying the product, it'll either be removed from the menu, or the problem will be fixed. If word of mouth and social media doesn't work either, you still have the option of going to the established media. Nothing is as sure to get big chains like these back on track as bad publicity. Those are your options BEFORE suing, but personally, I'd still just stop going to that restaurant and keep trashing them whenever the chance presents itself. Unless I've been physically hurt (or at least been at risk of injury), I can't see myself suing anyone over some cheese sticks. It just seems too petty and ridiculous for me to even think that way. It's the american way.
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