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Post by maxman on Mar 13, 2014 8:40:30 GMT
Dare I mention Dallas international airport?... If I remember correctly it was a HUGE topic on the old board about exactly what was buried underneath the tarmac there...?... That's Denver, not Dallas. Incidentally, does anyone remember the Goldsboro B-52 crash, in which two of its bombs were dropped? The arming mechanism on one had completed five out of its six sequences, and the only thing stopping it from detonating was the arm/safe switch, which was still set to safe. |
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Post by ironhold on Mar 13, 2014 16:45:13 GMT
"America Declassified" actually had an episode that involved a visit to Denver.
Most of the underground projects are actually transit tunnels and the occasional wonky baggage conveyor.
The show did, however, make a point of highlighting the fact that the murals painted in the airport are in questionable taste at best.
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Post by maxman on Apr 8, 2014 3:58:08 GMT
I found a video that shows all nuclear testing throughout history.
I was a bit surprised, because I thought testing generally stopped after the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty in 1963 and that the last test was the French one protested by Greenpeace in 1970.
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Post by kharnynb on Apr 10, 2014 7:35:21 GMT
personally i think sd is lucky, if it ever would have happened direct incineration would be preferrable to my lot, since i live within about 100 km of just enough russian targets, but not that close that we would suffer immediate damage...
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Post by Lokifan on Apr 22, 2014 19:27:44 GMT
If you ever want to learn about what an attack might have been like, you can always look at the British film "Threads". It may be available online. It's not a pretty thing.
Other films on the same subject (treated seriously, without sci-fi/fantasy content) are "Testament" or "The Day After".
The Brits did a better job, in my opinion. They're still horror films, in any case.
Now, if you want an absurdist view, try out "The Bed-Sitting Room"...
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Post by OziRiS on May 5, 2014 0:11:30 GMT
On the subject of Russia wigging out and the possibility of a WWIII, am I the only one getting a little nervous over this whole Ukraine thing?
I've still got some contacts in the RDAF ACW (Royal Danish Air Force Air Control Wing). When I was there, we'd routinely have Russian military cargo planes and bombers make runs into our airspace, get us to send up a couple of F-16's to say howdy and then they'd fly back out again. That used to happen about once a week and it's been that way for years. Last week though, for the first time since the 80's, we had a couple of SU-27 Flankers penetrate our airspace and I believe the Dutch had a little visit from something similar as well. Seems like an escalation warning to me.
Let's just say the Russians decide to invade Ukraine. In order for NATO not to look like a bunch of sissies, they'll have to respond. The fate of the world will then be in the hands of Vladimir Putin. His response (draw back or retaliate) will set the tone for what happens next. If he decides to retaliate, there's a risk that the situation could escalate to a point where those nukes will become an option that both sides will have to seriously consider putting to use before the opposing side decides they can't keep their fingers off the button anymore.
Depending on how this turns out, this situation may be the closest we've been to WWIII since October of 1962.
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Post by User Unavailable on May 5, 2014 4:53:01 GMT
Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on the Ukraine situation. Not sure what to make of it yet.
If it does escalate, I'm not at all confident that the current White House administration will handle the US response well, in the conventional or nuclear scenario.
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Post by OziRiS on May 5, 2014 9:54:50 GMT
Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on the Ukraine situation. Not sure what to make of it yet. If it does escalate, I'm not at all confident that the current White House administration will handle the US response well, in the conventional or nuclear scenario. I'm not at all confident that NATO will handle it well. The new Secretary General, former Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, seems a bit too pacifistic to me. It served him well during the Breivik case back in '11, but I'm not sure how well he'll fare if the Russians go ape-dung on Ukraine. I think the former Secretary General would have done better, although I'm not sure by how much. If it does get out of hand, I think NATO will do what it did with Iraq, which was wait for the US to make a move and decide whether or not the rest should follow. And that turned out GREAT the last time! |
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Post by the light works on May 5, 2014 14:18:43 GMT
the false sorties were a staple of the cold war gamesmanship.
the latest in the Ukraine from the propaganda side is that everybody is scapegoating the jewish residents - to the point they are starting to remember the Nazi party, and many are deciding to get the heck out of dodge, while they have the opportunity.
as for NATO just waiting for the US to do something, we can hope the current administration isn't so eager to play global cop; but you never can tell.
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Post by OziRiS on May 5, 2014 20:20:34 GMT
the false sorties were a staple of the cold war gamesmanship. the latest in the Ukraine from the propaganda side is that everybody is scapegoating the jewish residents - to the point they are starting to remember the Nazi party, and many are deciding to get the heck out of dodge, while they have the opportunity. as for NATO just waiting for the US to do something, we can hope the current administration isn't so eager to play global cop; but you never can tell. As far as your current administration not being eager to play global cop, it went pretty well with Lybia and letting the French take the lead. Who'd have ever thought we'd see the day when that happened? As for the persecution of jews, it's incredible how fast people forget the past. We're not even over the century mark of WWII yet and already we're seeing people willing to make the same mistakes again. |
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Post by the light works on May 6, 2014 0:41:37 GMT
the false sorties were a staple of the cold war gamesmanship. the latest in the Ukraine from the propaganda side is that everybody is scapegoating the jewish residents - to the point they are starting to remember the Nazi party, and many are deciding to get the heck out of dodge, while they have the opportunity. as for NATO just waiting for the US to do something, we can hope the current administration isn't so eager to play global cop; but you never can tell. As far as your current administration not being eager to play global cop, it went pretty well with Lybia and letting the French take the lead. Who'd have ever thought we'd see the day when that happened? As for the persecution of jews, it's incredible how fast people forget the past. We're not even over the century mark of WWII yet and already we're seeing people willing to make the same mistakes again. don't forget we have people denying the holocaust ever happened. |
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Post by User Unavailable on May 6, 2014 4:59:26 GMT
My personal belief, is the the ski mask wearing "pro Russian rebels", are in fact Russian troops, that have already "invaded" the Ukraine.
They are too well armed and uniformly equipped to be mere rebels. Videos I've seen of them in action, they appear well organized and trained in their movements.
The ski masks are ideal to keep friends and family back home in Russia or elsewhere, from identifying them and blowing the lid of the fact that Russian troops are already in the Ukraine.
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Post by OziRiS on May 7, 2014 2:13:31 GMT
My personal belief, is the the ski mask wearing "pro Russian rebels", are in fact Russian troops, that have already "invaded" the Ukraine. They are too well armed and uniformly equipped to be mere rebels. Videos I've seen of them in action, they appear well organized and trained in their movements. The ski masks are ideal to keep friends and family back home in Russia or elsewhere, from identifying them and blowing the lid of the fact that Russian troops are already in the Ukraine. There have been several reports of Ukrainian soldiers from the Crimean peninsula defecting and joining the pro Russian side of the conflict. Most of the uniformly equipped and well organized rebels you see in those videos are those soldiers, although I can't say for certain that at least some of them couldn't be Russian soldiers. I wouldn't put it past the Russians to play that tactic. |
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Post by User Unavailable on May 7, 2014 4:52:25 GMT
My personal belief, is the the ski mask wearing "pro Russian rebels", are in fact Russian troops, that have already "invaded" the Ukraine. They are too well armed and uniformly equipped to be mere rebels. Videos I've seen of them in action, they appear well organized and trained in their movements. The ski masks are ideal to keep friends and family back home in Russia or elsewhere, from identifying them and blowing the lid of the fact that Russian troops are already in the Ukraine. There have been several reports of Ukrainian soldiers from the Crimean peninsula defecting and joining the pro Russian side of the conflict. Most of the uniformly equipped and well organized rebels you see in those videos are those soldiers, although I can't say for certain that at least some of them couldn't be Russian soldiers. I wouldn't put it past the Russians to play that tactic. Also seen a lot of them Wearing these undershirts. Not sure if Ukraine troops wear them, but I know some Russian troops do and have for years, including Spetznaz. |
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Post by the light works on May 7, 2014 14:10:11 GMT
There have been several reports of Ukrainian soldiers from the Crimean peninsula defecting and joining the pro Russian side of the conflict. Most of the uniformly equipped and well organized rebels you see in those videos are those soldiers, although I can't say for certain that at least some of them couldn't be Russian soldiers. I wouldn't put it past the Russians to play that tactic. Also seen a lot of them Wearing these undershirts. Not sure if Ukraine troops wear them, but I know some Russian troops do and have for years, including Spetznaz. wikipedia points out they are standard uniform for most Russian forces. however, they are also available to the general public, and other military forces also wear them. so they could be russian, or they could be locals trying to emulate russians. (by which I mean there is still deniability) |
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Post by OziRiS on May 7, 2014 17:48:08 GMT
There have been several reports of Ukrainian soldiers from the Crimean peninsula defecting and joining the pro Russian side of the conflict. Most of the uniformly equipped and well organized rebels you see in those videos are those soldiers, although I can't say for certain that at least some of them couldn't be Russian soldiers. I wouldn't put it past the Russians to play that tactic. Also seen a lot of them Wearing these undershirts. Not sure if Ukraine troops wear them, but I know some Russian troops do and have for years, including Spetznaz. Or they could just be standard issue for the Ukrainian forces. Notice their weapons? Yeah, those are either AK74's or AKM's. Also what the Russians use. Plus they use a lot of military vehicles that are also Russian. There's a reason why some people in the region are pro Russian, you know... We also have a lot of people in the Danish forces running around with American chest rigs and we use Colt (Canada) weapons that look like US M16's and M4's. Doesn't mean the US has infiltrated the Danish Army and is trying to bring us down from within. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 8, 2014 4:55:02 GMT
Ukraine.
The Russian speaking parts of Ukraine want russian rule, the other parts want European membership.
The whole country will devolve eventually, and split, into Russian and European, a bit like Germany was at the end of WW2.
You can not stop that happening.
The two sides of the country, and I mean that geographically, are literally that far apart on politics.
If you have a whole county vote, it will change nothing, the two sides will still disagree in the same way that they are now.
Putin is no more than an opportunist.
He will take what they ask for, and what the side of the country closest to him is asking for is russian rule....
Who are we, from the other sides of the world, to disagree?...
We in UK do not tell Americans how to vote, nor do Americans tell UK how to vote, and neither of us has any right to tell them how to do politics either.
As a world wide peace keeping force, we have the right, as invited by both Russia and Ukraine, to intervene and stop the fighting...
But only when invited.
After that, its up to the people of that country to decide what happens next.........
I hope......
I do not think this will start the next global war.
But it may/has already started the next cold war, with two or three superpowers uneasy at the situation, and politicians on all sides earning their salt for a change, by brokering some sort of deal?....
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Post by the light works on May 8, 2014 5:25:01 GMT
Ukraine. The Russian speaking parts of Ukraine want russian rule, the other parts want European membership. The whole country will devolve eventually, and split, into Russian and European, a bit like Germany was at the end of WW2. You can not stop that happening. The two sides of the country, and I mean that geographically, are literally that far apart on politics. If you have a whole county vote, it will change nothing, the two sides will still disagree in the same way that they are now. Putin is no more than an opportunist. He will take what they ask for, and what the side of the country closest to him is asking for is russian rule.... Who are we, from the other sides of the world, to disagree?... We in UK do not tell Americans how to vote, nor do Americans tell UK how to vote, and neither of us has any right to tell them how to do politics either. As a world wide peace keeping force, we have the right, as invited by both Russia and Ukraine, to intervene and stop the fighting... But only when invited. After that, its up to the people of that country to decide what happens next......... I hope...... I do not think this will start the next global war. But it may/has already started the next cold war, with two or three superpowers uneasy at the situation, and politicians on all sides earning their salt for a change, by brokering some sort of deal?.... Americans want to tell EVERYBODY how to vote. |
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Post by OziRiS on May 8, 2014 5:59:48 GMT
Ukraine. The Russian speaking parts of Ukraine want russian rule, the other parts want European membership. The whole country will devolve eventually, and split, into Russian and European, a bit like Germany was at the end of WW2. You can not stop that happening. The two sides of the country, and I mean that geographically, are literally that far apart on politics. If you have a whole county vote, it will change nothing, the two sides will still disagree in the same way that they are now. Putin is no more than an opportunist. He will take what they ask for, and what the side of the country closest to him is asking for is russian rule.... Who are we, from the other sides of the world, to disagree?... We in UK do not tell Americans how to vote, nor do Americans tell UK how to vote, and neither of us has any right to tell them how to do politics either. As a world wide peace keeping force, we have the right, as invited by both Russia and Ukraine, to intervene and stop the fighting... But only when invited. After that, its up to the people of that country to decide what happens next......... I hope...... I do not think this will start the next global war. But it may/has already started the next cold war, with two or three superpowers uneasy at the situation, and politicians on all sides earning their salt for a change, by brokering some sort of deal?.... Americans want to tell EVERYBODY how to vote. And by extension, so does the rest of NATO, since they're pretty much always dangling off the pant leg of America. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 8, 2014 6:19:51 GMT
We have the right to offer affiliation to NATO.
Ok, so, NATO is very much American administrated... but only because the rest of the NATO nations allow it to be so.... mainly because its one bit the Americans can sort of do right?.... and as for some of the smaller nations having America as "Big Bruver", its better for them that way.
After all, who would be stupid enough to pick a fight with the whole of America (and the rest of NATO).
Its an easy allowance in the name of peace.
And to be honest, America, when put in comparison to some other super-powers, at least with America they are open to criticism....
"I may not like what you say but I defend your right to say it"....
Unless its grossly offensive.
If so, then its open season on your [donkey-cousin], and you deserve what you get....
America may not always be right, but its fair.
As in, its not always right to everyone at the same time.....
The UK?... we have lost direction in trying to be to politically correct.
Its about time someone grew a pair and stood up for our rights as England.
Wales has its own parliament, Scotland wants devolution, but if we try to be proud of being English?...
Thats "Racist".....
Well Enough.
To Nay-sayers, Go boil your head, we have a racial right to be ENGLISH and proud.
And part of NATO.
And NOT russian.
Or American.
Or european.
English is good enough, isnt it?...
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