|
|
Post by Lokifan on May 24, 2015 12:51:06 GMT
Going further and further OT: I'll agree that the idea of mixing alcohol and coffee predates the 1940s probably by...oh...say centuries?  Isn't that kind of what you do with a bar and too much time? Hmm, lemme see, what goes good with what? But, as far as an item on the menu called "Irish Coffee" in America, those more fanatic than me point to the Pan Am days as the originator. Note that it's in reference to a specific concoction with a specific ratio of ingredients in as specific physical arrangement; here's the local story in full. After all, you can just pour equal parts ale and stout into a pint glass, but it's not a real Black and Tan (or half and half if you're Irish) unless you pour the ale in first, then follow with the stout over a spoon so they don't mix, right? You should also kow that the "Mai Tai" is a local invention (Trader Vic's), not a Hawaiian one as some heretics have claimed. The fight over who originated that one actually went to court. The fact that it did so makes me pretty sure the Buena Vista claim is accurate, or someone else would have sued... |
|
|
|
Post by the light works on May 24, 2015 14:38:00 GMT
I just found out that the "knowledge" we all thought we knew came from a case study of ONE person. The idea that Alcohol dehydrates you.... That is a confirmed MYTH. I watched with interest where two twins checked on the myth, by measuring how much waste they produced, as in pee in a bucket, over 24hrs, and the difference between the two who kept a similar diet except one drank a sizeable amount of alcohol, the difference in outflow was "Negligible", less than one cup of tea's worth. NO ONE has bothered to check up on this "fact"?..... I gotta ask, is this not worth getting Adam and Jamie drunk for?... I think that test might have been lacking in a bit of quantification. you also want to measure starting and finishing hydration levels. however, you might also test whether the alcohol makes you pee more or it is simply the higher volume you are ingesting that leads to increased urination. I think the finding of a maximally rigorous research would be that consuming alcohol tends to leave a person dehydrated in the morning, because they DON'T drink enough water to maintain proper hydration when they are on a binge. |
|
|
|
Post by the light works on May 24, 2015 14:39:29 GMT
that may be BUSTED, afraid to say. I know that my Great Grandfather used to serve alcoholic Coffee.... And he put Brandy in tea as well. It wasnt just our own family, we were not the first, it was a common thing... Of course, we didnt have "Baileys" in those days, but then again, the recipe for alcoholic sweetened cream has also been in my family for many years, again, its not a specialised thing, we just took what was around elsewhere... But, I hear you shout, Your BRITISH, and your Grandfather was as well?... Erm, not so fast there, remember I am part Canadian, and that goes back a few generations. Well, I have to tell you, there is evidence that the 'Murican part of my Canadian greater family knew of putting alcohol in coffee even before coffee was popular in UK. Great Granddad may have even got his idea originally from the 'Murican/Canadian part of my family. History is kind of vague about it, but, we definitely do pay respects to the worldwide family when we start putting alcohol in out hot drinks in my family. I always thought or believed that putting a shot in your brew came from well back when, maybe even as early as the invention of Alcohol and Tea and Coffee got together in the same shop.. or Public House, or bar?... And the Irish can go peat themselves, it was not their idea first, they just made it popular "Again"... Check Jerusalem Artichoke. Its neither an artichoke, nor is it from Jerusalem. I say that to explain the idea that just because it has a "local" name does not mean its originally from there. Just as the Irish are not the last word on Potatoes and Potcheen. Irish Coffee is a brand name of a mixed beverage, much as a Rum and Coke cannot be made with Pepsi and still be a rum and Coke. |
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on May 25, 2015 9:26:08 GMT
Ahhh... I think we are running with the same idea that the idea is that it is NOT a specific trademark registered Brand name, and can never be, its "Irish [style] coffee"?...
The Irish have tried to trademark it, but, they cant.
The Melton Mowbray pork Pie is trademarked copyrighted, because its a certain product made the same distinct way that it always has been, and there is documented evidence of a historic recipe that is definitely local to that area, so it has local status, and has now been protected to ensure other people do not use cheep alternatives, nor can it be made outside Melton Mowbray and use that name, its an area wide trademark.
So trademark the Irish [style] coffee, Not "over here", or over where you are, because there is doubt where the name originated. It may NOT have originated in Ireland...
However, its pretty commonly agreed, that because its sort of proposes to the way the Irish do things, it may have probably NOT been invented by an Irish person either.... "Lets have a coffee the way the Irish do it?.."
But there is no proof either way, so, in that, the common consensus is that it can not be trademarked, in the same way that Apple cant copywrite/trademark their name every time someone wants fruit from the tree.
I can advertise in my bar Irish coffee, I dont owe the irish, or anyone, any franchise agreement.
So its not a brand, its not a specific dot-by-dot way of doing things, its a generalisation, and if someone trademarks a 25cl measure of something, then I will use a 30cl measure, so sod them.....
And yes, that has come up, when some twit tried to trademark a certain cocktail and collect royalties.
It was slightly altered and re-launched under a different name....
For some bloody silly reason, I cant remember what it was now.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lokifan on May 25, 2015 14:41:53 GMT
Not according to the Irish. From the National Specification Authority of Ireland's I.S. 417:1988 Irish Coffee: Now I'm curious what happens if you don't follow the standard. False advertising charges? A stern warning? International trade sanctions? Do the Irish Coffee cops throw you in jail? Probably something like "California Champagne", where France won't allow importation of the product because their standard says champagne can only be made in the Champagne area of France, maybe? |
|
|
|
Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 15:47:27 GMT
Ahhh... I think we are running with the same idea that the idea is that it is NOT a specific trademark registered Brand name, and can never be, its "Irish [style] coffee"?... The Irish have tried to trademark it, but, they cant. The Melton Mowbray pork Pie is trademarked copyrighted, because its a certain product made the same distinct way that it always has been, and there is documented evidence of a historic recipe that is definitely local to that area, so it has local status, and has now been protected to ensure other people do not use cheep alternatives, nor can it be made outside Melton Mowbray and use that name, its an area wide trademark. So trademark the Irish [style] coffee, Not "over here", or over where you are, because there is doubt where the name originated. It may NOT have originated in Ireland... However, its pretty commonly agreed, that because its sort of proposes to the way the Irish do things, it may have probably NOT been invented by an Irish person either.... "Lets have a coffee the way the Irish do it?.." But there is no proof either way, so, in that, the common consensus is that it can not be trademarked, in the same way that Apple cant copywrite/trademark their name every time someone wants fruit from the tree. I can advertise in my bar Irish coffee, I dont owe the irish, or anyone, any franchise agreement. So its not a brand, its not a specific dot-by-dot way of doing things, its a generalisation, and if someone trademarks a 25cl measure of something, then I will use a 30cl measure, so sod them..... And yes, that has come up, when some twit tried to trademark a certain cocktail and collect royalties. It was slightly altered and re-launched under a different name.... For some bloody silly reason, I cant remember what it was now. perhaps rather than brand name I should have said industry standard. kind of like boilermaker, martini, and gin and tonic are industry standards. |
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on May 26, 2015 7:09:52 GMT
Does alcohol, warm you up, or cool you down.
Does alcohol, kill brain cells.
(Not unless you are alcoholic?.....)
|
|
|
|
Post by the light works on May 26, 2015 14:17:26 GMT
Does alcohol, warm you up, or cool you down. Does alcohol, kill brain cells. (Not unless you are alcoholic?.....) they tested alcohol in the cold, some time back. |
|
|
|
Post by OziRiS on May 26, 2015 19:01:58 GMT
Does alcohol, warm you up, or cool you down. This is a well studied subject and all evidence says that alchohol cools you down. It does this by dilating your blood vessels, especially the capillaries under the skin, causing increased blood flow to these areas (face, hands, feet and so on). This is why some people look flushed when intoxicated. The increased blood flow to your skin makes you feel warmer, because all your heat receptors are located in your skin, but you're actually cooling down. As a greater amount of blood is now being pumped out to the coldest part of your body, the blood is cooled by the surrounding air and then circulated back to your heart, lowering your core temperature. To make matters worse, alcohol actually reduces the body's ability to shiver, which is one of its mechanisms to warm itself. If the surrounding air is cold enough and your alcohol-laced blood makes enough circulations through your body, you'll be unable to maintain a high enough core temperature and will eventually die from hypothermia. |
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on May 27, 2015 9:01:43 GMT
Does alcohol, warm you up, or cool you down. This is a well studied subject and all evidence says that alchohol cools you down. It does this by dilating your blood vessels, especially the capillaries under the skin, causing increased blood flow to these areas (face, hands, feet and so on). This is why some people look flushed when intoxicated. The increased blood flow to your skin makes you feel warmer, because all your heat receptors are located in your skin, but you're actually cooling down. As a greater amount of blood is now being pumped out to the coldest part of your body, the blood is cooled by the surrounding air and then circulated back to your heart, lowering your core temperature. To make matters worse, alcohol actually reduces the body's ability to shiver, which is one of its mechanisms to warm itself. If the surrounding air is cold enough and your alcohol-laced blood makes enough circulations through your body, you'll be unable to maintain a high enough core temperature and will eventually die from hypothermia. Further studies.. Alcohol makes you sleepy. Are the two combined?. Suggestions have been made that yes they are, and the reason you may cool down is that the alcohol is promoting the sleep cycle, "relaxing" you, slowing your system down for sleep, and as we all know, you get colder when you sleep.. thats what we climb into bed...?.. So is cooling by alcohol using the sleep preparation stage in the human body. As stated, this is a new research, I dont have the answers.... |
|
|
|
Post by the light works on May 27, 2015 15:36:58 GMT
This is a well studied subject and all evidence says that alchohol cools you down. It does this by dilating your blood vessels, especially the capillaries under the skin, causing increased blood flow to these areas (face, hands, feet and so on). This is why some people look flushed when intoxicated. The increased blood flow to your skin makes you feel warmer, because all your heat receptors are located in your skin, but you're actually cooling down. As a greater amount of blood is now being pumped out to the coldest part of your body, the blood is cooled by the surrounding air and then circulated back to your heart, lowering your core temperature. To make matters worse, alcohol actually reduces the body's ability to shiver, which is one of its mechanisms to warm itself. If the surrounding air is cold enough and your alcohol-laced blood makes enough circulations through your body, you'll be unable to maintain a high enough core temperature and will eventually die from hypothermia. Further studies.. Alcohol makes you sleepy. Are the two combined?. Suggestions have been made that yes they are, and the reason you may cool down is that the alcohol is promoting the sleep cycle, "relaxing" you, slowing your system down for sleep, and as we all know, you get colder when you sleep.. thats what we climb into bed...?.. So is cooling by alcohol using the sleep preparation stage in the human body. As stated, this is a new research, I dont have the answers.... I suspect that particular relationship is correlation rather than causation. alcohol is a depressant, it also dilates your blood vessels. I think it is coincidental that the body temperature naturally reduces slightly during sleep. |
|
|
|
Post by silverdragon on May 28, 2015 7:21:19 GMT
Yeah, but why invent a whole new way to affect the body when one already exists.
Depressed reaction rate, diluted blood vessels, slowing down of bodily functions, slurred speech, cooling of system due to slowed down blood flow...[and more]
Is that alcohol or Hibernation.
The research is does alcohol trigger an early hibernation call with a tired body, OR, is it only when you are already tired that you get those type of symptoms?...
Being that most people drink at the end of the day.
Would you therefore get the same symptoms at the start of a day?...
And just who has a few pints for breakfast?..
OK, Students maybe..
|
|
|
|
Post by the light works on May 28, 2015 14:04:44 GMT
Yeah, but why invent a whole new way to affect the body when one already exists. Depressed reaction rate, diluted blood vessels, slowing down of bodily functions, slurred speech, cooling of system due to slowed down blood flow...[and more] Is that alcohol or Hibernation. The research is does alcohol trigger an early hibernation call with a tired body, OR, is it only when you are already tired that you get those type of symptoms?... Being that most people drink at the end of the day. Would you therefore get the same symptoms at the start of a day?... And just who has a few pints for breakfast?.. OK, Students maybe.. I've known a few. a neighbor of my parents who could be seen walking to the store every day to get another case of bread. |
|
|
|
Post by OziRiS on May 28, 2015 17:18:05 GMT
And just who has a few pints for breakfast?.. OK, Students maybe.. Most alcoholics I've known would reach for a beer before reaching for their pants when they woke up in the morning. |
|
|
|
Post by c64 on Aug 4, 2015 21:53:40 GMT
About 20 years ago, here in Germany there was a "scandal" with flavoured wine in cans. The wine was flavoured and contained lots of sugar and the cans were the slim kind where energy drinks come in. Naturally, fuel stations often had put those right next to the energy drinks since they look alike. And of course some really tired truckers had picked them and then accidents had happened.
Now this wine may not be sold in those cans any more.
|
|
