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Post by the light works on Jul 3, 2014 5:05:06 GMT
we saw a lot of threads about the Korean myth that sleeping with a fan in the room can kill you. I can say for a fact it won't - but could there be even a grain of truth to it? could an older fan motor possibly have enough arcing in the brushes to produce ozone?
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jul 3, 2014 14:39:53 GMT
Are we talking about an electric pedestal fan? If so then according to this myth then I (along with most Australians) should have died YEARS ago! Every summer I go to sleep with the fan on at night - in fact from late October till the end of February my fans (I have one in each room of my flat, except for the loo) are left going 24/7. If they weren't then I would turn into Margaret Hamilton every summer with out fail.
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Post by the light works on Jul 3, 2014 14:59:21 GMT
Are we talking about an electric pedestal fan? If so then according to this myth then I (along with most Australians) should have died YEARS ago! Every summer I go to sleep with the fan on at night - in fact from late October till the end of February my fans (I have one in each room of my flat, except for the loo) are left going 24/7. If they weren't then I would turn into Margaret Hamilton every summer with out fail. Mrs TLW has at least one fan running in the house at any time of the day - and sometimes multiple fans. she also tends to leave all the windows open once it hits 50 degrees out.(10C) - which explains why I have been known to get home from work and put my jacket on. some days I swear I could remove all variable controls from her life and replace them with a two position switch and it would not make a difference - her truck climate control is either on max heat defrost or max aircon, never anything in between.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jul 3, 2014 15:18:13 GMT
We are all true fan club members in my family. Can't sleep without our fans. Lest week my daughter and her hubby were heading to Michigan for the weekend. When I looked in the back of her Jeep, first thing I saw as a big box fan.
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Post by the light works on Jul 3, 2014 16:53:49 GMT
We are all true fan club members in my family. Can't sleep without our fans. Lest week my daughter and her hubby were heading to Michigan for the weekend. When I looked in the back of her Jeep, first thing I saw as a big box fan. I hate it. I sleep with the covers pulled up to my chin and try to tune out the racket. I tried earplugs, but they are more annoying than the background noise. its particularly bad in the winter when the cold draft makes anything exposed hurt. addendum: on the other hand - I frequently forget my tinnitus completely. my metric for the house being quiet is "so quiet I can hear my ears ringing."
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Post by the light works on Jul 3, 2014 16:57:19 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment?
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Post by ironhold on Jul 3, 2014 17:44:07 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment? The only thing I can think of would be a situation in which a fan was so covered in allergens or irritants that it spread a cloud through the room when active. Even then, we'd be looking at a severe allergic reaction, the one-in-a-million kind.
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Post by the light works on Jul 3, 2014 17:48:29 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment? The only thing I can think of would be a situation in which a fan was so covered in allergens or irritants that it spread a cloud through the room when active. Even then, we'd be looking at a severe allergic reaction, the one-in-a-million kind. hm - higher circulation of pollutants? its a possibility. remember - I'm only looking for a possibility, not a probability.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 5, 2014 1:05:43 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment? Not being used to such high temperatures and a constantly running fan/airconditioner, I got both pneumonia and laryingitis more than once while I was in Iraq - in 104-122 degree heat (40-50C). Seemed like the dumbest thing ever, but the combination of me sweating my behind off, throwing off the covers at night and the fan/airconditioner having to run to make the temperature even remotely bearable made me sick a couple of times. I've had that happen at home too once or twice. Evening temp at around 80F (26C) with high humidity, turn the fan on. Night temp drops to around 55-60F and the fan's still going, but I'm asleep and don't notice the cold until the next morning when I wake up with a sore throat and aching joints. So yeah. There is a way that a fan might contribute to an unhealthy environment.
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Post by ironhold on Jul 5, 2014 1:58:48 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment? Not being used to such high temperatures and a constantly running fan/airconditioner, I got both pneumonia and laryingitis more than once while I was in Iraq - in 104-122 degree heat (40-50C). Seemed like the dumbest thing ever, but the combination of me sweating my behind off, throwing off the covers at night and the fan/airconditioner having to run to make the temperature even remotely bearable made me sick a couple of times. I've had that happen at home too once or twice. Evening temp at around 80F (26C) with high humidity, turn the fan on. Night temp drops to around 55-60F and the fan's still going, but I'm asleep and don't notice the cold until the next morning when I wake up with a sore throat and aching joints. So yeah. There is a way that a fan might contribute to an unhealthy environment. Sounds like what I go through every winter. Here in Texas, it can dip as low as 20 degrees Fahrenheit during the coldest part of the winter, and that's before the wind chill is factored in. However, ever since my mom began a regular exercise routine a few years ago, she constantly complains about feeling cold whenever the weather even slightly dips below 80 degrees or so. Because of this, in the winter she tends to have the heater set to "blast furnace". The constant transition between the frigid outside temperatures and the sweltering inside temperatures means that I usually spend the better part of a month down with some lung condition or another.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 5, 2014 13:55:38 GMT
Not being used to such high temperatures and a constantly running fan/airconditioner, I got both pneumonia and laryingitis more than once while I was in Iraq - in 104-122 degree heat (40-50C). Seemed like the dumbest thing ever, but the combination of me sweating my behind off, throwing off the covers at night and the fan/airconditioner having to run to make the temperature even remotely bearable made me sick a couple of times. I've had that happen at home too once or twice. Evening temp at around 80F (26C) with high humidity, turn the fan on. Night temp drops to around 55-60F and the fan's still going, but I'm asleep and don't notice the cold until the next morning when I wake up with a sore throat and aching joints. So yeah. There is a way that a fan might contribute to an unhealthy environment. Sounds like what I go through every winter. Here in Texas, it can dip as low as 20 degrees Fahrenheit during the coldest part of the winter, and that's before the wind chill is factored in. However, ever since my mom began a regular exercise routine a few years ago, she constantly complains about feeling cold whenever the weather even slightly dips below 80 degrees or so. Because of this, in the winter she tends to have the heater set to "blast furnace". The constant transition between the frigid outside temperatures and the sweltering inside temperatures means that I usually spend the better part of a month down with some lung condition or another. I'm kind of sensitive to cold, so I used to do the same thing, blasting the radiators in my apartment on full power. Found out pretty quickly that if I did that, I'd have to put on insane amounts of clothes when heading outdoors in order to maintain a temperature close to what I had inside, or I'd get sick from the temperature difference. These days I just tend to warm up the house to around 60F and put more clothes on when I'm inside, instead of walking around in a T-shirt all the time. The temperature plummet from inside to outside isn't as extreme this way, so I don't have to put that many extra layers on when I head out. A thick jacket, boots, gloves and a fleece cap will do the trick just fine. I'm hardly ever sick anymore during the winter and our heating bill is way down. Maybe you should pass that on to your mom.
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 5, 2014 15:45:06 GMT
These days I just tend to warm up the house to around 60F and put more clothes on when I'm inside, instead of walking around in a T-shirt all the time. The temperature plummet from inside to outside isn't as extreme this way, so I don't have to put that many extra layers on when I head out. A thick jacket, boots, gloves and a fleece cap will do the trick just fine. I'm hardly ever sick anymore during the winter and our heating bill is way down. Maybe you should pass that on to your mom. Depends on how old Ironholds Mom is, older people sometimes have more difficulty in keeping their bodies warm than younger ones do, the Charity Age UK advises that older people should warm the room to 21 degrees Celsius, 70 Fahrenheit, to avoid Hyperthermia, 18 for the bedroom. My Mum has a thermometer set to her by them that has a big warning sign on it if the room is too cold.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 5, 2014 15:53:48 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment? Bad wiring causing a fire, or at least smoldering the insulation, resulting in a build up of toxic smoke which would be directed at the sleeper? Carbon monoxide or gas leaking from badly maintained gas heaters could be another theoretical problem. A fan would keep the air circulating, rather than allowing it to settle, which could raise the concentration of the gas to potentially lethal levels close to where someone's head was resting while sleeping rather than the gas being closer to the floor.
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Post by the light works on Jul 5, 2014 19:14:38 GMT
but to drift back towards the topic, can you think of any way a fan MIGHT contribute in the slightest to an unhealthy environment? Bad wiring causing a fire, or at least smoldering the insulation, resulting in a build up of toxic smoke which would be directed at the sleeper? Carbon monoxide or gas leaking from badly maintained gas heaters could be another theoretical problem. A fan would keep the air circulating, rather than allowing it to settle, which could raise the concentration of the gas to potentially lethal levels close to where someone's head was resting while sleeping rather than the gas being closer to the floor. that would be a scientifically testable thing. I don't know if it would be good TV, but it would be an interesting question. note: carbon monoxide is actually very close to neutral bouyancy in room air - so temperature has an effect on it as well.
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Post by ironhold on Jul 5, 2014 19:17:45 GMT
These days I just tend to warm up the house to around 60F and put more clothes on when I'm inside, instead of walking around in a T-shirt all the time. The temperature plummet from inside to outside isn't as extreme this way, so I don't have to put that many extra layers on when I head out. A thick jacket, boots, gloves and a fleece cap will do the trick just fine. I'm hardly ever sick anymore during the winter and our heating bill is way down. Maybe you should pass that on to your mom. Depends on how old Ironholds Mom is, older people sometimes have more difficulty in keeping their bodies warm than younger ones do, the Charity Age UK advises that older people should warm the room to 21 degrees Celsius, 70 Fahrenheit, to avoid Hyperthermia, 18 for the bedroom. My Mum has a thermometer set to her by them that has a big warning sign on it if the room is too cold. Based on the specific comments she's made, I'm wondering if she hasn't lost so much weight that it's affecting her body's ability to regulate its temperature. (In contrast, I'm pretty much a polar bear. Between my bulk and my body hair, I run a lot hotter than a normal person. This means that I handle the weather outside as if it was 10 - 20 F warmer than it really is. I wear short sleeves virtually year-round, and can wear shorts about 10 months out of the year.)
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Post by ironhold on Jul 5, 2014 19:19:14 GMT
Another thought that I had -
Does the human body cool off whenever a person is asleep?
If the human body loses temperature while a person is asleep, then perhaps a fan set to a high enough speed might perhaps drop the ambient temperature low enough for hypothermia to set in in some individuals.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 5, 2014 20:17:19 GMT
Apparently the temperature of the human body does indeed drop when asleep, but the body is still capable of thermoregulation so this is unlikely to be a problem. In theory it *could* cause problems for some people, but the number would be so small as to be untestable. www.sleepdex.org/thermoregulation.htm (This discusses things is a fair amount of detail, and is supported by a lot of other sources in so far that human body temperature does indeed drop during sleep)
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 5, 2014 21:56:57 GMT
Apparently the temperature of the human body does indeed drop when asleep, but the body is still capable of thermoregulation so this is unlikely to be a problem. In theory it *could* cause problems for some people, but the number would be so small as to be untestable. www.sleepdex.org/thermoregulation.htm (This discusses things is a fair amount of detail, and is supported by a lot of other sources in so far that human body temperature does indeed drop during sleep) From experience I know that in a normally funtioning human body, if the ambient temperature gets low enough, you'll wake up from shivering before hypothermia gets a chance to set in. Even with a somwhat impaired human body (i.e. being drunk) you'll wake up from the sheer motion of your body if you're shivering hard enough.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 5, 2014 22:04:49 GMT
In contrast, I'm pretty much a polar bear. Between my bulk and my body hair, I run a lot hotter than a normal person. This means that I handle the weather outside as if it was 10 - 20 F warmer than it really is. I wear short sleeves virtually year-round, and can wear shorts about 10 months out of the year. Doesn't that make Texas a very uncomfortable place for you to live in the summer? I know I suck at handling heat, so if I'm ever visiting the US, I wouldn't go anywhere south or west of Utah between the start of april and the end of august.
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Post by ironhold on Jul 5, 2014 23:11:14 GMT
In contrast, I'm pretty much a polar bear. Between my bulk and my body hair, I run a lot hotter than a normal person. This means that I handle the weather outside as if it was 10 - 20 F warmer than it really is. I wear short sleeves virtually year-round, and can wear shorts about 10 months out of the year. Doesn't that make Texas a very uncomfortable place for you to live in the summer? I know I suck at handling heat, so if I'm ever visiting the US, I wouldn't go anywhere south or west of Utah between the start of april and the end of august. Given my usual schedule, I'm typically indoors during the hottest 2 - 3 hours of the day.
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