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Post by silverdragon on May 3, 2014 6:51:30 GMT
We have a "Sit down" toilet, the seat is NEVER up.....
Little boys miss.
To prevent that, we do not allow standing in our toilet.
The squat spot..... many non euro places now have "Western" style toilets for us that cant use a squat.....
Because of my back injury, I cant actually do that kind of bend, so if I had to use a squat?... I dont think I could do that.
Two stage flush toilets.
I have yet to see one that the owner has not asked if I know how to fix?...
Are there any that DONT go wrong on a regular basis?....
And no, I dont do fixing toilets.
Same reason I dont do Gas cookers..
They are usually smelly and full of sh--
Onwards and upwards.
Long drop above head cisterns.....
The absolute number one favourite practical joke I ever was a part of was the time the "Chain" from a long-drop was attached to a bucket wedged on the top of the cistern.....
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Post by kharnynb on May 3, 2014 8:00:37 GMT
You only call it the French Squat in the European neck of the woods, but it really is much older and comes from The Far East. The squat is hard on you when you've got bad knees! I only meant that i've only used squat's in france, i know they are more common elsewhere. |
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Post by the light works on May 3, 2014 8:26:06 GMT
We have a "Sit down" toilet, the seat is NEVER up..... Little boys miss. To prevent that, we do not allow standing in our toilet. The squat spot..... many non euro places now have "Western" style toilets for us that cant use a squat..... Because of my back injury, I cant actually do that kind of bend, so if I had to use a squat?... I dont think I could do that. Two stage flush toilets. I have yet to see one that the owner has not asked if I know how to fix?... Are there any that DONT go wrong on a regular basis?.... And no, I dont do fixing toilets. Same reason I dont do Gas cookers.. They are usually smelly and full of sh-- Onwards and upwards. Long drop above head cisterns..... The absolute number one favourite practical joke I ever was a part of was the time the "Chain" from a long-drop was attached to a bucket wedged on the top of the cistern..... my new two stage toilet is 9 years old... the function key did break last year. I think it was a plastic locknut that gave out. |
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Post by OziRiS on May 3, 2014 19:45:40 GMT
We have a "Sit down" toilet, the seat is NEVER up..... Little boys miss. To prevent that, we do not allow standing in our toilet. The squat spot..... many non euro places now have "Western" style toilets for us that cant use a squat..... Because of my back injury, I cant actually do that kind of bend, so if I had to use a squat?... I dont think I could do that. Two stage flush toilets. I have yet to see one that the owner has not asked if I know how to fix?... Are there any that DONT go wrong on a regular basis?.... And no, I dont do fixing toilets. Same reason I dont do Gas cookers.. They are usually smelly and full of sh-- Onwards and upwards. Long drop above head cisterns..... The absolute number one favourite practical joke I ever was a part of was the time the "Chain" from a long-drop was attached to a bucket wedged on the top of the cistern..... my new two stage toilet is 9 years old... the function key did break last year. I think it was a plastic locknut that gave out. We've had our two stage flush toilet for 6 years now and have never had a problem. Wonder if there's a typical brand they use in the UK that's just worse than what the rest of us have available...? |
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Post by the light works on May 3, 2014 19:58:25 GMT
my new two stage toilet is 9 years old... the function key did break last year. I think it was a plastic locknut that gave out. We've had our two stage flush toilet for 6 years now and have never had a problem. Wonder if there's a typical brand they use in the UK that's just worse than what the rest of us have available...? one factor might be that Europe uses smaller drain pipes than the US does. in the US, you won't see a drain pipe smaller than an inch and a half, and the toilet uses a minimum 3 inch pipe. as I recall europe doesn't use a pipe larger than an inch and a half or two inches. and that might be a good subject. |
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Post by kharnynb on May 3, 2014 20:36:47 GMT
That's just because you guys over there are more full of....(i'll let myself out)
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Post by the light works on May 3, 2014 22:19:36 GMT
That's just because you guys over there are more full of....(i'll let myself out) 'Murica! [/tangent] |
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Post by silverdragon on May 4, 2014 8:03:36 GMT
The waste from toilets here is four inch.
I believe code states below that you have to fit a waste grinder.
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Post by OziRiS on May 4, 2014 8:22:23 GMT
We've had our two stage flush toilet for 6 years now and have never had a problem. Wonder if there's a typical brand they use in the UK that's just worse than what the rest of us have available...? one factor might be that Europe uses smaller drain pipes than the US does. in the US, you won't see a drain pipe smaller than an inch and a half, and the toilet uses a minimum 3 inch pipe. as I recall europe doesn't use a pipe larger than an inch and a half or two inches. and that might be a good subject. Are you forgetting that I'm European too? If there's a universal European standard (which I don't think there is - yet - leave that to the EU though) and the pipes are what's causing the problems in the UK, then the rest of us should be having the same problems. |
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Post by the light works on May 4, 2014 13:51:58 GMT
one factor might be that Europe uses smaller drain pipes than the US does. in the US, you won't see a drain pipe smaller than an inch and a half, and the toilet uses a minimum 3 inch pipe. as I recall europe doesn't use a pipe larger than an inch and a half or two inches. and that might be a good subject. Are you forgetting that I'm European too? If there's a universal European standard (which I don't think there is - yet - leave that to the EU though) and the pipes are what's causing the problems in the UK, then the rest of us should be having the same problems. well, with that eliminated as a factor, it might be that there is a common manufacturer in the UK who uses either a poor design, or a poorly executed design. All toilets are not created equal. |
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Post by OziRiS on May 4, 2014 19:00:44 GMT
Are you forgetting that I'm European too? If there's a universal European standard (which I don't think there is - yet - leave that to the EU though) and the pipes are what's causing the problems in the UK, then the rest of us should be having the same problems. well, with that eliminated as a factor, it might be that there is a common manufacturer in the UK who uses either a poor design, or a poorly executed design. All toilets are not created equal. That's what I'm thinking. The one we have (Danish design by Ifö) comes with a 10 year manufacturers warranty, so that particular company seems to be pretty sure of their design. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 5, 2014 10:26:53 GMT
There IS a standard.
All New build is minimum 4inch.
Or whatever that is in millipedes, or centaurs, or whatever it is?...
However, there is no retrofit enforcement, older properties vary, unless there is building work, as in, if you remove the "old", you must replace with standard.
Also standard states you must have a breather pipe above roofline somewhere....
Now I am not 100% on the above, it is what "I have been told" from a plumbist person, so dont go asking me to quote chapter and verse from there whatever it is that is the equivalent to the handbook....
Exceptions to the rule, on pumped systems with waste grinders.
Toilets in UK, Shanks (Bar Head) Royal Doulton, or B&Q, whatever, you must pass "Kite mark" standards, as in it has to support a certain weight and "Fit" the "Standard" fittings in order to be sold....
And no one is daft enough to go buy a bog from some shady back street suppliers, 'cos B&Q{*} is that cheep, and their stuff is good quality.
Drain pipes...
Outside buildings, Rainwater gets 3inch, waste water from sinks and washers gets slightly slimmer, but the Toilet stack MUST be 4 inch minimum, mainly because at that size you wont mistake it for something else and drill into it to add an extra sink drain.
Which is against code.
Underground, all combine "Somewhere", but that bit I dont know, 'cos I never go down that far.
{*Admin note; B&Q is the British equivalent of Home Depot in the US or Bunnings Warehouse in Australia}
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Post by the light works on May 5, 2014 13:52:52 GMT
There IS a standard. All New build is minimum 4inch. Or whatever that is in millipedes, or centaurs, or whatever it is?... However, there is no retrofit enforcement, older properties vary, unless there is building work, as in, if you remove the "old", you must replace with standard. Also standard states you must have a breather pipe above roofline somewhere.... Now I am not 100% on the above, it is what "I have been told" from a plumbist person, so dont go asking me to quote chapter and verse from there whatever it is that is the equivalent to the handbook.... Exceptions to the rule, on pumped systems with waste grinders. Toilets in UK, Shanks (Bar Head) Royal Doulton, or B&Q, whatever, you must pass "Kite mark" standards, as in it has to support a certain weight and "Fit" the "Standard" fittings in order to be sold.... And no one is daft enough to go buy a bog from some shady back street suppliers, 'cos B&Q{*} is that cheep, and their stuff is good quality. Drain pipes... Outside buildings, Rainwater gets 3inch, waste water from sinks and washers gets slightly slimmer, but the Toilet stack MUST be 4 inch minimum, mainly because at that size you wont mistake it for something else and drill into it to add an extra sink drain. Which is against code. Underground, all combine "Somewhere", but that bit I dont know, 'cos I never go down that far. {*Admin note; B&Q is the British equivalent of Home Depot in the US or Bunnings Warehouse in Australia} here, the cheap ones they sell at home depot are borderline on effective. and our drain pipes usually combine on their way down, but of course, there are specific rules on when and where they can join so as to prevent backflow. |
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on May 9, 2014 14:25:38 GMT
Ok we've all heard the stories about teenagers storing six packs in the toilet cisterns to A) Hide them from their folks & B) Keep it cool enough to drink. But I've heard this is not a good idea because the germs that are in the toilet can attach themselves to the cans, & when people drink them they can become ill (not from the beer but from the germs) as a result.
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Post by the light works on May 9, 2014 15:31:43 GMT
Ok we've all heard the stories about teenagers storing six packs in the toilet cisterns to A) Hide them from their folks & B) Keep it cool enough to drink. But I've heard this is not a good idea because the germs that are in the toilet can attach themselves to the cans, & when people drink them they can become ill (not from the beer but from the germs) as a result. assuming by the cistern you mean the supply tank rather than the bowl; there is not a vector for toilet germs, but as it is not maintained as a sanitary water supply, it can develop cultures of various things from the air. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 14, 2014 6:50:50 GMT
I would say that if the top of the can is underwater, and the toilet has a bleach block in it, it would to an extent "Sanitize" the top of that can.
You all know I do transport, you all know I have links to the alcohol trade, so I know things that would scare the bejesus outa you...
One thing for sure, if you saw what I saw, you would ALWAYS wipe the top of every can you ever tried to open before you tried to open it.
(The same goes with bottles......)
Cans are stored in large warehouses, yes?... and these warehouses are sealed to prevent vermin?....
Right.
Your getting the picture.
So now project forwards....
By the time you get a can, it has probably been crawled over by at least one rat.... or mouse...
And they are incontinent.....
The chances of that happening are more than to be ignored.
Didnt Mythbusters already do this?... didnt they swab the top of cans?...
Regardless of if it was them or not, there is a de4finite chance of rat faeces on your can (Or other vermin...)
Therefore, if you have a can, wipe it.
If you buy a six pack, wash/wipe the top of all of them before you put them into storage.
Even the cans you get in Boxes... those cans were stored empty before they got filled.
And yes, I have transported empty cans from the factory that makes them to the one that fills them...
In the thousands....
Its a bit strange, you have a trailer that acts like its empty, but you have to drive it with fragile load care, extra care because you cant realistically strap a stack down, you would crush the cans?....
They are loaded to fill the all the gaps in the trailer, which is usually solid body, so they dont move about much.
Each stack is shrink-wrapped lightly to keep it in one piece.
But still, a full load still registers as empty on a set of scales.
So back to the warehouse....
Yes vermin will get in and explore empty cans.
Therefore, any can that is submerged under clean water is liable to come out cleaner than before it went in.
How clean is the water in your loo?....
Well, its the same water that comes through the tap isnt it?...
Unless, like some, you have a rainwater channel that uses a rainwater flush.
I am investigating this....
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Post by Cybermortis on May 15, 2014 11:39:01 GMT
They did.
They initially used an alternate light source to look at the top of the cans, then swabbed them. The ALS appeared to show a LOT of contaminants on the cans - but all it was doing was showing dust. The swabbing revealed...nothing to worry about. (Rats are unlikely to be interested in warehouses filled with cans, because there is nothing for them to eat AND they are noisy and heavily trafficked.)
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Post by the light works on May 15, 2014 14:02:29 GMT
also, the manufacturers ship the cans without lids. the lids go on after the cans are filled. so at the point of fill, the cans are sanitary. (and transporting empty cans cross-country is quite rare - and usually only happens if a can manufacturing facility is offline for an unforeseen reason. the main reason for that: silver's truck burns essentially the same volume of fuel per hour regardless of whether the trailer is empty or loaded to weight limit. so hauling finished cans around the country is less economical than hauling aluminum ingots (or blanks) and turning them into cans close by the bottling plant.)
/tangent
I agree that submerging them in the toilet probably has less risk of contamination by waterborne bacteria than by the presence of a drop in bowl cleaning tablet. (assuming one is there) I also agree that it is probably a good idea to rinse the can before use - but it rarely happens in my house.
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Post by silverdragon on May 16, 2014 6:14:49 GMT
I would like to see what results swabbing cans that have been stored in a mixed produce food warehouse or the back of a small corner shop turns up.
The cans in motion that I did was from the manufacturing plant to the filling plant, its not cross-country, more cross-town, not all filling plants have pressing mills attached, especially if there is a communal plant that can do everyone's cans.
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Post by the light works on May 16, 2014 14:09:09 GMT
I would like to see what results swabbing cans that have been stored in a mixed produce food warehouse or the back of a small corner shop turns up. The cans in motion that I did was from the manufacturing plant to the filling plant, its not cross-country, more cross-town, not all filling plants have pressing mills attached, especially if there is a communal plant that can do everyone's cans. then that's a short run that doesn't leave much time for rats. I'm not sure where Mythbusters sourced their cans from when they did it. |
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