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Post by silverdragon on Jan 25, 2018 9:17:07 GMT
In watching the episode last night on UK tv.
The choice of revolver... question on history then, "Fanning" the hammer, which if that doesnt sound like a "dooble en-tender" [?sp] for something rude I dont know, but, did they not have the ability for the revolver to revolve to the next chamber by then, and is fanning the hammer the best way to do that anyway, as it automatically would pull the revolver off target, if the kickback didnt in the first place?.
The rapid fire with that rifle, as expected, if you are "all that good", you should be able to put 5 rounds of lead down the range in quick succession. Reasonably accurate.
On the Dynamite Crossbow, Confirmed, if your trying to invent an automatic crossbow, there can only be a range of possible results, which will be a lot of explosions when you didnt want them.
However. I had a real crazy idea. Estimated flight time of a stick of dynamite over say 30ft, that would be around 5 seconds, on using data from the show and a good few delayed seconds just in case, would there be a way of modern technology of creating a delayed fuse on a timing switch that would sense separation from the crossbow and fire 5 seconds later?.
I know, that sound a lot like the firing mechanisms to arm an old Torpedo to ensure the thing dont get armed before it leaves the ship, so this is possible then, just how plausible.
Going off that, is there a way to fashion the dynamite into a more aerodynamic shape, and use a modern impact sensor on the tip, once again using a separation switch to arm the thing only when it leaves the crossbow. "Plastique" explosives, thats why they named 'em such?. You could get a good representation of a crossbow bolt even with flights that is all made of explosives, almost silent deployment, and complete destruction of the round, you could do a lot of serious sabotage with something like that.?
"What you have there is a HE round"... yep, thats what I am aiming for there.
Otherwise, failure is definitely an informative option, because that just showed why they use a bunker and remote firing options, these things they do ARE dangerous, and should not be tried at home.
Jon, "This aint your fist rodeo", yep, looks like he has some seriously good firearm skills hidden in there somewhere?.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 25, 2018 9:47:55 GMT
With many early revolvers pulling the trigger did not cock the hammer, you had to manually do that yourself. The cylinder would rotate as the hammer was pulled back.
Gunslingers would therefore 'Fan the hammer' by keeping the trigger pulled back and pulling and releasing the hammer with the other hand. Indeed some gunslingers would tie the trigger back, and there are even some cases where guns were modified or built without a trigger and could only be fired by fanning the hammer.
A rare case of Hollywood actually getting its history right...Even if 90% of everything else Cowboy related is hokum, including how often guns were actually used.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 25, 2018 10:02:24 GMT
With many early revolvers pulling the trigger did not cock the hammer, you had to manually do that yourself. The cylinder would rotate as the hammer was pulled back. Gunslingers would therefore 'Fan the hammer' by keeping the trigger pulled back and pulling and releasing the hammer with the other hand. Indeed some gunslingers would tie the trigger back, and there are even some cases where guns were modified or built without a trigger and could only be fired by fanning the hammer. A rare case of Hollywood actually getting its history right...Even if 90% of everything else Cowboy related is hokum, including how often guns were actually used. The "what I heard" on that subject, two gunslingers tried a gunfight in the middle of a street "Somewhere" and the Sheriff of that town and his deputy arrived on scene and decided safety was an issue so shot them before they could shoot anyone else by accident?. Both survived, non lethal shots, but were immediately arrested and sent to jail.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 25, 2018 10:37:34 GMT
I'm only aware of one, yes ONE high noon type gunfight being recorded in the entire 'wild west'.
In fact practically all towns in the West West banned firearms from being brought into them; The fight at the OK Corral (or to be more accurate 'The ten second, one sided shootout in an alley behind and half a block away from the OK Corral) came about simply because one group were flouting this standing law.
Trivia; The Bothan apparently worked on this episode, and was rather amused during their research to find that the 'Wild' west in its entirety had fewer gun related crimes over a twenty year period than some modern Californian towns do in a single year.
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Post by the light works on Jan 25, 2018 14:58:03 GMT
actually, "fanning the hammer" was one of those overreported things, along with how wild the "wild west" allegedly was. because it wasn't really all that effective. one thing that WAS true, more or less, was the Buntline Special. commissioned by fiction writer Ned Buntline and given as gifts to his favorite "wild west" lawmen, most of whom reduced the barrel to a more standard length. the one exception, I think was Wyatt Earp. the one exception found it useful as a nightstick (billy club)
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Post by ironhold on Jan 25, 2018 16:43:18 GMT
I'm only aware of one, yes ONE high noon type gunfight being recorded in the entire 'wild west'. In fact practically all towns in the West West banned firearms from being brought into them; The fight at the OK Corral (or to be more accurate 'The ten second, one sided shootout in an alley behind and half a block away from the OK Corral) came about simply because one group were flouting this standing law. Trivia; The Bothan apparently worked on this episode, and was rather amused during their research to find that the 'Wild' west in its entirety had fewer gun related crimes over a twenty year period than some modern Californian towns do in a single year. From what I understand, there's a debate over *why* firearm-related crimes were so rare, with arguments ranging from "it was presumed that most people were armed and ready to defend themselves, so few people felt brave enough to try anything" to "towns were small enough and law enforcement effective enough that there was no point if you were a resident" to "people back then simply knew better". I would imagine that a few people here and there might be attempting to question the validity of the records for possible "under-reporting", but based on what we have the historical evidence is pretty solid that the "Wild" West is something that was mostly an invention of later writers and entertainment types. IIRC, the first cowboys to "live up to" the reports came about very late in the game and were deliberately trying to match the reports, not the other way around.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 26, 2018 7:30:42 GMT
"When you live by the sword",
If you get to the thinking that those "who know better" all face a common enemy, that being the very world they are living in, yes, people back then knew better, and surrendered their firearms on entering a city/township/large population, and everyone knew everyone else, that kind of community breeds community, and of course there are arguments, some serious, but later on that week, everyone is friends again because everyone needs to chip in to help "raise the barn" kind of thing.
But they all got the training, because the gun is needed to protect from outside forces. And hunting.
And because everyone knows everyone else, arguments and bar brawls rarely needed to get past a few black eyes. Law enforcement turned up shortly afterwards, they knew where you lived, no need to hurry, because its better to arrest someone when the red mist has lifted and they dont resist?.
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Post by the light works on Jan 26, 2018 14:38:01 GMT
"When you live by the sword", If you get to the thinking that those "who know better" all face a common enemy, that being the very world they are living in, yes, people back then knew better, and surrendered their firearms on entering a city/township/large population, and everyone knew everyone else, that kind of community breeds community, and of course there are arguments, some serious, but later on that week, everyone is friends again because everyone needs to chip in to help "raise the barn" kind of thing. But they all got the training, because the gun is needed to protect from outside forces. And hunting. And because everyone knows everyone else, arguments and bar brawls rarely needed to get past a few black eyes. Law enforcement turned up shortly afterwards, they knew where you lived, no need to hurry, because its better to arrest someone when the red mist has lifted and they dont resist?. and people were not packed in so close together, which is a major contributor to reducing antisocial behavior.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 27, 2018 7:20:46 GMT
"When you live by the sword", If you get to the thinking that those "who know better" all face a common enemy, that being the very world they are living in, yes, people back then knew better, and surrendered their firearms on entering a city/township/large population, and everyone knew everyone else, that kind of community breeds community, and of course there are arguments, some serious, but later on that week, everyone is friends again because everyone needs to chip in to help "raise the barn" kind of thing. But they all got the training, because the gun is needed to protect from outside forces. And hunting. And because everyone knows everyone else, arguments and bar brawls rarely needed to get past a few black eyes. Law enforcement turned up shortly afterwards, they knew where you lived, no need to hurry, because its better to arrest someone when the red mist has lifted and they dont resist?. and people were not packed in so close together, which is a major contributor to reducing antisocial behavior. And they didnt have 3,000 amp sub-woofers on their carts, and although there was some noise from the horse passing wind, not as much as a phatboy exhaust at 3am?.
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