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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 12, 2014 15:31:24 GMT
dang. I think my total property tax bill is under $2,000 a year. And I'm sure you also have a lot more property than I do. Welcome to Illinois. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2014 15:37:27 GMT
dang. I think my total property tax bill is under $2,000 a year. And I'm sure you also have a lot more property than I do. Welcome to Illinois. and still, we have people kvetching about our property tax rates. (note: while I do have a good sized property - most of it is zoned timberland, which has the lowest tax rates. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 13, 2014 8:00:23 GMT
Before we wander off into the wild green forrest....
First, "First World" schools are schools, they have acreage of boring outside walls, they could carry sponsorship....
Why not?... they should be used to it all over their sports starts etc.
Third world countries that have developed enough to need education, they need to know someone is paying for all this... so why cant they get some advertisements so they know who to say thank-you too, and then realise its not just all handouts, and come begging for more when the freebies run out?...
I am wondering if the lack of knowledge that someone has to pay is maybe the reason why they think everything is free and do that immigration thing.
Third, we have wandered well and truly off track of net neutrality.
But I agree, schools should be more self funding.
One simple idea, Perhaps their mechanics machine shops should do some simple repair work for those who are vetted as not being able to afford expensive work to their cars....
If its a case of scrap it or let the school have a look?...
Of course a qualified mechanic must pass off on all work completed.
Perhaps if that was the way Schools could afford stuff....
Moving on, Equality in the luxury world is you get what you paid for, and if you pay more, you get more.
I say end of.
However... paying at the other end.
If say Amazon pay more that Freds cake shop, Amazon get more band width than Fred when it comes to internet traffic....
So what if a lot of us want to get the special offer at Freds?....
We have to wait.
We dont like to wait.
Some of us paid more to NOT wait.
The idea that those customers paying more can jump the queue....?....
That aint good, is it?...
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Post by kharnynb on Sept 13, 2014 9:55:20 GMT
The customer should be paying for the bandwith, but amazon, yahoo, youtube etc. shouldn't, they are not your isp's customers, they are their content providers.
why should youtube PAY someone for being the reason their customers want to have better packages?
If customers like to use youtube, that's a great selling argument for getting a higher speed/download allowance for the customer, it shouldn't be a reason why youtube should have to pay the isp for the bandwith used by the customers....
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2014 13:14:02 GMT
Before we wander off into the wild green forrest.... First, "First World" schools are schools, they have acreage of boring outside walls, they could carry sponsorship.... Why not?... they should be used to it all over their sports starts etc. Third world countries that have developed enough to need education, they need to know someone is paying for all this... so why cant they get some advertisements so they know who to say thank-you too, and then realise its not just all handouts, and come begging for more when the freebies run out?... I am wondering if the lack of knowledge that someone has to pay is maybe the reason why they think everything is free and do that immigration thing. Third, we have wandered well and truly off track of net neutrality. But I agree, schools should be more self funding. One simple idea, Perhaps their mechanics machine shops should do some simple repair work for those who are vetted as not being able to afford expensive work to their cars.... If its a case of scrap it or let the school have a look?... Of course a qualified mechanic must pass off on all work completed. Perhaps if that was the way Schools could afford stuff.... Moving on, Equality in the luxury world is you get what you paid for, and if you pay more, you get more. I say end of. However... paying at the other end. If say Amazon pay more that Freds cake shop, Amazon get more band width than Fred when it comes to internet traffic.... So what if a lot of us want to get the special offer at Freds?.... We have to wait. We dont like to wait. Some of us paid more to NOT wait. The idea that those customers paying more can jump the queue....?.... That aint good, is it?... child labor lawyers are now drooling... as for Amazon vs. Freds. I think you might be on to something. I'll use Budweiser and Rogue because those are the brands I am familiar with. feel free to substitute with your own mass market horse p*** and local craft brew. net neutrality is saying the grocer has to provide shelf space to sell both beers in the volumes customers desire. no net neutrality is saying the grocer is free to make Budweiser pay to have more shelf space in the store. for those who don't know, there is all kinds of negotiation that goes on between the store and the suppliers over who gets the best shelf space. |
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Post by kharnynb on Sept 13, 2014 19:25:49 GMT
The problem is that in the store has no problem with either brand or direct interest.
In net neutrality, what if timewarner's cable internet stops carrying the competition? or cripples their streams terribly
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2014 23:26:44 GMT
The problem is that in the store has no problem with either brand or direct interest. In net neutrality, what if timewarner's cable internet stops carrying the competition? or cripples their streams terribly that counts as a potential conflict of interest. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 14, 2014 8:55:17 GMT
I have an argument going on right now that is relevant.
A certain brand of beer who will remain nameless is trying to re-organize that bar to give their pumps more prevalence, as in, they want their pumps "Front and centre" in your main line of sight.
They reckon they will sell more beer.
This is a fracking FREE HOUSE.
We aint tied, there is your space, use it.
Now the committee that run the place have just "Woken up" to my complaints, they were not bothered, but due to my "Why do they get to choose where their pump goes?.. why are they allowed to re-organise our whole bar?.." questions, they are wiseing up to their game.
Of course, the next time the competition walks in, they will want THEIR pumps in the prime spot, so everything gets moved again....
Rogue company wants a lot of shelf space also to "Promote" the bottle beer... they will give us dummies, they know they wont sell much, but the idea is to get their name noticed, and hope this will promote draught beer sales.
So why should we sell more of their beer?...
If customers want, they will ask, if we over-sell theirs, we sell less of competitions beers, as in, on a week where we sell 1,000 gallons of draught bitter, its 1,000 gallons of either/or, promotions will not make that a magic 2,000 gallons.
So I suggest they can have the space, as long as we get some "Freebies".....
Huh?.. you offer me a couple of free drip trays?.. you insult me, I want barrels.
The Committee has no idea.
They honestly didnt think of this.
I KNOW, because I have used that trick in the past, they WILL pay for their promotion space, its just down to the right price for barter....
This is why I work there, I have well over 30 years of experience in Bar work, and as management, I know the tricks .... When I get Freebies, the Rep walks away grimacing..... he knows he just got turned over... but sod that, its in his budget, he knows the company he works for can absorb that cost in promotional budget, its just this time the customer wins.
So why are the companies fighting to pay for advertising space?... same reason companies fight for bandwidth.
Its all to do with the competition, more space makes more sales, at the expense of your competition.
And that is gold dust.....
Its not exactly YOU making profit, its making sure the competition doesnt.
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Post by the light works on Sept 14, 2014 14:09:23 GMT
I have an argument going on right now that is relevant. A certain brand of beer who will remain nameless is trying to re-organize that bar to give their pumps more prevalence, as in, they want their pumps "Front and centre" in your main line of sight. They reckon they will sell more beer. This is a fracking FREE HOUSE. We aint tied, there is your space, use it. Now the committee that run the place have just "Woken up" to my complaints, they were not bothered, but due to my "Why do they get to choose where their pump goes?.. why are they allowed to re-organise our whole bar?.." questions, they are wiseing up to their game. Of course, the next time the competition walks in, they will want THEIR pumps in the prime spot, so everything gets moved again.... Rogue company wants a lot of shelf space also to "Promote" the bottle beer... they will give us dummies, they know they wont sell much, but the idea is to get their name noticed, and hope this will promote draught beer sales. So why should we sell more of their beer?... If customers want, they will ask, if we over-sell theirs, we sell less of competitions beers, as in, on a week where we sell 1,000 gallons of draught bitter, its 1,000 gallons of either/or, promotions will not make that a magic 2,000 gallons. So I suggest they can have the space, as long as we get some "Freebies"..... Huh?.. you offer me a couple of free drip trays?.. you insult me, I want barrels. The Committee has no idea. They honestly didnt think of this. I KNOW, because I have used that trick in the past, they WILL pay for their promotion space, its just down to the right price for barter.... This is why I work there, I have well over 30 years of experience in Bar work, and as management, I know the tricks .... When I get Freebies, the Rep walks away grimacing..... he knows he just got turned over... but sod that, its in his budget, he knows the company he works for can absorb that cost in promotional budget, its just this time the customer wins. So why are the companies fighting to pay for advertising space?... same reason companies fight for bandwidth. Its all to do with the competition, more space makes more sales, at the expense of your competition. And that is gold dust..... Its not exactly YOU making profit, its making sure the competition doesnt. you have just described the American economy in one phrase. those who can't get any richer are now competing to make everyone else poorer. |
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Post by kharnynb on Sept 14, 2014 14:27:06 GMT
An isp is no bar or supermarket though, most times, you have little to no choice who you can use and cannot just walk the next moment into a different isp...
They should carry signal and get payed for use, same as phone companies.
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Post by the light works on Sept 14, 2014 14:37:26 GMT
An isp is no bar or supermarket though, most times, you have little to no choice who you can use and cannot just walk the next moment into a different isp... They should carry signal and get payed for use, same as phone companies. right, and deliver it in a quality according you what you have agreed to pay. which is too simple for them to use in an argument against net neutrality, so they release propaganda making it appear that it is actually requiring them to deliver the same bandwidth to the guy who buys the top tier service package and the guy who doesn't pay at all. because soshulizm. |
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Post by kharnynb on Sept 14, 2014 16:28:20 GMT
I wonder what would happen if google would do the opposite, and tell isp's that they'd have to pay for search and youtube, maybe farcebook could do the same....
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Post by the light works on Sept 14, 2014 21:11:28 GMT
I wonder what would happen if google would do the opposite, and tell isp's that they'd have to pay for search and youtube, maybe farcebook could do the same.... the ISPs would put in a paywall. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 15, 2014 8:14:10 GMT
My Proposition, you get what you pay for, and pay for what you get.
Charity asides here, but in all other cases, if you want to pay more, there is one born every minute, why should we stop you?...
But a clear pricing package that is inspected and passed as "Fair", with a quality commission and fair play council watching to make sure the lower pay packages are getting a fair deal.
I also say there should be exactly ZERO non- advertising packages in search engines.
As in, you carry advertising top and bottom in marked area's, the rest does NOT get paid for to get results higher up the page.... that is unfair...
Results should be relevant.
That council should also be responsible for removing non relevant ads.
Then it starts getting complicated.
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Post by the light works on Sept 15, 2014 13:59:33 GMT
My Proposition, you get what you pay for, and pay for what you get. Charity asides here, but in all other cases, if you want to pay more, there is one born every minute, why should we stop you?... But a clear pricing package that is inspected and passed as "Fair", with a quality commission and fair play council watching to make sure the lower pay packages are getting a fair deal. I also say there should be exactly ZERO non- advertising packages in search engines. As in, you carry advertising top and bottom in marked area's, the rest does NOT get paid for to get results higher up the page.... that is unfair... Results should be relevant. That council should also be responsible for removing non relevant ads. Then it starts getting complicated. simple rule: search engines should have a selection to ignore paid advertisements. also, the truth in advertising watchdogs should have the authority to enforce "click farming" operations. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 16, 2014 7:56:25 GMT
So the news is coming out.
Take Netflix, because its one we all know, they are being "Invited" to pay more to stream over certain ISP's because their service uses a lot more bandwidth.
Now, just because I am that cynical, if Netflix are invited to pay more, surely the customers at the other end are going to be invited to pay more as well.
And if Netflix have to pay more, will that cost be passed on to the customer?... Oh Yessssss.......
So, the customer always pays.
ISP's Clean up your act, we are on to you...
Those "inventors" trying to get us to buy into super high definition and then have to pay more to get/stream the same film... we are on to you as well.
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Post by kharnynb on Sept 16, 2014 9:34:09 GMT
I am paying for a high-speed, high volume internet, one of the reasons is netflix.
Why should netflix PAY for the priviledge of providing content that gives the isp a reason to charge me for more data ANYWAY....
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Post by the light works on Sept 16, 2014 14:12:00 GMT
I am paying for a high-speed, high volume internet, one of the reasons is netflix. Why should netflix PAY for the priviledge of providing content that gives the isp a reason to charge me for more data ANYWAY.... because capitalism and free market. which is how the capitalists and robber barons keep the peasants from realizing they are being systematically fleeced; and have the power to do something about it simply by refusing to do business with the offenders. - or by writing laws prohibiting the robber barons from making up their own rules. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 16, 2014 14:28:59 GMT
because capitalism and free market. which is how the capitalists and robber barons keep the peasants from realizing they are being systematically fleeced; and have the power to do something about it simply by refusing to do business with the offenders. - or by writing laws prohibiting the robber barons from making up their own rules. Any peasant who can't afford to get their car washed should be given free car washes. After all, only the rich shouldn't be driving clean cars. Those that own car washes could surly do their "fair share" to keep our roads clean. Maybe our capitalistic system isn't really as bad as some would try to have us believe. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 16, 2014 14:39:58 GMT
because capitalism and free market. which is how the capitalists and robber barons keep the peasants from realizing they are being systematically fleeced; and have the power to do something about it simply by refusing to do business with the offenders. - or by writing laws prohibiting the robber barons from making up their own rules. Any peasant who can't afford to get their car washed should be given free car washes. After all, only the rich shouldn't be driving clean cars. Those that own car washes could surly do their "fair share" to keep our roads clean. Maybe our capitalistic system isn't really as bad as some would try to have us believe. it is not, as long as it remains in balance. - but any unregulated system will ultimately devolve into a small group of people systematically fleecing the remainder of the people. capitalism usually takes a bit longer, because it is based on the reality of people being selfish; but all it takes is one group persuading another that they do not have the right to control their own resource. edit: which is to say that any peasant who cannot afford to take their car to the robber baron's car wash should be allowed to wash their car at home or to let it be dirty. |
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