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Post by WhutScreenName on Mar 7, 2023 18:10:06 GMT
I think this could easily fit into this thread, where we can have a full conversation about it. - - I'm linking back to where this conversation started so everyone has a chance to read it all. Starts Here but please keep your comments in this thread. Thanks! don't forget the whole thing started with "reefer madness" and in point of fact, I've talked to multiple people for whom marijuana is a more useful pain reliever than narcotics - because it makes the pain tolerable without otherwise impairing them. and it's pretty easy to tell the honest medicinal users from the ones who are using it to treat sobriety, because the medicinal users admit it has side effects. My friend who passed away only a few months ago, after beating cancer 3 separate times, was an avid user. For him, it wasn't about the pain, it was about apatite. Without using, he couldn't eat anything, and lost an unhealthy amount weight. It was either use, or be on feeding tubes. Personally, I have always been on the side of using for medicinal purposes. It makes no sense to me that a Dr. can prescribe Chemo, which literally kills your body, and not marijuana to help treat the side effects from the chemo. |
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Post by rmc on Mar 7, 2023 20:04:52 GMT
don't forget the whole thing started with "reefer madness" and in point of fact, I've talked to multiple people for whom marijuana is a more useful pain reliever than narcotics - because it makes the pain tolerable without otherwise impairing them. and it's pretty easy to tell the honest medicinal users from the ones who are using it to treat sobriety, because the medicinal users admit it has side effects. That's not really my point, now is it? The point is after being routinely told that recreational use was not the goal of the "legalization" process, it was made the goal. That point relates and retells the problem with "we're NOT after your gas stoves, with our little gas stoves causing lung cancer 'study'" And, anyway, "reefer madness" is a thing for some. So, it becoming a PSA of sorts isn't hard to understand. The whole potential for psychosis and paranoia are well understood and covered in depth here: (Of course, you'll no doubt not watch any of this and, instead, try some other twisty twist turn of points and ideas... after all, you do have to have The Last Word, TLW, as we all know... and love) |
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Post by the light works on Mar 8, 2023 2:44:31 GMT
don't forget the whole thing started with "reefer madness" and in point of fact, I've talked to multiple people for whom marijuana is a more useful pain reliever than narcotics - because it makes the pain tolerable without otherwise impairing them. and it's pretty easy to tell the honest medicinal users from the ones who are using it to treat sobriety, because the medicinal users admit it has side effects. That's not really my point, now is it? The point is after being routinely told that recreational use was not the goal of the "legalization" process, it was made the goal. That point relates and retells the problem with "we're NOT after your gas stoves, with our little gas stoves causing lung cancer 'study'" And, anyway, "reefer madness" is a thing for some. So, it becoming a PSA of sorts isn't hard to understand. The whole potential for psychosis and paranoia are well understood and covered in depth here: (Of course, you'll no doubt not watch any of this and, instead, try some other twisty twist turn of points and ideas... after all, you do have to have The Last Word, TLW, as we all know... and love) I personally think there's a good reason they call it "dope" but the fact of the matter is, objectiveness is in relatively short supply on both sides of the marijuana issue. as for gas stoves, one side is stating something that anybody with half a brain should know: namely that adding combustion products to the indoors makes the indoor environment less healthy. the other side is claiming that the one side is planning on sending jackbooted thugs to take away your gas stove. meanwhile, I'm putting in 12-14 hour workdays, trying to be in four places at once, and operating on the ragged edge of exhauston driven psychosis. so I'm just a little bit tetchy. |
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Post by rmc on Mar 8, 2023 8:51:27 GMT
That's not really my point, now is it? The point is after being routinely told that recreational use was not the goal of the "legalization" process, it was made the goal. That point relates and retells the problem with "we're NOT after your gas stoves, with our little gas stoves causing lung cancer 'study'" And, anyway, "reefer madness" is a thing for some. So, it becoming a PSA of sorts isn't hard to understand. The whole potential for psychosis and paranoia are well understood and covered in depth here: (Of course, you'll no doubt not watch any of this and, instead, try some other twisty twist turn of points and ideas... after all, you do have to have The Last Word, TLW, as we all know... and love) I personally think there's a good reason they call it "dope" but the fact of the matter is, objectiveness is in relatively short supply on both sides of the marijuana issue. as for gas stoves, one side is stating something that anybody with half a brain should know: namely that adding combustion products to the indoors makes the indoor environment less healthy. the other side is claiming that the one side is planning on sending jackbooted thugs to take away your gas stove. meanwhile, I'm putting in 12-14 hour workdays, trying to be in four places at once, and operating on the ragged edge of exhauston driven psychosis. so I'm just a little bit tetchy. We know "fire hot" and "smoke bad"...(yes, including "invisible" smoke, harmful gases, etc... equally managed well enough over time) It's just that after such an engulfingly long period of time of our managing indoor "combustion" well enough ourselves, having the nanny state suspiciously step in and tell us that they are only "doing us a favor" by pointing to a supposed "study" regarding a link between cancer and gas stoves, AND that identifying thusly WILL NOT result in gas stove removal, definitely brings to mind previous statements and declarations where studies regarding marijuana use for "medical purposes" were NOT going to bring about legalizing it for recreational use. And, we plainly saw how that turned out. In other words, trust earned ... NOT! Such that when you declare that any studies said to identify a direct link between lung cancer and indoor gas stove cooking will NOT somehow result in the removal of said gas stoves,.. well, I have my doubts. Especially, when there is a bit of a crisis in the state of science today regarding publishing, the peer review process in general, etc. and the resulting questionable quality of said "studies". |
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Post by the light works on Mar 8, 2023 13:05:46 GMT
I personally think there's a good reason they call it "dope" but the fact of the matter is, objectiveness is in relatively short supply on both sides of the marijuana issue. as for gas stoves, one side is stating something that anybody with half a brain should know: namely that adding combustion products to the indoors makes the indoor environment less healthy. the other side is claiming that the one side is planning on sending jackbooted thugs to take away your gas stove. meanwhile, I'm putting in 12-14 hour workdays, trying to be in four places at once, and operating on the ragged edge of exhauston driven psychosis. so I'm just a little bit tetchy. We know "fire hot" and "smoke bad"...(yes, including "invisible" smoke, harmful gases, etc... equally managed well enough over time) It's just that after such an engulfingly long period of time of our managing indoor "combustion" well enough ourselves, having the nanny state suspiciously step in and tell us that they are only "doing us a favor" by pointing to a supposed "study" regarding a link between cancer and gas stoves, AND that identifying thusly WILL NOT result in gas stove removal, definitely brings to mind previous statements and declarations where studies regarding marijuana use for "medical purposes" were NOT going to bring about legalizing it for recreational use. And, we plainly saw how that turned out. In other words, trust earned ... NOT! Such that when you declare that any studies said to identify a direct link between lung cancer and indoor gas stove cooking will NOT somehow result in the removal of said gas stoves,.. well, I have my doubts. Especially, when there is a bit of a crisis in the state of science today regarding publishing, the peer review process in general, etc. and the resulting questionable quality of said "studies". I'm still not seeing a direct link between activists slowly persuading the government to allow something they consider dangerous, and the government sneakily setting up a mechanism to take away something. I mean, look how long it has taken to get nicotine use reduced by... 68%. (50-60 years) |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 8, 2023 13:34:47 GMT
Condemning gas stoves has nothing to do with indoor air quality or lung cancer. It has to do with the elimination of fossil fuels. But those that want to eliminate fossil fuels can’t say that, so they have to make the general public believe it’s because of health risks associated with gas stoves. And what about electric stoves? We have an electric stove and the smoke detector goes off every time my wife cooks dinner. Something must be polluting the indoor environment every time she prepares her burnt offerings.
Besides, why worry about gas stoves when we’re all going to die from the climate crisis in 10 years. And if the climate crisis doesn’t do us in, the nuclear war will. You don’t have to take my word for it, just follow the “science”.
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Post by the light works on Mar 8, 2023 13:49:08 GMT
Condemning gas stoves has nothing to do with indoor air quality or lung cancer. It has to do with the elimination of fossil fuels. But those that want to eliminate fossil fuels can’t say that, so they have to make the general public believe it’s because of health risks associated with gas stoves. And what about electric stoves? We have an electric stove and the smoke detector goes off every time my wife cooks dinner. Something must be polluting the indoor environment every time she prepares her burnt offerings. Besides, why worry about gas stoves when we’re all going to die from the climate crisis in 10 years. And if the climate crisis doesn’t do us in, the nuclear war will. You don’t have to take my word for it, just follow the “science”. as I said, every stove and every oven should have an effective exhaust system. and yes, fossil fuels are becoming more expensive to extract. and yes, the weather is becoming more volatile. and some people's reaction to that is to double down on business as usual. builders are not building houses to the climate zone they are building in - they're building exactly the same houses in Texas, and Michigan. people are getting less and less willing to adapt to reality and more inclined to buy inefficient cookie cutter disposable everything. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 8, 2023 14:13:43 GMT
Adapt to reality? And exactly who’s reality are we supposed to adapt to? The one that tells us that men are women and a climate crisis is going to eliminate all life if we don’t act NOW! Or the one that tells us if you’re alive, you’re a natural born racist.
And yes, fossil fuel is getting much more expensive to extract and use. Gee, I wonder why? Exactly what’s happened in the last two years to make that the case because it was cheap and in plentiful supply before January 6, 2020. But I’m sure that doesn’t fit your “reality”.
As for venting all stoves, yeah, that makes sense. No cancer study required.
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Post by the light works on Mar 9, 2023 1:19:39 GMT
Adapt to reality? And exactly who’s reality are we supposed to adapt to? The one that tells us that men are women and a climate crisis is going to eliminate all life if we don’t act NOW! Or the one that tells us if you’re alive, you’re a natural born racist. And yes, fossil fuel is getting much more expensive to extract and use. Gee, I wonder why? Exactly what’s happened in the last two years to make that the case because it was cheap and in plentiful supply before January 6, 2020. But I’m sure that doesn’t fit your “reality”. As for venting all stoves, yeah, that makes sense. No cancer study required. on that note, the natural price of diesel is below $4.00 here, and gasoline is below $4.00 even at the expensive station. but yeah, my reality is that every time gas prices get low enough to cut into oil companies' profit margins, oops, there's a refinery fire or a pipeline problem. every time there's a democrat up for election, there's a refinery fire or a pipeline problem. my reality is oil companies are whining about not being allowed to drill, but are also sitting on 25 million acres of leases, with over 9000 drilling permits they aren't using. westernpriorities.org/2022/03/by-the-numbers-oil-industry-awash-in-permits-leases-while-pushing-for-more-drilling%EF%BF%BC/it's almost like fossil fuel companies are trying to manipulate prices and public opinion to increase their profits. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 9, 2023 2:41:14 GMT
When T rump left office, regular was running just a little over $2.00 here. Now it's "down" to around $3.50. So if the Republicans are out to take care of those evil oil companies, why was gas the cheapest, and oil company profits the lowest, under the Republican administration?
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Post by the light works on Mar 9, 2023 4:47:52 GMT
When T rump left office, regular was running just a little over $2.00 here. Now it's "down" to around $3.50. So if the Republicans are out to take care of those evil oil companies, why was gas the cheapest, and oil company profits the lowest, under the Republican administration? there's the little fact that nobody in their right mind was going places. so a third less demand than in 2019. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 9, 2023 6:00:07 GMT
When T rump left office, regular was running just a little over $2.00 here. Now it's "down" to around $3.50. So if the Republicans are out to take care of those evil oil companies, why was gas the cheapest, and oil company profits the lowest, under the Republican administration? there's the little fact that nobody in their right mind was going places. so a third less demand than in 2019. Average price of gas in 2019 was still only $2.60. That was long before the lock-down and people were still on the move. |
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Post by rmc on Mar 9, 2023 11:06:17 GMT
So let's call into question how people out on the range use propane, or other gas, and likely cook with it (successfully, by the way) and maybe have no "hood" either.... you know, those quirky country A-holes who've managed somehow to remain "off the grid"...
Meanwhile, colleges, high schools, (even some research labs too) all apparently get a pass with regard to Bunsen Burners all lit up, several units going at a time, all usually without a hood (at least in the poor communities, inner city high schools - usually no major ventilation, several burners going at once, per class session... usually class after class all day on the days bunsen burners are required... I remember it that way)
So, as far as a people go, who are we really targeting here? (Assuming there is also something else going on here besides fossil fuel considerations)
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Post by the light works on Mar 9, 2023 14:58:04 GMT
there's the little fact that nobody in their right mind was going places. so a third less demand than in 2019. Average price of gas in 2019 was still only $2.60. That was long before the lock-down and people were still on the move. and in 2008, gas was $4.11 a gallon.  |
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Post by the light works on Mar 9, 2023 14:59:41 GMT
So let's call into question how people out on the range use propane, or other gas, and likely cook with it (successfully, by the way) and maybe have no "hood" either.... you know, those quirky country A-holes who've managed somehow to remain "off the grid"... Meanwhile, colleges, high schools, (even some research labs too) all apparently get a pass with regard to Bunsen Burners all lit up, several units going at a time, all usually without a hood (at least in the poor communities, inner city high schools - usually no major ventilation, several burners going at once, per class session... usually class after class all day on the days bunsen burners are required... I remember it that way) So, as far as a people go, who are we really targeting here? (Assuming there is also something else going on here besides fossil fuel considerations) I doubt schools use actual heating equipment in science labs, now. or really do any actual experiments. they probably only have enough budget to watch youtube videos, with ads. |
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Post by rmc on Mar 9, 2023 15:27:44 GMT
So let's call into question how people out on the range use propane, or other gas, and likely cook with it (successfully, by the way) and maybe have no "hood" either.... you know, those quirky country A-holes who've managed somehow to remain "off the grid"... Meanwhile, colleges, high schools, (even some research labs too) all apparently get a pass with regard to Bunsen Burners all lit up, several units going at a time, all usually without a hood (at least in the poor communities, inner city high schools - usually no major ventilation, several burners going at once, per class session... usually class after class all day on the days bunsen burners are required... I remember it that way) So, as far as a people go, who are we really targeting here? (Assuming there is also something else going on here besides fossil fuel considerations) I doubt schools use actual heating equipment in science labs, now. or really do any actual experiments. they probably only have enough budget to watch youtube videos, with ads. Metropolitan Community College 2012, I was in a room with thirty other students grouped about five per table, six Bunsen Burners blasting away, full blast... the next hour's class doing the same... the ones before us, just the same. Schools do use Bunsen Burners. Apparently WITHOUT hoods or chimneys often enough. Just stop. |
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Post by the light works on Mar 10, 2023 4:26:47 GMT
I doubt schools use actual heating equipment in science labs, now. or really do any actual experiments. they probably only have enough budget to watch youtube videos, with ads. Metropolitan Community College 2012, I was in a room with thirty other students grouped about five per table, six Bunsen Burners blasting away, full blast... the next hour's class doing the same... the ones before us, just the same. Schools do use Bunsen Burners. Apparently WITHOUT hoods or chimneys often enough. Just stop. 11 years is a bit of a while. ucanr.edu/sites/safety/files/1366.pdf |
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Post by rmc on Mar 10, 2023 9:27:36 GMT
Metropolitan Community College 2012, I was in a room with thirty other students grouped about five per table, six Bunsen Burners blasting away, full blast... the next hour's class doing the same... the ones before us, just the same. Schools do use Bunsen Burners. Apparently WITHOUT hoods or chimneys often enough. Just stop. 11 years is a bit of a while. ucanr.edu/sites/safety/files/1366.pdfContacted the department. No changes. And, more importantly, NO CHANGES IN THE WORKS EITHER! Your pdf is nothing new. Standard warning. They've known these things from the start, AND HAVE MANAGED THE ISSUES INVOLVED WITH VARIOUS FORMS OF INDOOR FIRE WELL ENOUGH ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT THE NANNY STATE. But, no. We'll study (specifically) the gas stoves in "homes", (having proposed corrections to this supposed "problem" too) but leave out studying specifically Bunsen Burners. Bunsen Burners, continuing with original commonsense warnings and guidelines get a pass, apparently. Meanwhile, those nasty 'ol hick propane stoves and whatnot gotta be mo' scrutinized. I see. So, some guy out in the country, occasionally cooking a sausage or whatever has to have his cooking equipment studied, even though he likely opens a window if needed, when HE feels it's needed. He likely has only a few people indoors with him, such that building CO2 levels are alright. Because he's only doing this on the occasion that he needs to cook. But, that situation sets off the "alarm bells" does it? Because, after all, we suddenly care SO much about hicks, but could give a rat's arse about students, apparently. So, on some campus, they set up Bunsen Burners in a class that generally does class work (no fancy, extra ventilation installed), and burn several burners at the same time, while the room is crowded with people... and they do this, on this day, repeatedly, all day... No alarm bells. It's the hick's stove that has got to be "the problem". Hmm. Yes. I see. Could it be we are setting up to try and force the hick onto a potentially more expensive electrical grid, (rather than his continuing on his own with propane, solar and whatnot), and that it is payback in some way, for an election that we hate? Is that where this study ultimately takes us? Dealing mostly with "hicks"? I personally doubt it was ever really conceived this way. My suggestion is just as goofy as anything suggested by social warriors in the past, however. Also,I do know several "country hicks" off the grid who will more than likely see it that they've been targeted, if things go poorly for them. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. (I suspect it will be about like we saw with marijuana studies ultimately being more about recreational use than any "solely medical use for special cases!" type of deal. In other words, the studies will end up doing MUCH more than originally suggested) So, give the students a pass, even though it may be as equally dangerous for them. In the meantime, start jacking with Hank Hill and his propane and propane accessories. Got it. . . . |
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 10, 2023 14:43:43 GMT
Meanwhile in California, it has been determined that gasoline leaf blowers are the problem.  |
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Post by the light works on Mar 10, 2023 15:40:08 GMT
Meanwhile in California, it has been determined that gasoline leaf blowers are the problem. better lock your garage so that bad biden can't come and take away your machine for moving a leaf from one side of your yard to another side in the noisiest way possible. |
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don't forget the whole thing started with "reefer madness"
