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Post by the light works on Jul 27, 2024 21:56:36 GMT
well, aside from the fact professional killers don't typically fraternize with their assignments, it's a funny scenario. I'd do it more deadpan, and less self congratulatory. I'm trying to think of ways to encourage the players in my next campaign to think their way through, and I had the idea of presenting a situation in which a key NPC, a "retired" black ops agent, won a fight by being smarter rather than tougher. I envision a situation in which the NPC "encountered" the killer in a bar, manipulated the person's ego, and got them to do something utterly foolish and harmful in a misguided attempt at looking good. Maybe even have it that the agent only directly killed a small handful of people, and either subdued or outsmarted the rest. "so, well... he caught up to me in a bar. I talked him into one last drink. I bought him one. one drink led to many. I can tell you, he may have been a professional killer, but he sure wasn't a professional drinker."
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Post by ironhold on Aug 29, 2024 15:11:45 GMT
I think I might have put this one out here before, but -
"Project Foresight"
The idea for this one is that the US government hired a bunch of science fiction authors, tech authors, military fiction authors, and others to help brainstorm future threats, future solutions, and possible points of vulnerability, the logic being that these are subject matter experts who could potentially see what was on the horizon while also being aware of existing flaws in the systems.
Depending upon how I use it, it could be that either this brain trust succeeded in preventing bad things from happening, or were ignored / ridiculed and things went wrong.
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Post by the light works on Aug 29, 2024 15:34:36 GMT
I think I might have put this one out here before, but - "Project Foresight" The idea for this one is that the US government hired a bunch of science fiction authors, tech authors, military fiction authors, and others to help brainstorm future threats, future solutions, and possible points of vulnerability, the logic being that these are subject matter experts who could potentially see what was on the horizon while also being aware of existing flaws in the systems. Depending upon how I use it, it could be that either this brain trust succeeded in preventing bad things from happening, or were ignored / ridiculed and things went wrong. it does fit with the known history of science fiction being both an inspiration, and a source of ridicule in different real world scenarios.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Sept 4, 2024 12:18:42 GMT
I think I might have put this one out here before, but - "Project Foresight" The idea for this one is that the US government hired a bunch of science fiction authors, tech authors, military fiction authors, and others to help brainstorm future threats, future solutions, and possible points of vulnerability, the logic being that these are subject matter experts who could potentially see what was on the horizon while also being aware of existing flaws in the systems. Depending upon how I use it, it could be that either this brain trust succeeded in preventing bad things from happening, or were ignored / ridiculed and things went wrong. Or the tech/ideas where taken seriously by rogue elements and sold to enemies of th state.
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Post by the light works on Sept 4, 2024 12:35:05 GMT
I think I might have put this one out here before, but - "Project Foresight" The idea for this one is that the US government hired a bunch of science fiction authors, tech authors, military fiction authors, and others to help brainstorm future threats, future solutions, and possible points of vulnerability, the logic being that these are subject matter experts who could potentially see what was on the horizon while also being aware of existing flaws in the systems. Depending upon how I use it, it could be that either this brain trust succeeded in preventing bad things from happening, or were ignored / ridiculed and things went wrong. Or the tech/ideas where taken seriously by rogue elements and sold to enemies of th state. which could also have them acquiring radical new things, things that are silly and ridiculous, with the added complications of whether they are assessed correctly or incorrectly in either direction.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 4, 2024 16:36:40 GMT
I think I might have put this one out here before, but - "Project Foresight" The idea for this one is that the US government hired a bunch of science fiction authors, tech authors, military fiction authors, and others to help brainstorm future threats, future solutions, and possible points of vulnerability, the logic being that these are subject matter experts who could potentially see what was on the horizon while also being aware of existing flaws in the systems. Depending upon how I use it, it could be that either this brain trust succeeded in preventing bad things from happening, or were ignored / ridiculed and things went wrong. Or the tech/ideas where taken seriously by rogue elements and sold to enemies of th state. One possible idea I was considering involved a situation where a historian and author of militaria had pointed out how if a person got a particular type of clearance and followed a specified series of steps they could do considerable damage to such-and-such, only to be ignored by the powers-that-be... until a rogue individual who had that type of clearance found out about his warning, used it as a blueprint, adjusted the plan to have the guy killed during a television appearance (thick-knit suit jacket + thick stack of photos in his pocket to give away as autographs = like Teddy R, he survived despite serious injury), and then get *sued* by the government on the "logic" that if he had never told them about the vulnerability the rogue individual wouldn't have known about it. Cue half the sitting president's own party demanding that the president, the head of the program, and the government lawyer who filed the suit all fall on their metaphorical swords over the matter. Cue the *new* administration trying to win the guy back to assisting them, with various offers being on the table...
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Post by the light works on Sept 4, 2024 19:05:07 GMT
Or the tech/ideas where taken seriously by rogue elements and sold to enemies of th state. One possible idea I was considering involved a situation where a historian and author of militaria had pointed out how if a person got a particular type of clearance and followed a specified series of steps they could do considerable damage to such-and-such, only to be ignored by the powers-that-be... until a rogue individual who had that type of clearance found out about his warning, used it as a blueprint, adjusted the plan to have the guy killed during a television appearance (thick-knit suit jacket + thick stack of photos in his pocket to give away as autographs = like Teddy R, he survived despite serious injury), and then get *sued* by the government on the "logic" that if he had never told them about the vulnerability the rogue individual wouldn't have known about it. Cue half the sitting president's own party demanding that the president, the head of the program, and the government lawyer who filed the suit all fall on their metaphorical swords over the matter. Cue the *new* administration trying to win the guy back to assisting them, with various offers being on the table... have it that he warned of a vulnerability in the data system he designed - and had put in use before he was ready. and rather than an assassination attempt, the BG attempted to frame him for the breach. so until the dust settles, nobody can be really sure who the actual BG is. by my recollection, Alistair MacLean had a tendency to do that, with The Way To Dusty Death being an example.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 4, 2024 19:55:40 GMT
One possible idea I was considering involved a situation where a historian and author of militaria had pointed out how if a person got a particular type of clearance and followed a specified series of steps they could do considerable damage to such-and-such, only to be ignored by the powers-that-be... until a rogue individual who had that type of clearance found out about his warning, used it as a blueprint, adjusted the plan to have the guy killed during a television appearance (thick-knit suit jacket + thick stack of photos in his pocket to give away as autographs = like Teddy R, he survived despite serious injury), and then get *sued* by the government on the "logic" that if he had never told them about the vulnerability the rogue individual wouldn't have known about it. Cue half the sitting president's own party demanding that the president, the head of the program, and the government lawyer who filed the suit all fall on their metaphorical swords over the matter. Cue the *new* administration trying to win the guy back to assisting them, with various offers being on the table... have it that he warned of a vulnerability in the data system he designed - and had put in use before he was ready. and rather than an assassination attempt, the BG attempted to frame him for the breach. so until the dust settles, nobody can be really sure who the actual BG is. by my recollection, Alistair MacLean had a tendency to do that, with The Way To Dusty Death being an example. For what I'm toying with, I'm thinking of having it that the legal settlement he got from the government, combined with the surge in book sales due to the blitz of media attention, was enough that he was able to buy a tract of land outside of town, putting some distance between himself and regular human contact. It's not that he's agoraphobic, but that for obvious reasons he's not entirely in the mood to deal with a lot of people on a regular basis, especially in uncontrolled situations. Cue a questionably competent - and questionably ethical - bureaucrat deciding that the best way to get him back on the job is to dangle a sweet young thing in front of him as either bait to entice him in or a potential honey trap to coerce him in. Cue the sweet young thing being so used to city life that she has no idea how things work in his part of Flyover Country, making her stand out enough that it doesn't take long for him to figure out that there's an ulterior motive to her sudden reassignment. Hence some cat and mouse as he tries to figure out who is hoping to bait him and why.
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Post by the light works on Sept 5, 2024 0:18:09 GMT
have it that he warned of a vulnerability in the data system he designed - and had put in use before he was ready. and rather than an assassination attempt, the BG attempted to frame him for the breach. so until the dust settles, nobody can be really sure who the actual BG is. by my recollection, Alistair MacLean had a tendency to do that, with The Way To Dusty Death being an example. For what I'm toying with, I'm thinking of having it that the legal settlement he got from the government, combined with the surge in book sales due to the blitz of media attention, was enough that he was able to buy a tract of land outside of town, putting some distance between himself and regular human contact. It's not that he's agoraphobic, but that for obvious reasons he's not entirely in the mood to deal with a lot of people on a regular basis, especially in uncontrolled situations. Cue a questionably competent - and questionably ethical - bureaucrat deciding that the best way to get him back on the job is to dangle a sweet young thing in front of him as either bait to entice him in or a potential honey trap to coerce him in. Cue the sweet young thing being so used to city life that she has no idea how things work in his part of Flyover Country, making her stand out enough that it doesn't take long for him to figure out that there's an ulterior motive to her sudden reassignment. Hence some cat and mouse as he tries to figure out who is hoping to bait him and why. if you're going to go that route, have him write a fiction book, and the BG used what he said in the book to break in to do his dirty deed - whereupon the author becomes a suspect. then you can have him ALREADY ensconced in a small backwoods town, (because he's a successful author) and then you can have your SYT be the investigator. - and then assuming you want the author to be the hero, make it turn out that he just made up the entire scenario and didn't realize it would work. and ends up going through his other published works and figuring out what other things the bad guy copied, and guiding the FBI to catch him.
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Post by wvengineer on Sept 5, 2024 15:13:50 GMT
For what I'm toying with, I'm thinking of having it that the legal settlement he got from the government, combined with the surge in book sales due to the blitz of media attention Keep in mind that anyone writing a book about classified work is highly illegal. Even if details are leaked, anything that you do in a classified roll you have to keep secret until it is officially seamed not classified by the appropriate person. IF it is not officially deemed not classified, then you take it to your grave. On top of that, if you do anything to profit off of classified info (i.e. books, interview fees, etc.), not only do you get hit with fines and jail time, any profits or income from the work are forfeited to the government as well. Maybe part of the investigation into the hero is government people are trying to figure out if he did release classified info. What info did he have, was if classified, and did it come from a classified or not classified source? The BG could use that investigation to their advantage.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 5, 2024 15:37:20 GMT
For what I'm toying with, I'm thinking of having it that the legal settlement he got from the government, combined with the surge in book sales due to the blitz of media attention, was enough that he was able to buy a tract of land outside of town, putting some distance between himself and regular human contact. It's not that he's agoraphobic, but that for obvious reasons he's not entirely in the mood to deal with a lot of people on a regular basis, especially in uncontrolled situations. Cue a questionably competent - and questionably ethical - bureaucrat deciding that the best way to get him back on the job is to dangle a sweet young thing in front of him as either bait to entice him in or a potential honey trap to coerce him in. Cue the sweet young thing being so used to city life that she has no idea how things work in his part of Flyover Country, making her stand out enough that it doesn't take long for him to figure out that there's an ulterior motive to her sudden reassignment. Hence some cat and mouse as he tries to figure out who is hoping to bait him and why. if you're going to go that route, have him write a fiction book, and the BG used what he said in the book to break in to do his dirty deed - whereupon the author becomes a suspect. then you can have him ALREADY ensconced in a small backwoods town, (because he's a successful author) and then you can have your SYT be the investigator. - and then assuming you want the author to be the hero, make it turn out that he just made up the entire scenario and didn't realize it would work. and ends up going through his other published works and figuring out what other things the bad guy copied, and guiding the FBI to catch him. For what I'm toying with, I'm thinking of having it that the legal settlement he got from the government, combined with the surge in book sales due to the blitz of media attention Keep in mind that anyone writing a book about classified work is highly illegal. Even if details are leaked, anything that you do in a classified roll you have to keep secret until it is officially seamed not classified by the appropriate person. IF it is not officially deemed not classified, then you take it to your grave. On top of that, if you do anything to profit off of classified info (i.e. books, interview fees, etc.), not only do you get hit with fines and jail time, any profits or income from the work are forfeited to the government as well. Maybe part of the investigation into the hero is government people are trying to figure out if he did release classified info. What info did he have, was if classified, and did it come from a classified or not classified source? The BG could use that investigation to their advantage. It's my understanding that the FBI and several other alphabet soup agencies had to change their skivvies after they saw "Die Hard With A Vengeance" and realized that the film had actually exposed a legitimate flaw in the particular Federal Reserve building the bad guys were shown attacking. It turns out that the person who wrote the script simply spent a lot of time going over publicly-available maps of tunnel systems in NYC and discovered one that, by coincidence, ran right alongside the building in question. Cue the writer working backwards to develop a scenario in which the bad guys stage a diversion so that no one notices them knocking a hole out between the building and that one length of tunnel. Imagine a situation like that, where someone writes a work that gets the attention of the powers-that-be for all the wrong reasons. Once the powers-that-be get a dry pair on, they reach out, figure that the guy wrote what he wrote using publicly available information and a few educated guesses, and realize that maybe they ought to put him on retainer to help them identify possible trouble situations. It's one such trouble situation he identified that got used against everyone because it wasn't patched in time before the powers-that-be turned over.
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Post by wvengineer on Sept 6, 2024 15:23:10 GMT
Classified info can be a real pain in the *** to work with. Who handles the info matters a lot. There are plenty of times where classified info is based on readily available, not classified stuff. There are plenty of times where if you know the field you can come up with something that is determined to be classified.
So if a person does not hold a clearance, they do their research with publicly available sources and are able to come up with something that happens to be something that is classified, while the government may not like it, it is perfectly legal. Usually the government will need to re-evaluate that information to see if it is classified correctly. However, if a person has (or even had) a clearance, and they expose information that is deemed classified, even if they can show that they obtained it from publicly available sources, That particular information is still considered classified regardless of the source. They will still get in trouble and depending on the severity, could potentially face fines and/or jail. Any money they make off of that info will defiantly be forfeit. It doesn't matter the source. it is considered protected info and they are required to keep it secret.
Yes, there is a double standard when dealing with classified info. A person with a clearance is held to a much higher standard than a non-cleared person. So if someone had a clearance, but later left that world, but publish something that happens to contain classified info, they will be investigated and potentially tried. They would need to be able to show that not only did they get it from publicly available sources, but that they did not have access to the information back when they did have a clearance. Because even if it comes from a public source, if there is reasonable suspicion it may also be from a classified source, then things will get messy.
That whole classified/non-classified can be a real pain to deal with, especially if your job deals with both sides of the line. I am SOOOO glad to be out of that world. Way more headache than it is worth.
For the story at question, here are a couple ideas off the top of my head: 1. Due to changes in operations and personal, the hero would not have been around the info in question and would not have had access while they were there. That group would only have access to the materiel after the hero left. 2. The hero worked with the team, but was not actually cleared him/herself. So when he publish a book with classified info in it, he has all the deniability he needs, but that raises questions about if he had access to stuff he should not have. Did he do something he shouldn't, or did someone else drop the ball?
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Post by the light works on Sept 6, 2024 15:56:24 GMT
Classified info can be a real pain in the *** to work with. Who handles the info matters a lot. There are plenty of times where classified info is based on readily available, not classified stuff. There are plenty of times where if you know the field you can come up with something that is determined to be classified. So if a person does not hold a clearance, they do their research with publicly available sources and are able to come up with something that happens to be something that is classified, while the government may not like it, it is perfectly legal. Usually the government will need to re-evaluate that information to see if it is classified correctly. However, if a person has (or even had) a clearance, and they expose information that is deemed classified, even if they can show that they obtained it from publicly available sources, That particular information is still considered classified regardless of the source. They will still get in trouble and depending on the severity, could potentially face fines and/or jail. Any money they make off of that info will defiantly be forfeit. It doesn't matter the source. it is considered protected info and they are required to keep it secret. Yes, there is a double standard when dealing with classified info. A person with a clearance is held to a much higher standard than a non-cleared person. So if someone had a clearance, but later left that world, but publish something that happens to contain classified info, they will be investigated and potentially tried. They would need to be able to show that not only did they get it from publicly available sources, but that they did not have access to the information back when they did have a clearance. Because even if it comes from a public source, if there is reasonable suspicion it may also be from a classified source, then things will get messy. That whole classified/non-classified can be a real pain to deal with, especially if your job deals with both sides of the line. I am SOOOO glad to be out of that world. Way more headache than it is worth. For the story at question, here are a couple ideas off the top of my head: 1. Due to changes in operations and personal, the hero would not have been around the info in question and would not have had access while they were there. That group would only have access to the materiel after the hero left. 2. The hero worked with the team, but was not actually cleared him/herself. So when he publish a book with classified info in it, he has all the deniability he needs, but that raises questions about if he had access to stuff he should not have. Did he do something he shouldn't, or did someone else drop the ball? to simplify: if a layman compiles public information, and gets a conclusion that matches classified information, he didn't know it was classified. if a person with clearance assembles public information in such a way it shows people without clearance, information that matches classified information, he should have known better.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 6, 2024 17:48:59 GMT
Classified info can be a real pain in the *** to work with. It doesn't even have to be classified information. For example, in the late 1970s an author wrote a book explaining at length a catastrophic flaw in the Social Security system. How it worked was that in the days before everything was connected by computers, the death of a child often wouldn't be reported to Social Security and so their SSN would still be valid. If a person got lucky, they could pull the information of someone who died as a child, use that information to get a "replacement" Social Security card in the child's name, and then use that Social Security card in order to obtain new documentation (such as a driver's license or even passport) in the name of the deceased. One YouTube channel that looked at the creepy & spooky estimated that over a thousand people used the work to commit identity theft before the federal government caught on to what was happening in the 1990s and began plugging everything back up. Imagine a scenario like this, where a writer does a missive in which he says "Yeah, such-and-such is so broken that you could actually do so-and-so and with a little bit of luck nobody would even know." Or something like the aforementioned Die Hard movie where a set of publicly-available maps showing tunnel systems was used to make a heist film. Now imagine how the government would react to the author of such a work and why they might feel inclined to let them loose on trying to ferret out other issues provided they keep their *subsequent* findings secret.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 13, 2024 15:23:09 GMT
Scenario that came to me -
Female Character A hyper-specializes in a niche in the belief that it's the best, fastest way for her to rise up through the system. At first, she's correct. But then a crisis happens and she's high enough up that she has to help deal with it, and her hyper-specialization actually proves such a hindrance that she makes a series of terrible decisions due to lack of training and experience.
In contrast, Male Lead, who decided to pursue a more rounded Jack Of All Trades approach to life, actually had enough knowledge and training to size up the situation, rally a group of mission specialists who could help him, and mitigate the damage from the crisis situation. It was too late for him to totally prevent things from going utterly sideways, but he at least salvaged what he could and kept the situation from being a total loss.
Cue Male Lead getting the promotion that Female Character A was wanting *and* Female Character A being demoted to being another one of his mission specialists as punishment for falling down on the job. As a further twist of the metaphorical knife, Female Character A is assigned to work with Female Character B, a partnership FCA takes as a punishment detail of some sort when in fact she's supposed to be *cross-training* FCB.
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2024 16:16:20 GMT
Scenario that came to me - Female Character A hyper-specializes in a niche in the belief that it's the best, fastest way for her to rise up through the system. At first, she's correct. But then a crisis happens and she's high enough up that she has to help deal with it, and her hyper-specialization actually proves such a hindrance that she makes a series of terrible decisions due to lack of training and experience. In contrast, Male Lead, who decided to pursue a more rounded Jack Of All Trades approach to life, actually had enough knowledge and training to size up the situation, rally a group of mission specialists who could help him, and mitigate the damage from the crisis situation. It was too late for him to totally prevent things from going utterly sideways, but he at least salvaged what he could and kept the situation from being a total loss. Cue Male Lead getting the promotion that Female Character A was wanting *and* Female Character A being demoted to being another one of his mission specialists as punishment for falling down on the job. As a further twist of the metaphorical knife, Female Character A is assigned to work with Female Character B, a partnership FCA takes as a punishment detail of some sort when in fact she's supposed to be *cross-training* FCB. in all honesty, it sounds like a setup for gender baiting. you're going to be hard pressed in that scenario to write the story in such a way that character A's bad judgement is not gender based. consider: gender swap the two characters so it's a man whose tunnel vision causes him to fall down on the job, while he woman has a broader skillset and team skills to succeed. would you not be predisposed to dismiss the scenario as an attack on masculinity?
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Post by ironhold on Sept 13, 2024 17:55:02 GMT
Scenario that came to me - Female Character A hyper-specializes in a niche in the belief that it's the best, fastest way for her to rise up through the system. At first, she's correct. But then a crisis happens and she's high enough up that she has to help deal with it, and her hyper-specialization actually proves such a hindrance that she makes a series of terrible decisions due to lack of training and experience. In contrast, Male Lead, who decided to pursue a more rounded Jack Of All Trades approach to life, actually had enough knowledge and training to size up the situation, rally a group of mission specialists who could help him, and mitigate the damage from the crisis situation. It was too late for him to totally prevent things from going utterly sideways, but he at least salvaged what he could and kept the situation from being a total loss. Cue Male Lead getting the promotion that Female Character A was wanting *and* Female Character A being demoted to being another one of his mission specialists as punishment for falling down on the job. As a further twist of the metaphorical knife, Female Character A is assigned to work with Female Character B, a partnership FCA takes as a punishment detail of some sort when in fact she's supposed to be *cross-training* FCB. in all honesty, it sounds like a setup for gender baiting. you're going to be hard pressed in that scenario to write the story in such a way that character A's bad judgement is not gender based. consider: gender swap the two characters so it's a man whose tunnel vision causes him to fall down on the job, while he woman has a broader skillset and team skills to succeed. would you not be predisposed to dismiss the scenario as an attack on masculinity? That's why I wanted a second opinion on it.
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Post by the light works on Sept 13, 2024 18:17:25 GMT
in all honesty, it sounds like a setup for gender baiting. you're going to be hard pressed in that scenario to write the story in such a way that character A's bad judgement is not gender based. consider: gender swap the two characters so it's a man whose tunnel vision causes him to fall down on the job, while he woman has a broader skillset and team skills to succeed. would you not be predisposed to dismiss the scenario as an attack on masculinity? That's why I wanted a second opinion on it. the simple solution, assuming you can't do enough development to establish character A as a person who is trying to take shortcuts to game the system; is to simply make them the same gender as the hero.
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Post by ironhold on Sept 16, 2024 20:11:37 GMT
Might use this for a tabletop role-playing campaign. Might use it for something else. Not sure yet -
"All right peeps, here's the situation. See those profiles you just got handed? Group of trust fund babies who got smoked in a public debate on their college campus a few weeks ago. Seems that in response to being smoked so badly, they decided to prove how hardcore they are about activism by paying a group of mercenaries someone's daddy had on speed-dial to insert them into Afghanistan so they could go do their activism there. They were inserted twenty-four hours ago, and six hours after that they sent out a pre-arranged distress signal asking those same mercenaries to come pick them up. The mercenaries made it to the established rendezvous point, but only found Taliban fighters. Once the mercenaries got out of that firefight, they called the State Department, who took its dear sweet time calling us. You all are new enough that it's unlikely any hostiles know your names or faces, so that's why you've been volunteered to come with us. Odds are they're already dead, but they have some high-profile parents who won't be satisfied until they know one way or another. We leave as soon as they finish loading the planes. The Taliban can't know we're involved, which is why we'll be going in and out in technicals and with black market gear. Try not to get killed."
(The missing individuals were being interrogated as possible foreign spies until one of them said who their parents were, and now the Taliban is trying to negotiate a ransom. This is such a big deal that the local fighters are talking a little too loudly about it, and so if the party successfully listens to a few the party will get an idea where everyone is and what the present status is.)
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Post by the light works on Sept 17, 2024 0:15:32 GMT
Might use this for a tabletop role-playing campaign. Might use it for something else. Not sure yet - "All right peeps, here's the situation. See those profiles you just got handed? Group of trust fund babies who got smoked in a public debate on their college campus a few weeks ago. Seems that in response to being smoked so badly, they decided to prove how hardcore they are about activism by paying a group of mercenaries someone's daddy had on speed-dial to insert them into Afghanistan so they could go do their activism there. They were inserted twenty-four hours ago, and six hours after that they sent out a pre-arranged distress signal asking those same mercenaries to come pick them up. The mercenaries made it to the established rendezvous point, but only found Taliban fighters. Once the mercenaries got out of that firefight, they called the State Department, who took its dear sweet time calling us. You all are new enough that it's unlikely any hostiles know your names or faces, so that's why you've been volunteered to come with us. Odds are they're already dead, but they have some high-profile parents who won't be satisfied until they know one way or another. We leave as soon as they finish loading the planes. The Taliban can't know we're involved, which is why we'll be going in and out in technicals and with black market gear. Try not to get killed." (The missing individuals were being interrogated as possible foreign spies until one of them said who their parents were, and now the Taliban is trying to negotiate a ransom. This is such a big deal that the local fighters are talking a little too loudly about it, and so if the party successfully listens to a few the party will get an idea where everyone is and what the present status is.) if you really want to throw down; make them so annoying that nobody in-country wants to help them; so the team essentially has to promise to take them out of country and make sure they never come back.
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