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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2014 13:26:47 GMT
The thought occurred to me that earlier this year Science Channel green-lighted the Craig Ferguson-produced "I F-Ing Love Science". And now three TV hosts are available.... Hmmm.... [/speculation] that would coincide with my question of whether it was a departure or a downsizing.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2014 13:28:58 GMT
08 August 2014, 2.227 people watched a rerun of The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. 2.907 million watched Pawn Stars. 2.008 million watched Project Runway. Mythbusters came in 59th with 0.921 million. The previous week had basically the same numbers. This week Mythbusters came in at 55th with 1.016 million viewers. 9pm Mythbusters is Discovery's only show to make the list (100) Thursday night. Wednesday night, Naked & Afraid was on the list 3x: 0.947 million, 0.898 million, 0.731 million (ranked 99th). They never break the top 50 for cable shows no matter what day they air. The Big Bang Theory came in 1st (10pm), 2nd (10:30pm) and 5th (9:30 pm). The 9 pm showing came in at 11th. The Big Bang Theory always comes in 1st & 2nd every week (10 & 10:30 shows) and have a 3rd in the top 5. A rerun has more viewers than this show. The B team was let go because basically nobody watches the show. Costs have to be cut, money saved. The figures I'm seeing appear to indicate that Discovery Channel nets around a million viewers during the prime time slots, and possibly twice that when recordings are included. So MB's figures are far from alarming in that context. The figures also ignore international sales/viewers. Discovery broadcasts in something like 170 countries, and of those countries it seems that one of the most consistently popular and well known shows is Mythbusters. So even if US viewer figures are lower than Discovery would like, they may well feel that the show is worth it because of overseas viewers and sales. More than one film in recent years has ended up with a sequel not because it did well in the American market, but because it did well internationally.
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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2014 13:39:37 GMT
08 August 2014, 2.227 people watched a rerun of The Big Bang Theory at 9pm. 2.907 million watched Pawn Stars. 2.008 million watched Project Runway. Mythbusters came in 59th with 0.921 million. The previous week had basically the same numbers. This week Mythbusters came in at 55th with 1.016 million viewers. 9pm Mythbusters is Discovery's only show to make the list (100) Thursday night. Wednesday night, Naked & Afraid was on the list 3x: 0.947 million, 0.898 million, 0.731 million (ranked 99th). They never break the top 50 for cable shows no matter what day they air. The Big Bang Theory came in 1st (10pm), 2nd (10:30pm) and 5th (9:30 pm). The 9 pm showing came in at 11th. The Big Bang Theory always comes in 1st & 2nd every week (10 & 10:30 shows) and have a 3rd in the top 5. A rerun has more viewers than this show. The B team was let go because basically nobody watches the show. Costs have to be cut, money saved. The figures I'm seeing appear to indicate that Discovery Channel nets around a million viewers during the prime time slots, and possibly twice that when recordings are included. So MB's figures are far from alarming in that context. The figures also ignore international sales/viewers. Discovery broadcasts in something like 170 countries, and of those countries it seems that one of the most consistently popular and well known shows is Mythbusters. So even if US viewer figures are lower than Discovery would like, they may well feel that the show is worth it because of overseas viewers and sales. More than one film in recent years has ended up with a sequel not because it did well in the American market, but because it did well internationally. and again, even in America, it is the best Discovery has, right now. for Discovery to tamper with their top show would be like A&W tampering with their Root Beer.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 23, 2014 14:23:14 GMT
I am watching a show on Discovery right now, it will remain nameless, but if that big fat mechanic (clue... that gives the title away...) tells me one more time how "Important it is right now" to get the job finished..... Look, Clueless, you seriously think they are going to agree to go find completely cold **a 1951 model of a car that they can turn into a street rod, after giving us the info it will be four days in paint (Thats from prep to final coat of vanish dry) including a complete down to the nuts and bolts rebuild finding replacement parts that are not just on the endangered species but actually extinct, and "We have exactly one week to build this for the car show being put on in the next town".....
I know car restoration. I know it well. I have been the man who does the paint. I work out the paint index numbers and matches paint to original, including finding original paint and "Matching" it to weathered faded paint.... Getting a car to "Show" standard, concourse level, can NOT be done in a week if you start off with the body and the frame separated.. No way, not happening, you want to re-build part of that panel and weld it in as well?... There isnt enough space around a typical car to get the manpower to that car to do the required work in just one week.
Or a Month.
I know one guy who does this as a challenge, its how he spends his time, he sells the restored cars after the show, and I can tell you now he has next years car in pieces right now whilst he is finishing this years car.
So tell me again, you are going to do all that work "In just seven days"..... I have two words, one of them is not "On".....
Right, he is now into his third "Try" at telling us the replacement wheels he got sent are not the right size. Why do they have to repeat EVERYTHING a dozen times?.. I heard you the first time peanut?...
Oh.... Hang on a mo... this is discovery network, the attention span of the audience is less than that they alleged of a dyslexic goldfish....
So much for your "Highbrow" TV shows, Mythbusters is just too "Intelligent" for them......
Do I have that in a nutshell?... Or is this a new myth.
Ya think I may be over achieving on the sarcasm scale?.... seriously, points out of ten on that?....
[** They think we cant work out that as they are doing it as a job they have no experience and wouldnt know between them of every single 1851 Ford in the state that may be up for sale?.. or Chevvy, or Dodge, or any other "Historical" vehicle within 100 mile or more?... who are they trying to kid?... For example, I know every transport yard in Manchester, even those I dont work for..... I also know most of their drivers by name, and can tell you who the usual driver is just by the registration plate. Thats just 20 yrs experience .....]
So in conclusion, I am a sarcastic git, and "Improving" MB's is perhaps not the best idea, so they are getting it both barrels from me.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2014 15:16:58 GMT
Do not jump to the conclusion that Discovery had anything to do with this, or even if they were involved that does not mean that they were pushing for such a major change.
We simply do not, at this time, know anything more than the build team has left. Anything beyond this is pure speculation. So while it is easy to point fingers at Discovery Channel, it is unfair to do so based on the next to nothing we know right now.
For example, how do you know that the 'news' Tory was speaking about isn't a new show on Discovery Channel? Adam and Jamie have their own production company, and have produced at least two shows I know of for Discovery Channel including 'Deadly Toys' which was very well received. What is to say that Discovery didn't decide to commission Deadly Toys as its own series, and it was decided that the build team would be perfect as hosts?
Think about it, the build team have the skills and experience needed. They could base the show out of M7, have two of the team competing head to head with the third acting as judge for that week and rotate that role around (meaning that at least one of them will get the better part of a week off to do other things, such as presenting or being involved in other shows). Their bosses would be right around the corner as well as M5, which would mean that if there were any serious delays they could maybe borrow staff and equipment from M5 if they needed to do so and they could bring Adam and Jamie on their show as guests. A thirteen episode series would allow them to keep score, and have a final face off at the end of the season to decide who is the best - and that might well allow the show to be aired in the same slot as MB when that show isn't on the air.
In other words it would be the perfect idea for everyone involved....
Not that IS what is going to happen (I have no more idea than the rest of you). Just that based on the information we have it is just as likely as anything else that has been speculated.
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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2014 15:48:22 GMT
I am watching a show on Discovery right now, it will remain nameless, but if that big fat mechanic (clue... that gives the title away...) tells me one more time how "Important it is right now" to get the job finished..... Look, Clueless, you seriously think they are going to agree to go find completely cold **a 1951 model of a car that they can turn into a street rod, after giving us the info it will be four days in paint (Thats from prep to final coat of vanish dry) including a complete down to the nuts and bolts rebuild finding replacement parts that are not just on the endangered species but actually extinct, and "We have exactly one week to build this for the car show being put on in the next town"..... I know car restoration. I know it well. I have been the man who does the paint. I work out the paint index numbers and matches paint to original, including finding original paint and "Matching" it to weathered faded paint.... Getting a car to "Show" standard, concourse level, can NOT be done in a week if you start off with the body and the frame separated.. No way, not happening, you want to re-build part of that panel and weld it in as well?... There isnt enough space around a typical car to get the manpower to that car to do the required work in just one week. Or a Month. I know one guy who does this as a challenge, its how he spends his time, he sells the restored cars after the show, and I can tell you now he has next years car in pieces right now whilst he is finishing this years car. So tell me again, you are going to do all that work "In just seven days"..... I have two words, one of them is not "On"..... Right, he is now into his third "Try" at telling us the replacement wheels he got sent are not the right size. Why do they have to repeat EVERYTHING a dozen times?.. I heard you the first time peanut?... Oh.... Hang on a mo... this is discovery network, the attention span of the audience is less than that they alleged of a dyslexic goldfish.... So much for your "Highbrow" TV shows, Mythbusters is just too "Intelligent" for them...... Do I have that in a nutshell?... Or is this a new myth. Ya think I may be over achieving on the sarcasm scale?.... seriously, points out of ten on that?.... [** They think we cant work out that as they are doing it as a job they have no experience and wouldnt know between them of every single 1851 Ford in the state that may be up for sale?.. or Chevvy, or Dodge, or any other "Historical" vehicle within 100 mile or more?... who are they trying to kid?... For example, I know every transport yard in Manchester, even those I dont work for..... I also know most of their drivers by name, and can tell you who the usual driver is just by the registration plate. Thats just 20 yrs experience .....] So in conclusion, I am a sarcastic git, and "Improving" MB's is perhaps not the best idea, so they are getting it both barrels from me. well, that sort of stupidity has been going on since "This Old House." ("we're going to go to commercial and while that's going on, there will be a 30 man crew in here completely redoing what I started")
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 23, 2014 15:50:22 GMT
Just a thought. Could it all be a publicity ploy? Sort of like the "new Coke" trick a few years ago. Say they are leaving expecting a huge fan outcry and then bringing them back "by popular demand." Problem is, I don't really see that big of a fan outcry.
Just a crazy brain spasm I had.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2014 15:57:45 GMT
If you haven't seen a big fan outcry you clearly have avoided the Discovery boards...which was a good idea btw.
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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2014 16:03:14 GMT
Just a thought. Could it all be a publicity ploy? Sort of like the "new Coke" trick a few years ago. Say they are leaving expecting a huge fan outcry and then bringing them back "by popular demand." Problem is, I don't really see that big of a fan outcry. Just a crazy brain spasm I had. well, so far there is no evidence to disprove it...
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 23, 2014 16:11:30 GMT
I am merely pointing at what Discovery has as its usual programs, with an in depth incite into other shows, including away from the (censored) camera crew interviews with certain fishermen.... via a separate site that shadowed Deadliest Catch in the same way this site follows MB's... which included several people who live in Dutch, and witnessed camera crews literally being turfed off ships after fall outs with Captains. Diso and Deadliest Catch blow up is legendary. Of course, "All is denied", Discovery say that they "Independent" crew who produce Deadliest Catch are nothing to do with them... Follow the money. Discovery networks pay the wages, or commission the shows, so have "Something" to say with what type of show is commissioned....
"This is what discovery want"....
I am the master Cynic, registered as such, and am here to voice the cynical side of suspicion. I am not afraid to voice my concerns, or how it may affect others, this site as such is not affiliated with anyone, it has no responsibilities, and as long as we stick to the truth and facts, we are here to ask questions in an intelligent way, and offer criticism in a constructive way to aid the program makers into making a better show....
My Former post outlines that the MB's audience will not in any way believe in a program that has several attempts to outline the plot saying the same thing half a dozen different ways with unbelievable targets and "Where is the tension" story lines.
Nor will we partake of added extras where they try to explode the plot into a personal tale of feelings and emotions by forcing the plot.
Well, My Brother has just had an injury that may affect him for life, That May be my fault, if you push that camera up my nose and ask me how I feel about that one more time, you will be collecting you camera from the bottom of the sea.... I think that is more or less what one person said to a undisclosed camera operator "producer" after a serious incident got blown out of belief.
If there is going to be a separate show where the M7 team go and do different stuff, then yes, that will be welcome. But why announce it as a "Cut" from Mythbusters in this way?....
I suspect trickery, and am asking whats going on, and I hope it isnt what we are being led to believe that the Second team are "Sacked", because that is unacceptable.
Any attempt to dismiss us with "Dont ask questions" will be met with scorn.....
Someone somewhere has decided that change is necessary. It must be the production team... Who are financed by Discovery.............
At the end of this thread, when we find out what is actually going on, my suspicions will be at an end, and may have been disproved, but just right now, I have the right to ask, just what IS going on and why?... And if its an attempt to "Dumb Down" the show...............
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 23, 2014 16:12:22 GMT
See my posts as a personal outcry against what I believe as an injustice.
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Post by the light works on Aug 23, 2014 16:16:38 GMT
I am merely pointing at what Discovery has as its usual programs, with an in depth incite into other shows, including away from the (censored) camera crew interviews with certain fishermen.... via a separate site that shadowed Deadliest Catch in the same way this site follows MB's... which included several people who live in Dutch, and witnessed camera crews literally being turfed off ships after fall outs with Captains. Diso and Deadliest Catch blow up is legendary. Of course, "All is denied", Discovery say that they "Independent" crew who produce Deadliest Catch are nothing to do with them... Follow the money. Discovery networks pay the wages, or commission the shows, so have "Something" to say with what type of show is commissioned.... "This is what discovery want".... I am the master Cynic, registered as such, and am here to voice the cynical side of suspicion. I am not afraid to voice my concerns, or how it may affect others, this site as such is not affiliated with anyone, it has no responsibilities, and as long as we stick to the truth and facts, we are here to ask questions in an intelligent way, and offer criticism in a constructive way to aid the program makers into making a better show.... My Former post outlines that the MB's audience will not in any way believe in a program that has several attempts to outline the plot saying the same thing half a dozen different ways with unbelievable targets and "Where is the tension" story lines. Nor will we partake of added extras where they try to explode the plot into a personal tale of feelings and emotions by forcing the plot. Well, My Brother has just had an injury that may affect him for life, That May be my fault, if you push that camera up my nose and ask me how I feel about that one more time, you will be collecting you camera from the bottom of the sea.... I think that is more or less what one person said to a undisclosed camera operator "producer" after a serious incident got blown out of belief. If there is going to be a separate show where the M7 team go and do different stuff, then yes, that will be welcome. But why announce it as a "Cut" from Mythbusters in this way?.... I suspect trickery, and am asking whats going on, and I hope it isnt what we are being led to believe that the Second team are "Sacked", because that is unacceptable. Any attempt to dismiss us with "Dont ask questions" will be met with scorn..... Someone somewhere has decided that change is necessary. It must be the production team... Who are financed by Discovery............. At the end of this thread, when we find out what is actually going on, my suspicions will be at an end, and may have been disproved, but just right now, I have the right to ask, just what IS going on and why?... And if its an attempt to "Dumb Down" the show............... and I am pointing out that the alternate possibility is that the build team has gotten a better offer, elsewhere.
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Post by GTCGreg on Aug 23, 2014 17:44:20 GMT
and I am pointing out that the alternate possibility is that the build team has gotten a better offer, elsewhere. Or maybe even on Disco. It wouldn't be the first time Disco did a spin-off show.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2014 18:37:56 GMT
As I write above, Adam and Jamie have produced shows for Discovery channel before. One of those was deadliest toys, which was well received (especially it seems from fans of Mythbusters) and would be ideal for the build team if Discovery opted to commission it as a full series.
As to why they are not saying anything...There are a lot of reasons for not saying anything, from contracts not having been finalized to no decision having been made as to when it will be aired. Discovery doesn't usually reveal when new episodes of Mythbusters until a month or so in advance, and they will be gearing up to advertise their fall season. It is usually not a good idea in TV land to tell everyone what shows you are going to be airing lest your competitors decide to put something in the same slot that is likely to do a lot better.
Come to think of it, the 'stay tuned' comment *might* well turn out to be a show hosted by the former build team that will be announced as part of someones fall line up (it might be Discovery, it might not). This would make sense of things, and might also explain the lack of rumors about the team leaving - they *must* have been doing something for the last six months at M7 for no one to have noticed the lack of activity or former crew members from the show walking around. That no one noticed would imply they have been working on something, and another TV show would be the logical conclusion as to what they were doing.
If so that show would presumably be ready for airing during the fall season and the sweeps, and the timing of this announcement would be a great way to draw interest from fans of Mythbusters. Sudden and unexpected, enough time for people to get worked up and speculating (as everyone here is doing) as to what happened and what the future holds for the build team. Yet close enough that the announcement of a new show will be made while peoples memories are still fresh.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 23, 2014 18:54:34 GMT
I wonder if Kari is still going to do Head Rush?
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Post by breesfan on Aug 23, 2014 20:03:23 GMT
I just hate the way they announced it and no matter the reason why they left, the way it was announced sucks. I feel like tweeting to Adam and telling him that the way the announcement was made about the build team leaving sucks.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 23, 2014 22:10:59 GMT
Judging from the not-too-sad and pretty optimistic tweets from our trio, I think Cyber's on to something. I think they already know what they'll be doing from now on and I have a sneaking suspicion that while we might all be furious now, it may turn out to be for the better.
So, let's all take a deep breath, exhale and see what happens. I'd be surprised if we've seen the last of these three wonderful people that we've all come to love and respect over the past 10 years. They're too good for Beyond/Discovery to completely drop.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2014 22:58:13 GMT
Just to reiterate/clarify I am speculating as to the future of the team. I have no better idea as to the rest of you as to what they will be doing next - no inside information or hints from my Bothan (who probably wouldn't comment if I asked them anyway).
I'm basing my speculation on;
The nature of the tweets the team have sent out, and the fact that they are tweeting. These don't give the impression of people who have no idea what it coming next, or of people who left the show after an argument - if so they would probably not have tweeted at all.
That there was no warning - This is something that is being overlooked. We are not just talking about three people leaving the show, but the entirety of M7's production and filming crews. Plus there is M7 itself, which it would be strange for Jamie to keep hold of if it isn't being used. (Especially if getting rid of the build team was related to money issues) The more observant of us might realize that the build team wasn't at Com-Con this year. Which I found surprising at the time, but I figured they might have been finishing filming. If you add this to the fact that the gap between filming and airing episodes is three to six months, this would mean that the last episode they filmed must have been March, if not earlier than this. Yet no one noticed that M7 has been vacant, or no one was working there for some five months? Or that there were suddenly a large number of former Mythbusters crew members looking for work? I find that unlikely. More likely is that no one noticed because M7 was still being used, just not for Mythbusters.
Last of all we know that Discovery has attempted (unsuccessfully) to develop similar shows to Mythbusters without success before, most notably Smash Labs. If they were still looking for such a show, it would actually make sense to look at the build team to front such a show. They have the skills and experiences, a ready made work space at M7 and would come with a ready made audience in MB viewers (something Smash Labs lacked and would probably have caused it problems even if it had been half decent in its own right). We also know that Adam and Jamie have a production company, and have developed and filmed special shows for Discovery Channel before, and I *think* were still developing shows and ideas.
Again, this is pure speculation on my part. But what little information we have would seem to indicate that the build team is getting their own show, and most likely something that they started filming much earlier in the year - which would mean that show might well be ready to air in the fall season, which would make sense of the timing as it is 'free' advertising as everyone howls about the team leaving MB...only to be told a few weeks later about the new show. I'd expect such a show to be on Discovery Channel, although it might not be, and either after Mythbusters or taking its timeslot when MB is on a break. It would make sense for Discovery to be in favor of such a thing, as they would in effect be getting two shows for little more than what it was costing them to make one.
Food for thought anyway.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 23, 2014 23:08:08 GMT
But what little information we have would seem to indicate that the build team is getting their own show, and most likely something that they started filming much earlier in the year - which would mean that show might well be ready to air in the fall season, which would make sense of the timing as it is 'free' advertising as everyone howls about the team leaving MB...only to be told a few weeks later about the new show. That part could also possibly be the explanation for why the last two episodes aired this season were ones that were recorded two years ago (Traffic Tricks has also been released in Australia earlier on) but never before aired in the US. Not having to film the last two episodes of this season, but rather pulling them out of the archives would have given them extra time to work on something else.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 23, 2014 23:36:12 GMT
The shows in question seem to have been tied up in a legal dispute, which is why they were not aired originally. Presumably that has now been settled. Airing them now might have been a good way to extend the Mythbusters season out so the gap between the announcement that the build team were leaving and any announcement about a new show would be much shorter.
Off the top of my head I *think* that fall lineups are usually revealed in September. So that would be, what? Two to six weeks from the last show (Probably closer to two or three if I'm right) as opposed to a month or more.
Come to think on it, it might also explain why Mythbusters had such a long run over the summer. Rather than episodes being aired in October or November as they were last year. They could have been freeing up slots for the new show...
...And its just occurred to me that spinning the build team off with their own show would allow Discovery to air twice as many 'mythbusterish' episodes as they can now. Adam has mentioned several times that the main reason they introduced the build team was because he and Jamie nearly killed themselves trying to produce 13 episodes for the first season, and even with the build team they have constantly had problems producing anything close to a full seasons worth of 22-24 episodes per year. Spin off the build team with an hour* long show of their own however and assuming a similar episode limit of 13 shows per year that would potentially give Discovery a full 'season' of similar shows without actually having to do increase anyone's workload, and probably without increasing costs either.
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