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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 27, 2014 7:04:11 GMT
This was noted in the aftershow.
The reason they don't look at why is ultimately because there are far too many ways the energy in a bullet could be 'lost' to bring it to the point that it isn't going to pass through certain materials/objects. Worse is that even a full on investigation might not be able to decide what happened (or it it does this is several weeks or months later, when the press has moved onto several hundred other stories)
For example a defective round is something that might not be detectable, but could easily result in a bullet lacking enough energy to be lethal.
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 27, 2014 15:46:31 GMT
I thought it was a pretty good show, but two things disappointed me:
Bent Barrel: Okay, so we know the gun will still fire the projectile from the barrel when it's bent, but I'm not the only one who noticed the bullet tumbling uncontrollably on the high speed, am I? Would have been interesting to see what effect that would have had over a larger range than point blank.
What is Bulletproof: Sure, they've done many of these before and they need to keep it interesting, but the shooting gallery - while certainly fun to look at - did absolutely nothing positive for the tests. If they're so sick of myths about things that are bulletproof that they're not even willing to test them properly, why do them at all?
Great points were made by others here about the tape measure and why that could stop a bullet and why it may not have stopped the .40 cal. Testing method was key here, I agree. But about the wallet...
I know it's not the thing to do in the US, but in many other countries we carry coins in our wallets, sometimes many of them. Some of them are almost an inch in diameter, a couple of millimeters thick and made of alloys rather than clean nickel or copper. It's not unusual for me to carry between 5 and 15 coins of this size in my wallet and sometimes even more, depending on how many cash purchases I've made and how many bills I've had broken. It stands to reason that a handful of small, hard metal discs overlapping each other in an enclosed space should fare better than a wallet full of paper.
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Post by the light works on Feb 27, 2014 15:57:50 GMT
I thought it was a pretty good show, but two things disappointed me: Bent Barrel: Okay, so we know the gun will still fire the projectile from the barrel when it's bent, but I'm not the only one who noticed the bullet tumbling uncontrollably on the high speed, am I? Would have been interesting to see what effect that would have had over a larger range than point blank. What is Bulletproof: Sure, they've done many of these before and they need to keep it interesting, but the shooting gallery - while certainly fun to look at - did absolutely nothing positive for the tests. If they're so sick of myths about things that are bulletproof that they're not even willing to test them properly, why do them at all? Great points were made by others here about the tape measure and why that could stop a bullet and why it may not have stopped the .40 cal. Testing method was key here, I agree. But about the wallet... I know it's not the thing to do in the US, but in many other countries we carry coins in our wallets, sometimes many of them. Some of them are almost an inch in diameter, a couple of millimeters thick and made of alloys rather than clean nickel or copper. It's not unusual for me to carry between 5 and 15 coins of this size in my wallet and sometimes even more, depending on how many cash purchases I've made and how many bills I've had broken. It stands to reason that a handful of small, hard metal discs overlapping each other in an enclosed space should fare better than a wallet full of paper. that could be a factor. it is not common practice in the US, as far as I know, so they may not have ever heard of it.
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 27, 2014 18:52:15 GMT
I thought it was a pretty good show, but two things disappointed me: Bent Barrel: Okay, so we know the gun will still fire the projectile from the barrel when it's bent, but I'm not the only one who noticed the bullet tumbling uncontrollably on the high speed, am I? Would have been interesting to see what effect that would have had over a larger range than point blank. What is Bulletproof: Sure, they've done many of these before and they need to keep it interesting, but the shooting gallery - while certainly fun to look at - did absolutely nothing positive for the tests. If they're so sick of myths about things that are bulletproof that they're not even willing to test them properly, why do them at all? Great points were made by others here about the tape measure and why that could stop a bullet and why it may not have stopped the .40 cal. Testing method was key here, I agree. But about the wallet... I know it's not the thing to do in the US, but in many other countries we carry coins in our wallets, sometimes many of them. Some of them are almost an inch in diameter, a couple of millimeters thick and made of alloys rather than clean nickel or copper. It's not unusual for me to carry between 5 and 15 coins of this size in my wallet and sometimes even more, depending on how many cash purchases I've made and how many bills I've had broken. It stands to reason that a handful of small, hard metal discs overlapping each other in an enclosed space should fare better than a wallet full of paper. that could be a factor. it is not common practice in the US, as far as I know, so they may not have ever heard of it. Do people in the US not use their wallets for loose change at all? You can't tell me you all walk around with your pockets full of coins all the time...?
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Post by ironhold on Feb 27, 2014 23:36:27 GMT
Many stores now have "Coinstar" machines that will count coins for you and provide you with a receipt that you can take to a cashier to get bills back.
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 27, 2014 23:43:37 GMT
Many stores now have "Coinstar" machines that will count coins for you and provide you with a receipt that you can take to a cashier to get bills back. Okay. Well, since there was no info on how old this myth was, let's just say it was 1988. Did people carry coins in their wallets back then or did they just stuff them in their pockets like you always see in movies? (If someone needed change for a pay phone or to give to a homeless person, they always just reached into their pocket and grabbed some - always wondered about that...)
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2014 1:44:44 GMT
Many stores now have "Coinstar" machines that will count coins for you and provide you with a receipt that you can take to a cashier to get bills back. Okay. Well, since there was no info on how old this myth was, let's just say it was 1988. Did people carry coins in their wallets back then or did they just stuff them in their pockets like you always see in movies? (If someone needed change for a pay phone or to give to a homeless person, they always just reached into their pocket and grabbed some - always wondered about that...) some people carry a coin purse of some sort in their pocket - but as for me, I always just have half a handful of change in my pocket.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Feb 28, 2014 17:56:15 GMT
I normally have coins in my wallet ... but my wallet is in my purse. A lot of men's wallets have dropped the coin pocket to get a smoother line. Several of my male customers have separate coin purses, I'll see if I can scrounge a web image later. EDIT: Back, with an image -- this type seems to be popular: Depending on the types of coins, I could see these blocking at least a small caliber round.
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Post by User Unavailable on Mar 1, 2014 7:41:09 GMT
Many stores now have "Coinstar" machines that will count coins for you and provide you with a receipt that you can take to a cashier to get bills back. Okay. Well, since there was no info on how old this myth was, let's just say it was 1988. Did people carry coins in their wallets back then or did they just stuff them in their pockets like you always see in movies? (If someone needed change for a pay phone or to give to a homeless person, they always just reached into their pocket and grabbed some - always wondered about that...) Yes, men typically just carry coins around in our pockets. Also, many types of trousers had or have had "coin pockets". Typically a small pocket in the top of the right hand pocket. For example, the LeviStrauss Blue Jeans, I've worn my whole life, have a coin pocket. Though I've never used it for coins and don't know anyone who has. It is typically where us smokers that use Zippo lighters, carry our Zippo's. The coin pockets are the perfect size for a Zippo. Dickies work trousers used to have a coin pocket above the right hand pocket, but no longer do as far as I know. Folks I knew carried their Zippo's in these as well. These coin pockets are actually too small and tight for the typical amount of cash transactions resulting in change given or change needed that used to be much more common, before folks began using credit or debit cards for most purchases. The coins were hard to out of the pockets when needed and didn't hold much, so overflow always went into the main pocket anyway. Many trousers manufacturers stopped adding coin pockets years ago. Jeans are about all I've seen them on in a long time. If you asked 50 people under age 40 who are wearing Levi's, what that little pocket in the top of the right pocket is, 45 or more won't know it is actually a coin pocket and 48 will probably have never used it for anything. Men who used to wear suit vests would often put coins in the vest pocket instead of the trousers pocket, sometimes loose, sometimes in a coin purse. Vests with suits are no longer fashionable. Wallets with coin purses in them used to be common when I was young in the 1970's-1980's, but started disappearing in the 1980's. Though you can still find them, typically with a zipper closure. The older style were snap closed. Coin purses carried in the pocket are used by many people. I don't use one now, but I used to carry my lunch money to school in one when I was little.
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 1, 2014 13:49:39 GMT
I would go nuts if I had loose change jingling around in my pockets all the time!
Wallets are still made with a closed pocket for coins here, either with a snap lock or a zipper. Of course with credit cards and the new thing, payment via mobile app, we're probably not far away from the complete death of cash.
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Post by the light works on Mar 1, 2014 15:48:02 GMT
I would go nuts if I had loose change jingling around in my pockets all the time! Wallets are still made with a closed pocket for coins here, either with a snap lock or a zipper. Of course with credit cards and the new thing, payment via mobile app, we're probably not far away from the complete death of cash. it pads out all the keys I have in there.
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Post by User Unavailable on Mar 1, 2014 18:36:21 GMT
I would go nuts if I had loose change jingling around in my pockets all the time! Wallets are still made with a closed pocket for coins here, either with a snap lock or a zipper. Of course with credit cards and the new thing, payment via mobile app, we're probably not far away from the complete death of cash. It doesn't bother me unless I have a lot of coins in my pocket or I am wearing the rarely worn (for me) suit. Suit/dress trousers are typically thinner material and a pocket full of change really ruins the line of the trousers with that conspicuous bulge. Blue jeans or work uniforms, the material is thicker and goes a long way towards hiding the bulge. I used to carry more coinage around than I do now, just to feed the drink or snack machines before Bill Takers were common in the vending industry. Now, if I carry any change at all, it is typically only a few pennies, a couple of nickels and dimes and maybe a quarter or two.
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Post by Cybermortis on Mar 1, 2014 18:39:26 GMT
Not sure which is worse. Fighting the urge to make a joke about the 'Battle of the Bulge', or picturing a Marine in a suit.
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Post by User Unavailable on Mar 2, 2014 1:36:53 GMT
Not sure which is worse. Fighting the urge to make a joke about the 'Battle of the Bulge', or picturing a Marine in a suit. Hey! I look good in a suit when I wear one! I wear a suit to uniform regs. Looking sharp. I just hate wearing a suit.
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 2, 2014 7:46:46 GMT
Not sure which is worse. Fighting the urge to make a joke about the 'Battle of the Bulge', or picturing a Marine in a suit. HA! Good one! I was about to go for the "Are those coins in your pocket or do you just have really disproportionate bits?" joke, but I like the subtlety of yours better
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