|
Post by ironhold on Jul 23, 2013 23:46:01 GMT
I'm starting this as a general thread for myths related to all things super-hero. ** Background: In the Justice League episode "Hereafter", Superman is transported to an alternate future in which a cataclysm has destroyed civilization. With the sun having turned red, Superman is now a normal human; he has only his wits, his natural athleticism, and a handful of items that were transported with him to keep himself alive until he finds a way to get back to the past. Among the items that were transported with him are a number of highway flares (two cars and part of another were caught up), a metal pole of unknown type, and a small sledge. After discovering that he is trailed by a pack of wolves, Superman ties all of the flares together in a bundle and lights them. The heat of the flares is enough to where Superman is able to use the sledge in order to hammer one end of the pole. After an evening's work (which may have involved using nearby rocks as whetstones), Superman has turned the pole into a crude sword. He then uses this sword to strike down the alpha male of the pack and skin it in order to make a crude cloak for protection against the cold. Myths:1. Can highway flares burn hot enough and long enough to heat up a metal pole to the point that it could be worked? 2. Can a random metal pole be worked using only a fire and a sledge? 3. Can said pole be worked into an actual sword? 4. If the pole can be worked into a sword, how effective a weapon would it really be? 5. Assuming any of the previous four are busted, could Superman have hypothetically used the pole itself as a weapon to defend himself? edit 6. What could cause a sun to turn from yellow to red? 7. Would a small sledge of that type have been effective as a weapon against the wolves?
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Jul 24, 2013 1:29:10 GMT
first, burning all the flares at once would not last long enough to forge a sword. he might be able to make a crude point on it but that's about it. of course, if the pole was a soft enough alloy, and he had a good anvil, he could cold forge a blade - but it might take more than a day.
|
|
|
Post by OziRiS on Jul 24, 2013 2:28:50 GMT
6. What could cause a sun to turn from yellow to red?
That's actually plausible enough, since you're talking way into the future.
Try Googling "red giant"
|
|
|
Post by Cybermortis on Jul 24, 2013 11:41:42 GMT
It is possible to 'cold forge' iron and steel in a camp fire, so 2 and 3 are plausible. It is unclear as to how long Superman took to make his blade - although the editing seems to imply it took him a night, he could have taken a day or two to make it. Cold forging seems consistent with how he made the blade, and we already know he has a camp fire as he used it to scare off the wolves just before starting work on the sword.
Supes was trapped with six cars, at least three of which appeared intact, as well as sections of the street on which he was fighting*. The pole could have come from any of these sections, but was probably mild steel of some sort - it could even have been kept behind the counter of the news stand for self defence.
(*For those wondering Superman was fighting alongside the rest of the Justice League when Toyman started firing a tacyon weapon he'd designed. The weapon appeared to disintegrate large areas of the street when it hit, but Supes - ever the hero - flew into it in an effort to protect Batman and Wonder Woman. It was assumed by everyone (but Bats) that Superman had been killed as even Toyman didn't realise his weapon was in fact shifting objects into the future.)
As to how effective such a blade might be, well a poor quality blade is better than none at all.
Shifting the sun from yellow to red is theoretically possible in this case, as it was explained this was a side effect of a weapon Randal Savage** created after Superman's 'death' that allowed him to control gravity and who's side effect was to disrupt the gravitational forces of the solar system. (Which would also explain why Earth wasn't swallowed by the Sun, as a Red giant is considerably larger than our own sun.) It certainly wasn't due to the passage of time, since he was 'only' transported some 30,000 years into the future.
(**No known connection to the host of a certain Discovery Channel show....)
|
|
|
Post by OziRiS on Jul 24, 2013 13:08:22 GMT
Shifting the sun from yellow to red is theoretically possible in this case, as it was explained this was a side effect of a weapon Randal Savage created after Superman's 'death' that allowed him to control gravity and who's side effect was to disrupt the gravitational forces of the solar system. (Which would also explain why Earth wasn't swallowed by the Sun, as a Red giant is considerably larger than our own sun.) It certainly wasn't due to the passage of time, since he was 'only' transported some 30,000 years into the future. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here... I'm hearing one of two possible scenarios: 1) The gravitational forces were altered enough that the sun turned into a red giant, but in the meantime, Earth drifted far enough away from its original orbit that it wasn't engulfed in a fiery inferno 2) The sun didn't turn into a red giant, but turned red in some other strange way that had to do with gravity being altered
|
|
|
Post by Cybermortis on Jul 24, 2013 14:15:22 GMT
Shifting the sun from yellow to red is theoretically possible in this case, as it was explained this was a side effect of a weapon Randal Savage created after Superman's 'death' that allowed him to control gravity and who's side effect was to disrupt the gravitational forces of the solar system. (Which would also explain why Earth wasn't swallowed by the Sun, as a Red giant is considerably larger than our own sun.) It certainly wasn't due to the passage of time, since he was 'only' transported some 30,000 years into the future. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here... I'm hearing one of two possible scenarios: 1) The gravitational forces were altered enough that the sun turned into a red giant, but in the meantime, Earth drifted far enough away from its original orbit that it wasn't engulfed in a fiery inferno 2) The sun didn't turn into a red giant, but turned red in some other strange way that had to do with gravity being altered 1; Yes, if the gravitational forces in the solar system were altered then Earth might have slipped into a much wider and further orbit. Of course this would not happen instantly and the wide orbit would probably need to be about the same distance as Neptune in order for the red sun to appear the same size in the sky as the yellow sun. 2; This would be the second, and probably more 'logical' explanation. Best guess would be that the gravitational forces ripped out a large chunk of the sun, creating a red dwarf star.
|
|
|
Post by OziRiS on Jul 24, 2013 15:53:08 GMT
I see a couple of problems in your red dwarf scenario.
1. Ripping out a large chunk of the sun would most likely cause an energy release that would destroy most of the planets in the inner solar system.
2. If that by some miracle doesn't happen, then in order for Earth to remain habitable, it would have to get closer to the newly created red dwarf sun, since it produces less energy (the color of any star is determined by its surface temperature - red means a lower temperature due to less energy production). That in itself creates a problem, since a red dwarf, as the name implies, has much less mass than 'the old sun', which would more likely lead to the planets drifting away from it.
3. Let's say that for some reason they don't drift away. They're pulled closer. Now you have the problem of the gravity of each planet acting upon the other planets, since they're huddled closer together. That would most likely lead to collisions, destroying Earth.
That being said, there may also be problems with the red giant scenario, since I can gather from what you're saying that the sun appears to look the same size in the sky in this comic as it's always done. If that's the case then yes, Earth would probably have to be the same distance from the sun as Neptune. That would then once again mean that life cannot be sustained on Earth, since it'll be too cold out there. Yes, the sun is bigger, but it also has a lower surface temperature (which is why it's red), meaning that you'd actually have to be closer to the surface - making it appear much bigger in the sky - in order to have enough heat to sustain life.
So, where does that leave us? Well, the plausible scenario would then be that nothing has in fact happened to the sun. What's causing it to appear red might be something in Earth's atmosphere instead...?
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Dec 6, 2017 20:09:49 GMT
Since we're talking about this elsewhere -
One of the biggest all-time Spider-Man stories from the comics is the death of Gwen Stacy.
In the comics, one of Spider-Man's villains figures out his secret identity. He responds by kidnapping Gwen, who at the time is Spider-Man's girlfriend, and using her as bait to draw him out.
The ultimate battle takes place over a bridge, during which Gwen is thrown off. Spider-Man fires his web-shooter, using his web to grab on to her and stop her fall.
Thing is, it's basically a single cable that latches on to her at a single point and brings her to an immediate halt. The single point of contact coupled with the dead stop results in whiplash so severe it breaks her neck.
Could that happen under the circumstances?
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 6, 2017 21:34:33 GMT
Since we're talking about this elsewhere - One of the biggest all-time Spider-Man stories from the comics is the death of Gwen Stacy. In the comics, one of Spider-Man's villains figures out his secret identity. He responds by kidnapping Gwen, who at the time is Spider-Man's girlfriend, and using her as bait to draw him out. The ultimate battle takes place over a bridge, during which Gwen is thrown off. Spider-Man fires his web-shooter, using his web to grab on to her and stop her fall. Thing is, it's basically a single cable that latches on to her at a single point and brings her to an immediate halt. The single point of contact coupled with the dead stop results in whiplash so severe it breaks her neck. Could that happen under the circumstances? given that Gwen was falling face up, the fact that many people have died from basal skull fracture, including Dale Earnhardt, is not a positive confirmation. though my every calculation says that depending on the elasticity of the webbing, it is completely plausible. Petzl has an essay about falling forces that will have some relevance, being recreational climbers use a point in front of the body as their attachment point. www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Fall-factor-and-impact-force---theory
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Dec 7, 2017 8:48:44 GMT
Sand.
Not that long ago in UK, there was a storm that had drawn up a lot of Saharan sand that moved over the UK. It produced a red cast to the sun.. I have memories that say this isnt the first time this has happened in my own living memories... And there is a lot of favourable folk lore that says a Red Sun, or even Blood Moon, happens quite frequently throughout history. So all you need is to be a few thousand mile from a desert... In the case of USA, that would be a dry lake bed. California has a couple then?. And now all you need is a storm, and that happens now and again doesnt it?.
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Dec 7, 2017 8:57:52 GMT
It is possible to 'cold forge' iron and steel in a camp fire, so 2 and 3 are plausible. Starting there.... Go back to the iron age, and a lot of iron was made and crudely formed, with no more than "camp fires", although it took someone with a bag of air between two paddles and a "willing" helper to pump them to create a blast forge that could make steel. Workable blade?. Erm.. well.. "Big knife" maybe, but a sword of any length, possibly not. And that then depends on the steel you start with. If you have high carbon steel as the pole you start with, your not getting far with getting it to glow red or orange hot on a camp fire. Think of cooking pans, why dont they get to glow red hot?. It takes time to get that heat, or you need to blow the flames to get a hotter heat. Could he have just used the pole as a weapon?. I am thinking that maybe that would have been a better bet. Spend all nigh hammering at a blade to get it right, your arms get tired, [experience, one of my Relatives used to be a blacksmith working on reproduction weapons] and then you spend the fight not having the full use of them, or just poke the "git" with a sharpened pole as a spear?. Spears also have the tendency to keep your opponent away from hand weapons range.
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Dec 7, 2017 9:16:15 GMT
I see a couple of problems in your red dwarf scenario. 1. Ripping out a large chunk of the sun would most likely cause an energy release that would destroy most of the planets in the inner solar system. 2. If that by some miracle doesn't happen, then in order for Earth to remain habitable, it would have to get closer to the newly created red dwarf sun, since it produces less energy (the color of any star is determined by its surface temperature - red means a lower temperature due to less energy production). That in itself creates a problem, since a red dwarf, as the name implies, has much less mass than 'the old sun', which would more likely lead to the planets drifting away from it. 3. Let's say that for some reason they don't drift away. They're pulled closer. Now you have the problem of the gravity of each planet acting upon the other planets, since they're huddled closer together. That would most likely lead to collisions, destroying Earth. That being said, there may also be problems with the red giant scenario, since I can gather from what you're saying that the sun appears to look the same size in the sky in this comic as it's always done. If that's the case then yes, Earth would probably have to be the same distance from the sun as Neptune. That would then once again mean that life cannot be sustained on Earth, since it'll be too cold out there. Yes, the sun is bigger, but it also has a lower surface temperature (which is why it's red), meaning that you'd actually have to be closer to the surface - making it appear much bigger in the sky - in order to have enough heat to sustain life. So, where does that leave us? Well, the plausible scenario would then be that nothing has in fact happened to the sun. What's causing it to appear red might be something in Earth's atmosphere instead...? From a little of what I know about astrology and the like. The simplest way to get a red dwarf is to poke Iron into the sun. There is something about the makeup of all stars that produce certain elements starting from hydrogen down, that when they start to get to the stage of creating Iron, Fe, they go sort of super massive then collapse in on themselves, because that kind of element is toxic to a star. Its not the only one, its just the first in the line that has that kind of makeup, and because of the structure of that element being toxic, no star has got as far as the next one in the line that may or may not be toxic, ... At this point, I am reaching the limits of my current understanding, but, what I know there came from Brian Cox and his like discussing the end of the solar system on some discovery channel show in how the universe works. As for the sun as red dwarf having less mass, yes, but slowly... The sun would use up all its fuel creating heat, and yes there is some drift of particles out into space, but, going red dwarf is the transmutation of Fuel to other elements that dont burn, so, at that stage, it has almost the same mass as it would have had before, but a lot denser, because its now colder, its smaller, but denser, and you know what way that is going... yeah, black hole time. You suggest ripping out a lump of sun. Yes now there is your problem... where are you going to put it?. The sun is a ball because of gravity. If you pull part of it away, the gravity of that part will immediately create another ball, And the remainder will also create a ball, you now have twin suns. Gravity, to take a chunk of the sun "Outside" the boundaries of the whole solar system, you have to have enough force to pull against the whole weight of the whole of the solar system. Think of the energy needed to escape the pull of earth's gravity. Times that by the weight of the whole solar system, and unless you have the escape speed that Voyager One had, many thousands of miles per hour, you end up in orbit around Mars?. Or just Twin suns at the centre of the solar system... That will pull on each other, and eventually collide, of you dont get the maths right, and get the right speed of orbit there. Getting all that lot right, and maybe even making part of the sun disappear, you would have had to know more than me, or many of us, and maybe have studied under some of the greatest Astro- Physicists, for quite a while... Its not exactly something you can understand just by looking it up in cyberspace. I know, I am still trying....
|
|
|
Post by Cybermortis on Dec 7, 2017 17:30:03 GMT
It is possible to 'cold forge' iron and steel in a camp fire, so 2 and 3 are plausible. Starting there.... Go back to the iron age, and a lot of iron was made and crudely formed, with no more than "camp fires", although it took someone with a bag of air between two paddles and a "willing" helper to pump them to create a blast forge that could make steel. Workable blade?. Erm.. well.. "Big knife" maybe, but a sword of any length, possibly not. And that then depends on the steel you start with. If you have high carbon steel as the pole you start with, your not getting far with getting it to glow red or orange hot on a camp fire. Think of cooking pans, why dont they get to glow red hot?. It takes time to get that heat, or you need to blow the flames to get a hotter heat. Could he have just used the pole as a weapon?. I am thinking that maybe that would have been a better bet. Spend all nigh hammering at a blade to get it right, your arms get tired, [experience, one of my Relatives used to be a blacksmith working on reproduction weapons] and then you spend the fight not having the full use of them, or just poke the "git" with a sharpened pole as a spear?. Spears also have the tendency to keep your opponent away from hand weapons range. By the iron age they had smelters and forges; A prerequisite for extracting iron from iron ore after all. The low quality iron was simply down to having to find the best ores from which to work and how to work the iron. In terms of 'crudely made' this is probably misleading. One of the reasons for switching to iron in the early days wasn't because it was 'better' than bronze, in fact bronze weapons in the early to mid iron age were probably equal in terms of strength and durability to the best iron weapons around. However one area in which iron was vastly superior to bronze was in availability and therefore cost. So iron weapons allowed for 'mass production' of weapons, making them more affordable to more people. The old Bronze swords were probably too expensive for all by the most wealthy, or their retainers, and as such became status symbols and heavily ornamented as a result. Iron blades on the other hand became cheap enough for those lower down the social order to consider buying them. So while still status symbols, most blades would be 'crude' and plain with decoration working to show how far up the social order the owner actually was. A modern example of this type of progression can be seen with Cell Phones. Initially these were for the wealthy alone, and well out of the price range the average person. They were also large, crude and prone to not working very well - so while useful up to a point mainly served as a symbol of an individuals wealth. As time went on and the technology progressed we see cell phones become more refined, more reliable and above all cheap enough for most people to own at least a basic model. They can and are still used as status symbols, but at the highest levels this is less about capabilities and more about decoration; The most expensive cell phones are basically higher end phones with jewel covered cases. (Indeed, some of the most expensive cell phones actually have LESS capabilities than a mid range iPhone). I said that cold forging iron or steel is quite possible not due to early iron age blades, but a much more recent myth; Ned Kelly. Ned Kelly and his gang created suits of iron armor in the late 1800's in Australia (there is, I think, a thread on this myth). There were a couple of myths as to how they made their armor, with modern experimentation and recreations showing that the armor, which was known to be made from existing iron tools, had almost certainly been 'cold forged' over a camp fire. The iron in this case was a lot thicker and heavier than any street pole or iron rebar. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that cold forging a blade from such a thing is possible.
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 7, 2017 17:36:27 GMT
Starting there.... Go back to the iron age, and a lot of iron was made and crudely formed, with no more than "camp fires", although it took someone with a bag of air between two paddles and a "willing" helper to pump them to create a blast forge that could make steel. Workable blade?. Erm.. well.. "Big knife" maybe, but a sword of any length, possibly not. And that then depends on the steel you start with. If you have high carbon steel as the pole you start with, your not getting far with getting it to glow red or orange hot on a camp fire. Think of cooking pans, why dont they get to glow red hot?. It takes time to get that heat, or you need to blow the flames to get a hotter heat. Could he have just used the pole as a weapon?. I am thinking that maybe that would have been a better bet. Spend all nigh hammering at a blade to get it right, your arms get tired, [experience, one of my Relatives used to be a blacksmith working on reproduction weapons] and then you spend the fight not having the full use of them, or just poke the "git" with a sharpened pole as a spear?. Spears also have the tendency to keep your opponent away from hand weapons range. By the iron age they had smelters and forges; A prerequisite for extracting iron from iron ore after all. The low quality iron was simply down to having to find the best ores from which to work and how to work the iron. In terms of 'crudely made' this is probably misleading. One of the reasons for switching to iron in the early days wasn't because it was 'better' than bronze, in fact bronze weapons in the early to mid iron age were probably equal in terms of strength and durability to the best iron weapons around. However one area in which iron was vastly superior to bronze was in availability and therefore cost. So iron weapons allowed for 'mass production' of weapons, making them more affordable to more people. The old Bronze swords were probably too expensive for all by the most wealthy, or their retainers, and as such became status symbols and heavily ornamented as a result. Iron blades on the other hand became cheap enough for those lower down the social order to consider buying them. So while still status symbols, most blades would be 'crude' and plain with decoration working to show how far up the social order the owner actually was. A modern example of this type of progression can be seen with Cell Phones. Initially these were for the wealthy alone, and well out of the price range the average person. They were also large, crude and prone to not working very well - so while useful up to a point mainly served as a symbol of an individuals wealth. As time went on and the technology progressed we see cell phones become more refined, more reliable and above all cheap enough for most people to own at least a basic model. They can and are still used as status symbols, but at the highest levels this is less about capabilities and more about decoration; The most expensive cell phones are basically higher end phones with jewel covered cases. (Indeed, some of the most expensive cell phones actually have LESS capabilities than a mid range iPhone). I said that cold forging iron or steel is quite possible not due to early iron age blades, but a much more recent myth; Ned Kelly. Ned Kelly and his gang created suits of iron armor in the late 1800's in Australia (there is, I think, a thread on this myth). There were a couple of myths as to how they made their armor, with modern experimentation and recreations showing that the armor, which was known to be made from existing iron tools, had almost certainly been 'cold forged' over a camp fire. The iron in this case was a lot thicker and heavier than any street pole or iron rebar. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that cold forging a blade from such a thing is possible. and keep in mind that reshaping an existing iron or steel item is a heck of a lot easier than making steel from scratch.
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on Dec 8, 2017 7:52:33 GMT
By the iron age they had smelters and forges; A prerequisite for extracting iron from iron ore after all. The low quality iron was simply down to having to find the best ores from which to work and how to work the iron. In terms of 'crudely made' this is probably misleading. One of the reasons for switching to iron in the early days wasn't because it was 'better' than bronze, in fact bronze weapons in the early to mid iron age were probably equal in terms of strength and durability to the best iron weapons around. However one area in which iron was vastly superior to bronze was in availability and therefore cost. So iron weapons allowed for 'mass production' of weapons, making them more affordable to more people. The old Bronze swords were probably too expensive for all by the most wealthy, or their retainers, and as such became status symbols and heavily ornamented as a result. Iron blades on the other hand became cheap enough for those lower down the social order to consider buying them. So while still status symbols, most blades would be 'crude' and plain with decoration working to show how far up the social order the owner actually was. A modern example of this type of progression can be seen with Cell Phones. Initially these were for the wealthy alone, and well out of the price range the average person. They were also large, crude and prone to not working very well - so while useful up to a point mainly served as a symbol of an individuals wealth. As time went on and the technology progressed we see cell phones become more refined, more reliable and above all cheap enough for most people to own at least a basic model. They can and are still used as status symbols, but at the highest levels this is less about capabilities and more about decoration; The most expensive cell phones are basically higher end phones with jewel covered cases. (Indeed, some of the most expensive cell phones actually have LESS capabilities than a mid range iPhone). I said that cold forging iron or steel is quite possible not due to early iron age blades, but a much more recent myth; Ned Kelly. Ned Kelly and his gang created suits of iron armor in the late 1800's in Australia (there is, I think, a thread on this myth). There were a couple of myths as to how they made their armor, with modern experimentation and recreations showing that the armor, which was known to be made from existing iron tools, had almost certainly been 'cold forged' over a camp fire. The iron in this case was a lot thicker and heavier than any street pole or iron rebar. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that cold forging a blade from such a thing is possible. and keep in mind that reshaping an existing iron or steel item is a heck of a lot easier than making steel from scratch. There is a Disco series called "Forged in Fire" that covers all the bases of forging blades from other steel objects, and it deals with a lot of the problems in depth as the series continues. Getting the heat right... its sort of important. Yes you can "Cold forge" over medium heats, but, if you are sourcing from more than one object, effectively "welding" one piece to another, when you come to draw out the blade, you face the possibility of de-lamination, splitting, and terminal blade fail. This is why I say you may get a big knife, but not a sword... And you have no control of the carbon in that blade. If the initial steel is low carbon, its low carbon, you cant work it to high carbon, if its poor quality rebar, it stays poor quality rebar, but doesnt get covered in concrete so will rust away quite happily, and a whole host of other problems. Then there is tempering. If you cold forge a blade, you get no tempering at all, it will remain soft steel, almost pliable, and the chances of getting an edge on it are poor, because you need that case hardening to carry an edge to be anything near sharp. "Anyone" can be a blacksmith.... its not that hard if you are happy with swinging big lumps of iron about at red hot temps to white hot through orange and smashing them with lumps of cold iron or steel hammers. But getting to be a blade smith.... there is a lot to learn. Part of that is learning how to keep some strength in a blade that wont snap at its first impact. So can you cold forge a steel bar into a blade shape?. or what they would call a "blank"?.. Yes quite happily. Can you make a blade that will work?. Plausible. Can a raw greenhorn rookie do that?. Plausible with a little tuition. Can you extend that blade length to something of sword length?. plausible but doubtful. Can you make a good blade that is usable in an extended "fight" that wont snap and still be in the same shape afterwards and just as sharp?. We have to call busted as soon as we talk to a proper blacksmith, unless the episode described has detail missing that the forging of that blade involved white hot tempering into a bath of oil and some serious shaping to taper the blade along its length and a whole lot more that is the art of Swordsmith and not just blacksmithing. Its the thing, if you can drive, pretty much any of you can quite plausibly move any of the trucks I have drove down a straight road with no problems at all. As long as its hooked up and ready to roll, if you have to back under the trailer to start with, I see problems, unless you already know which suzie goes where. Experience, you will get better as you move along there. But the first corner, will you approach it in the way a qualified truck driver will?. Making a good blade from a piece of steel stock is quite plausible, if all the ducks line up nicely for you, and you manage to get the right heat and the right hammering.... Yes you can cold forge any steel, and indeed, they do cold press steel under manythousandton presses to make car panels, but they are poor quality, have little rigidity on their own, and rust almost immediately if not painted. If you want something sword shaped that looks menacing, you have it in spades. If you want something that wont snap on the first enthusiastic parry leaving you with the handle and a sort of "Ohcr@p" look on your face, you need the services of a swordsmith. Who will use a forge. Because thats what you need to create a good blade. The days of Iron age started with crude iron, and progressed through forge technology, because the learnt as they went along. You cannot pass that knowledge to a greenhorn through osmosis, it has to be learnt, and unless the character involved knows all this already, there is little chance he will get everything right. So attacking a wolf with a crudely forged sword "blank"?. Plausible. However, if you dont get the death strike first time, your in trouble....?...
|
|
|
Post by Cybermortis on Dec 8, 2017 10:51:33 GMT
It's actually not implausible that Superman knows about cold forging, not because he's Superman but because he's Clark Kent; Kansas Farm boy. We also know something about his background within the series, as we saw bits of it in the Animated Superman series that preceded Justice League.
We know his powers didn't start kicking in until he was in his early to mid teens, as opposed to his live action appearances all of which either show or imply his powers kicked in either as a baby or when he was around five. We also know that the farming equipment used on the Kent farm was not the best and brightest, but old and worn - one aspect of the Kent farm that seems to be fairly consistent in all versions. We also know that in all versions he helped around the farm, and that this included maintaining the machinery.
In this light it is not unreasonable to say that this specific version of Clark Kent could well have some practical knowledge and experience of cold forging, having used it to help repair the farms machinery, fencing and gates. It is even quite possible that he's actually made a blade this way before from scrap metal as a kid as another fairly consistent aspect of the Kent's has been reusing and recycling items on the farm to save money. Although knives are fairly cheap, they are cheaper still if you can make your own from scrap. And this could well be something Pa Kent knew how to do, or Clark could have picked up from other families in the area. Sure, its not going to be the best quality knife around. But for general farm work it might not need to be, and if it breaks big deal.
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2017 15:00:00 GMT
don't forget, I made a good part of my kit, and I have known swordsmiths of various skill levels. I know the difference between "campfire" work, and cold work, and hot work. I know the principles of annealing and tempering and work hardening. reshaping a bar into a blade is plausible. having the blade be strong enough to survive missing a wolf is also plausible.
|
|
|
Post by ironhold on Dec 8, 2017 16:25:32 GMT
the fact that many people have died from basal skull fracture, That was the movie; in the comics, the whiplash from the sudden deceleration broke her neck. It's how it happened in the comics I'm looking at.
|
|
|
Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2017 17:23:34 GMT
the fact that many people have died from basal skull fracture, That was the movie; in the comics, the whiplash from the sudden deceleration broke her neck. It's how it happened in the comics I'm looking at. as I recall, she was falling face up in the comic, as well. of course, if I am wrong, the fact that basal skull fracture is a thing confirms it. otherwise, the most recent carp-to-the-face episode supports the theory.
|
|
|
Post by Cybermortis on Dec 8, 2017 17:41:54 GMT
That was the movie; in the comics, the whiplash from the sudden deceleration broke her neck. It's how it happened in the comics I'm looking at. as I recall, she was falling face up in the comic, as well. of course, if I am wrong, the fact that basal skull fracture is a thing confirms it. otherwise, the most recent carp-to-the-face episode supports the theory. In the comic Gwen was falling headfirst facing the bridge. You can check the death of Gwen Stacy entry on Wilkipedia, which includes a pannel of the event. I remember this story rather well; I used to have the Spider-Man annual that included this story. It was in fact not just the first comic I can remember reading, but the first thing I can recall reading.
|
|