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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Nov 8, 2013 12:04:19 GMT
Ok this thread is inspired by a comments made by lightworks & wvengineer in the Hobbies section/Star Trek discussion thread. I have been watching Enterprise. Once question that Keeps popping up for me is "Have they completely forgotten the concept of doing data backups?" They are constantly in a crisis because some important bit of data got deleted or corrupted. You would think that a simple backup of critical data stored in a place disconnected from the rest of the ship.s network would do wonders. Especially critical data like reactor or other system control programs. I had not noticed that, but yes, that is definitely a true thing. perhaps we should consider a "how stupid can you be - TV and movie edition" thread in the water cooler for things like that. I'm going through Voyager, right now. haven't noticed any glaring cases of serial stupidity, other than the whole seatbelt thing. So to start the thread off my How Stupid is about the Stormtroopers in Star Wars Episode V: A New Hope (actually it’s relevant for all the Stormtroopers in the Star Wars movies). My gripe is if these are the meant to be the Empire's trained military troops, the Galaxy’s most fearsome fighting force. Then why is it they can’t even hit the broad side of a barn let alone the enemy/rebels!?!
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Post by kharnynb on Nov 8, 2013 12:09:04 GMT
Why do no electrical systems on the enterprise have fuses?
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 8, 2013 13:38:02 GMT
*Mod hat on*
Moved this to the Hobbies Board, and added 'Nit Picking' to the title. This makes it less likely that this thread will get lost. CM
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Post by ironhold on Nov 8, 2013 14:14:50 GMT
My gripe is if these are the meant to be the Empire's trained military troops, the Galaxy’s most fearsome fighting force. Then why is it they can’t even hit the broad side of a barn let alone the enemy/rebels!?! Various spin-off items have tried to explain this over the years. Among the more plausible explanations: *One of the companies that was contracted to produce blasters for the Empire shipped their lot with a defective focusing crystal; the crystals were flawed to such an extent that even a trained sniper was supposed to be unable to shoot the same mark twice in a row. Crystals were cheap enough and common enough to where individual troopers could make the fix in the field, but apparently the Empire was terrible about getting the word out to the soldiers. *The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision, making it difficult for them to track moving targets.
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Post by the light works on Nov 8, 2013 15:51:07 GMT
My gripe is if these are the meant to be the Empire's trained military troops, the Galaxy’s most fearsome fighting force. Then why is it they can’t even hit the broad side of a barn let alone the enemy/rebels!?! Various spin-off items have tried to explain this over the years. Among the more plausible explanations: *One of the companies that was contracted to produce blasters for the Empire shipped their lot with a defective focusing crystal; the crystals were flawed to such an extent that even a trained sniper was supposed to be unable to shoot the same mark twice in a row. Crystals were cheap enough and common enough to where individual troopers could make the fix in the field, but apparently the Empire was terrible about getting the word out to the soldiers. *The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision, making it difficult for them to track moving targets. alsoo keep in mind the storm troopers were originally perfectly trained clones of hand selected genetic stock. by the time of episode IV, high demand and lack of resources had forced the empire to essentially reduce them to laser cannon fodder standards. when you add it to the fact that nearly all of our heroes have at least a little bit of help from the Force; it combines to place the stormtroopers at a natural disadvantage. look up the number of rounds fired compared to the number of kills in OUR recent wars... and you will see that stormtroopers were actually about average for infantry.
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Post by the light works on Nov 8, 2013 15:56:46 GMT
After Earth (the latest Will/Jaden Smith vehicle:
the ships can travel instantaneously from point to point by wormhole, so why are they grinding along in real space in a nominally hazardous area?
they have a genetically engineered predator who can only sense them by smell. why have they not developed a chemical countermeasure? why do they hot have anything resembling a ranged weapon?
why do the survival suits not have gloves or head protection?
Why did Jaden, who excelled in the classroom portion of his training, not know what it meant when the suit turned black?
if the inhalers were stored darned near everywhere on the ship, why did he start out not carrying any extras in case something went wrong?
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 8, 2013 16:01:43 GMT
Nope.
They were clones of Jango Fett, a Mandalorian.
Post Revenge of the Sith some clones started to rebel against the empire, and cloning was outlawed (of course that was probably also to stop someone from raising their own clone army).
By the time of Star Wars Storm Troopers were recruited from the Empires general (human) populations, not cloned.
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Post by the light works on Nov 8, 2013 16:03:48 GMT
Nope. They were clones of Jango Fett, a Mandalorian. Post Revenge of the Sith some clones started to rebel against the empire, and cloning was outlawed (of course that was probably also to stop someone from raising their own clone army). By the time of Star Wars Storm Troopers were recruited from the Empires general (human) populations, not cloned. in defense of my lack of attention to the details of WHY they weren't cloning the troopers; that does count as lack of resources.
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 8, 2013 16:10:22 GMT
Well, not really - but then you don't really need to defend yourself as the details were until fairly recently not known.
The fact that clones were banned after the clone wars was sort of known around the time of empire, but not confirmed until the expanded universe books came out when it is a plot point that Grand Admiral Thrawn starts to use them again. At this time of course we knew that there had been a major conflict called 'The Clone Wars', but there was no information about this and it was assumed that the clones had been the aggressors. Even after Revenge of the Sith it was not clear why the Empire suddenly decided to ban clones, until expanded universe books came out set in the gap between the prequels and original films. These revealed that the clones, or some of them, rebelled and their loyalty was therefore questionable.
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Post by the light works on Nov 8, 2013 16:52:39 GMT
Well, not really - but then you don't really need to defend yourself as the details were until fairly recently not known. The fact that clones were banned after the clone wars was sort of known around the time of empire, but not confirmed until the expanded universe books came out when it is a plot point that Grand Admiral Thrawn starts to use them again. At this time of course we knew that there had been a major conflict called 'The Clone Wars', but there was no information about this and it was assumed that the clones had been the aggressors. Even after Revenge of the Sith it was not clear why the Empire suddenly decided to ban clones, until expanded universe books came out set in the gap between the prequels and original films. These revealed that the clones, or some of them, rebelled and their loyalty was therefore questionable. right. until episode II, I thought the clone wars had been BEFORE the empire, not the start of the empire.
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Post by wvengineer on Nov 9, 2013 20:08:58 GMT
Why do no electrical systems on the enterprise have fuses? If that is not bad enough, why are they constantly running high power feeds though their control panels in such a way that the slightest bump causes a major arc flash explosion? Even today there are way better designs. You would think that in the middle of the process of building such a complex and expensive thing like and interstellar space ship, some part of the design review would include a hazards analysis. Skyfall: **Warning: Spoilers** When the capture the big bad guy and take him to MI:6 for interrogation, they bring his laptop computer. They then plug that laptop in to the network that controls everything in the complex, including the doors. Basic protocol when dealing with hazardous data is to connect it to dedicated hardware that has NO connection to rest of the network to prevent any spread of infection. IN most cases, these requirements go as far as minimum physical separation distances of equipment and network lines or conduit. Many virus scanner companies will have the contaminated computers physically fenced off from the rest of the office. Why are the doors even connected to the network? Why are maintenance access grates using electric motors? A simple mechanical latch would work just as well and be way cheaper. Have they never heard of padlocks?
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Post by ironhold on Nov 9, 2013 20:30:55 GMT
Escape Plan (spoilers): Why are oil drums just sitting around in what is supposed to be a high-security prison?
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Post by User Unavailable on Nov 9, 2013 21:08:51 GMT
The old tv series Combat!
SGT Saunders carries a Thompson SMG while wearing a simple pistol belt that carries only, his 1911 pistol and holster, magazine pouch for the pistol, canteen and first aid pouch. No pouches of any kind for the Thompson magazines. Which he pulls out of the inside of his always partially unzipped M1941 Field Jacket, the pistol belt around his waist kept the magazine(s) from falling out of the jacket. Though their is hardly enough room to carry a combat load of 6 spare magazines inside the jacket and he makes several magazine changes during the firefights they have, always pulling a magazine from the inside left side of his jacket.
Every time they are in a rear area and SGT Saunders needs to go resupply his ammo, he only picks up one magazine and sticks it inside his jacket.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Nov 9, 2013 22:39:37 GMT
*The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision, making it difficult for them to track moving targets. I'm calling Confirmed on that one -- remember the Stormtrooper who conked himself on the head walking through a door?
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Post by the light works on Nov 10, 2013 0:34:42 GMT
The old tv series Combat! SGT Saunders carries a Thompson SMG while wearing a simple pistol belt that carries only, his 1911 pistol and holster, magazine pouch for the pistol, canteen and first aid pouch. No pouches of any kind for the Thompson magazines. Which he pulls out of the inside of his always partially unzipped M1941 Field Jacket, the pistol belt around his waist kept the magazine(s) from falling out of the jacket. Though their is hardly enough room to carry a combat load of 6 spare magazines inside the jacket and he makes several magazine changes during the firefights they have, always pulling a magazine from the inside left side of his jacket. Every time they are in a rear area and SGT Saunders needs to go resupply his ammo, he only picks up one magazine and sticks it inside his jacket. he got the jacket from Doctor Who.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Nov 10, 2013 1:54:44 GMT
Various spin-off items have tried to explain this over the years. Among the more plausible explanations: *One of the companies that was contracted to produce blasters for the Empire shipped their lot with a defective focusing crystal; the crystals were flawed to such an extent that even a trained sniper was supposed to be unable to shoot the same mark twice in a row. Crystals were cheap enough and common enough to where individual troopers could make the fix in the field, but apparently the Empire was terrible about getting the word out to the soldiers. *The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision, making it difficult for them to track moving targets. also keep in mind the storm troopers were originally perfectly trained clones of hand selected genetic stock. by the time of episode IV, high demand and lack of resources had forced the empire to essentially reduce them to laser cannon fodder standards. when you add it to the fact that nearly all of our heroes have at least a little bit of help from the Force; it combines to place the stormtroopers at a natural disadvantage. look up the number of rounds fired compared to the number of kills in OUR recent wars... and you will see that stormtroopers were actually about average for infantry. Ye Gods I've opened one Hades of a can of worms here! Back to the discussion - To argue the points made: The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision.The helmets that the Stormtroopers wear have built in sensors that are meant to enhance not restrict their field of vision. The storm troopers were originally perfectly trained clones of hand selected genetic stock. by the time of episode IV, high demand and lack of resources had forced the empire to essentially reduce them to laser cannon fodder standards.My main point/question still remains why can't they hit their targets? They're meant to have undergone intensive 'modern' ie: space worthy advanced tech combat training so they can do their job under fire/pressure. Yes I know that people don't hit the target 100% of the time, but this lot can't even seem to hit anything even 5% of the time let alone an enemy fighter! I'm no marks man but when I go out & play paint ball (this happens once a year with my friends from interstate) out of 10 shots I fire I usually score 4 - 5 hits at least! So if a (for want of a better term) if a No0b lacking in military training I can at least hit their target on average 50% of the time why can't the supposedly well trained stormtroopers do the same? WTF is going on?!?
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Post by the light works on Nov 10, 2013 2:10:44 GMT
also keep in mind the storm troopers were originally perfectly trained clones of hand selected genetic stock. by the time of episode IV, high demand and lack of resources had forced the empire to essentially reduce them to laser cannon fodder standards. when you add it to the fact that nearly all of our heroes have at least a little bit of help from the Force; it combines to place the stormtroopers at a natural disadvantage. look up the number of rounds fired compared to the number of kills in OUR recent wars... and you will see that stormtroopers were actually about average for infantry. Ye Gods I've opened one Hades of a can of worms here! Back to the discussion - To argue the points made: The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision.The helmets that the Stormtroopers wear have built in sensors that are meant to enhance not restrict their field of vision. The storm troopers were originally perfectly trained clones of hand selected genetic stock. by the time of episode IV, high demand and lack of resources had forced the empire to essentially reduce them to laser cannon fodder standards.My main point/question still remains why can't they hit their targets? They're meant to have undergone intensive 'modern' ie: space worthy advanced tech combat training so they can do their job under fire/pressure. Yes I know that people don't hit the target 100% of the time, but this lot can't even seem to hit anything even 5% of the time let alone an enemy fighter! I'm no marks man but when I go out & play paint ball (this happens once a year with my friends from interstate) out of 10 shots I fire I usually score 4 - 5 hits at least! So if a (for want of a better term) if a No0b lacking in military training I can at least hit their target on average 50% of the time why can't the supposedly well trained stormtroopers do the same? WTF is going on?!? and when I was playing - back in the dark ages - I could expect to hit 1 in 3 with my first pistol. when I traded it in for a short barrelled automatic, my accuracy went to heck in a handbasket. particularly in rapid fire. the common joke was that the first round would hit the paper, the second would hit the backstop, and everything else would hit the zip code. to rephrase what has been said before - in episode II, the clone troopers were the special forces of the empire. by episode IV, they were infantry. It could be argued that Obi Wan was remembering the clone troopers, but it can also be said that when they were hitting precise points, they were undoubtedly shooting from ambush, while in the rest of the movie, they were usually at a disadvantage in a highly fluid and hostile environment - and relying on mass fire tactics.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Nov 10, 2013 2:16:47 GMT
Ye Gods I've opened one Hades of a can of worms here! Back to the discussion - To argue the points made: The helmets that the Stormtroopers wore restricted their field of vision.The helmets that the Stormtroopers wear have built in sensors that are meant to enhance not restrict their field of vision. The storm troopers were originally perfectly trained clones of hand selected genetic stock. by the time of episode IV, high demand and lack of resources had forced the empire to essentially reduce them to laser cannon fodder standards.My main point/question still remains why can't they hit their targets? They're meant to have undergone intensive 'modern' ie: space worthy advanced tech combat training so they can do their job under fire/pressure. Yes I know that people don't hit the target 100% of the time, but this lot can't even seem to hit anything even 5% of the time let alone an enemy fighter! I'm no marks man but when I go out & play paint ball (this happens once a year with my friends from interstate) out of 10 shots I fire I usually score 4 - 5 hits at least! So if a (for want of a better term) if a No0b lacking in military training I can at least hit their target on average 50% of the time why can't the supposedly well trained stormtroopers do the same? WTF is going on?!? and when I was playing - back in the dark ages - I could expect to hit 1 in 3 with my first pistol. when I traded it in for a short barrelled automatic, my accuracy went to heck in a hand basket. particularly in rapid fire. the common joke was that the first round would hit the paper, the second would hit the backstop, and everything else would hit the zip code. to rephrase what has been said before - in episode II, the clone troopers were the special forces of the empire. by episode IV, they were infantry. It could be argued that Obi Wan was remembering the clone troopers, but it can also be said that when they were hitting precise points, they were undoubtedly shooting from ambush, while in the rest of the movie, they were usually at a disadvantage in a highly fluid and hostile environment - and relying on mass fire tactics. Yah but with that many bullets/laser blasts flying about the place the Law of Averages says that they should at least be able to hit something/someone - even if it's their own foot, but they can't even seem to manage that!
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Post by the light works on Nov 10, 2013 2:21:34 GMT
and when I was playing - back in the dark ages - I could expect to hit 1 in 3 with my first pistol. when I traded it in for a short barrelled automatic, my accuracy went to heck in a hand basket. particularly in rapid fire. the common joke was that the first round would hit the paper, the second would hit the backstop, and everything else would hit the zip code. to rephrase what has been said before - in episode II, the clone troopers were the special forces of the empire. by episode IV, they were infantry. It could be argued that Obi Wan was remembering the clone troopers, but it can also be said that when they were hitting precise points, they were undoubtedly shooting from ambush, while in the rest of the movie, they were usually at a disadvantage in a highly fluid and hostile environment - and relying on mass fire tactics. Yah but with that many bullets/laser blasts flying about the place the Law of Averages says that they should at least be able to hit something/someone - even if it's their own foot, but they can't even seem to manage that! I had a day I dumped 48 rounds in 2 hours and didn't hit anything but scenery. the real question is how Han and Luke can be so accurate without ever aiming.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Nov 10, 2013 2:28:58 GMT
Yah but with that many bullets/laser blasts flying about the place the Law of Averages says that they should at least be able to hit something/someone - even if it's their own foot, but they can't even seem to manage that! I had a day I dumped 48 rounds in 2 hours and didn't hit anything but scenery. the real question is how Han and Luke can be so accurate without ever aiming. That was going to be my second gripe about the film once the inaccuracy of the stormtroopers had been dealt with. (one debate at a time) Though I suspect that some people will no doubt say something corny like ‘the Force was with them’ as a blanket cover all for anything that the ‘hero’s’ do/pull off that is seemingly impossible/miraculous. & on that point how can most ‘hero’s’ in films be so darn accurate without ever aiming?
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