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Post by silverdragon on Feb 6, 2018 7:34:06 GMT
No, its a combination of the two, when the spike strip hits, the two ends are drawn round to the rear of the tyres, and "let go", so they either entangle or puncture the rear tyres, a bit like a noose tightening, but in no way supposed to be anchored tight as to rip away whatever is holding them?. just enough to draw the two ends together to wrap around the vehicle and possibly get in the way and jam up the mechanics. so it's not going to get entangled in the car enough to pull it out from whatever is holding it, just enough to get entangled in the car and stop it. that's a stop net. the stop net just lays on the road, and then instead of the spikes pulling out of the net, like a spike strip, they catch in the tires and suck the net up around them to jam up the mechanics. again: spike strip - let the air out of the tires, so they have to give up. stop net - jam up the mechanics. spike strip - one person deployment, minimal confrontation - they even have a remote controlled model. stop net - at least two people to get it spread out properly - forces a confrontation, then and there. I cant see why this is any problem, it stops the car, if its a hybrid and it works?.. Better yet, a net come spike set that entangles the full car and keeps the doors shut until backup can arrive, let 'em cool off a bit, problem solved?. If they dynamite the engine whilst waiting, thats one vehicle off the road that wont need to be reclaimed and used again by the silly gits isnt it?. |
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Post by mrfatso on Feb 6, 2018 10:05:28 GMT
Bear in mind we are talking America were criminals often have guns.
Stop the car by deflating the tyres they are forced onto foot but won't feel trapped, they may leave stuff behind and are easier to persue, entangle the car an obstruct the doors they may feel shooting their way out is their only option.
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Post by the light works on Feb 6, 2018 15:17:53 GMT
bear also in mind we are talking about defining things. it calls to mind, a story one of our old chiefs told about one of the first wildland fires he supervised. they needed a little more water, so he called dispatch for a tanker. the dispatcher was being attentive enough to ask him to confirm it was a tanker that he needed. this is a tanker.  this is a tender.  similarly, there is a difference between a stop net and a spike strip. this is important, because you order what you need. knowing the difference also stops you reinventing the wheel. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 7, 2018 6:59:33 GMT
Just to note, "Tanker" is what many people call the "silver bullet" liquid delivery trailer.  |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 7, 2018 7:03:43 GMT
The difference between stop strip and catch net, yes, there is, but why NOT a hybrid of both if you have a vehicle you definitely want stopped NOW and have the manpower to deal with it when it is?.
Or have the manpower right behind it chasing it.
I still think a wrap-around spike strip that gets all tyres with many spikes is a bonus...
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Post by the light works on Feb 7, 2018 15:04:22 GMT
The difference between stop strip and catch net, yes, there is, but why NOT a hybrid of both if you have a vehicle you definitely want stopped NOW and have the manpower to deal with it when it is?. Or have the manpower right behind it chasing it. I still think a wrap-around spike strip that gets all tyres with many spikes is a bonus... so you want something that stops a car right now, but just slows it down to allow the pursuit to catch up before it stops? the spike strip DOES get all the tires with many spikes. the stop net wraps around and jams up the works so the car slides to a stop. if you're stopping the car, right now, anyway, why do you need to let the air out of ALL the tires? that just makes the tow truck driver grumpy. |
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Post by silverdragon on Feb 8, 2018 6:25:22 GMT
The difference between stop strip and catch net, yes, there is, but why NOT a hybrid of both if you have a vehicle you definitely want stopped NOW and have the manpower to deal with it when it is?. Or have the manpower right behind it chasing it. I still think a wrap-around spike strip that gets all tyres with many spikes is a bonus... so you want something that stops a car right now, but just slows it down to allow the pursuit to catch up before it stops? the spike strip DOES get all the tires with many spikes. the stop net wraps around and jams up the works so the car slides to a stop. if you're stopping the car, right now, anyway, why do you need to let the air out of ALL the tires? that just makes the tow truck driver grumpy. Ever hear the term Belt and braces?. With todays ever increasing technology, I can see a road legal 2,000bhp car in the near future, even one that in general production, not just some backyard Frankenstein, thats the size and weight of a Humvee, more a light to heavy goods vehicle than a car, and thats going to take some stopping, especially if the driver has decided to deploy some anti-stop technology. In truth, I watched a show with Kindig-it-designs when they managed something like 3,500 BHP under the hood of a "sleeper" Chevy Nova. How much is too much?. There is no actual law that prevents any size of engine, as long as it meets emissions laws and passes the safe-on-the-road test that is an MOT in UK, in theory, you could put a 5,000 bhp in a car and it be road legal. Getting all that power to the road, thats some special tyres, but I am sure if you built that on a semi-truck frame, eventually you would find something that works?. Why?. Fuel economy be damned, when you hit the go-faster pedal, your outa'-here-in a de-ass-the-area speed?. If they start to put anti-puncture run flat tyres on one of them, your going to need to tether the thing to a MUCH bigger boat to stop it running?. And then why not?. the full hypothesis of the show is an eventual go big before you go home, unless your blowing a safe that is, so why not see how big you can go and be one or two man team deployable. If you have a shooter in the car, why not also keep them contained in the car, instead of running about on foot like a loon. That would also narrow their field of view a hell of a lot... |
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Post by the light works on Feb 8, 2018 15:58:39 GMT
so you want something that stops a car right now, but just slows it down to allow the pursuit to catch up before it stops? the spike strip DOES get all the tires with many spikes. the stop net wraps around and jams up the works so the car slides to a stop. if you're stopping the car, right now, anyway, why do you need to let the air out of ALL the tires? that just makes the tow truck driver grumpy. Ever hear the term Belt and braces?. With todays ever increasing technology, I can see a road legal 2,000bhp car in the near future, even one that in general production, not just some backyard Frankenstein, thats the size and weight of a Humvee, more a light to heavy goods vehicle than a car, and thats going to take some stopping, especially if the driver has decided to deploy some anti-stop technology. In truth, I watched a show with Kindig-it-designs when they managed something like 3,500 BHP under the hood of a "sleeper" Chevy Nova. How much is too much?. There is no actual law that prevents any size of engine, as long as it meets emissions laws and passes the safe-on-the-road test that is an MOT in UK, in theory, you could put a 5,000 bhp in a car and it be road legal. Getting all that power to the road, thats some special tyres, but I am sure if you built that on a semi-truck frame, eventually you would find something that works?. Why?. Fuel economy be damned, when you hit the go-faster pedal, your outa'-here-in a de-ass-the-area speed?. If they start to put anti-puncture run flat tyres on one of them, your going to need to tether the thing to a MUCH bigger boat to stop it running?. And then why not?. the full hypothesis of the show is an eventual go big before you go home, unless your blowing a safe that is, so why not see how big you can go and be one or two man team deployable. If you have a shooter in the car, why not also keep them contained in the car, instead of running about on foot like a loon. That would also narrow their field of view a hell of a lot... so... we also want it to deflate the back tires, because belt and braces... if you watch our police video shows, you will eventually find one where a loon stole a tank from an army depot and went on a rampage. you don't equip your average squad car with something to stop tanks, just because there was one. you equip the average squad car to stop the average runner. then if you get a special runner, you send the Special Weapons And Tactics team there is also a person who has a device marketed that mounts on the front bumper, tangles a rear tire, and tethers the runaway to the cop car. but for the average runner, the spike strips are effective - the runner usually gives up within a mile, and those that don't can't really go fast enough to do too much damage to the rest of the world when they finally crash. |
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