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Post by silverdragon on Sept 9, 2015 5:27:54 GMT
I am wondering if a sensor system using blue-teef could be coded using andriod, and use a Mobile phone created "App" for that, thus cutting down the cost of the electronics, whereby a sword-stick with a pressure point in the tip cold trigger the "hit".
If I knew enough about the coding of Android, I could manage that.
On the other hand, getting two small micro-computers with a couple of relays, and yes, this is a punt for the raspberry pi here, and a small circuit using wireless and a speaker/light display to do the scoring.
That I COULD do...
All in all, the vests would be the most tricky part.
And yes, Padded vests and/or jackets are a MUST if you are going to encourage a "plaything" that requires poking each other with sticks..... that and face masks.
Motorcycle helmets..?..
Edit, simultaneous hits [should] count as a point each, if its a first to three hits, and you were doing it for real, you would still have the scar?... a hit is a hit.
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Post by the light works on Sept 9, 2015 5:43:47 GMT
my internal debate was that if you hit a guy just before he hits you, with a lightsaber, you still lose.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 9, 2015 5:58:26 GMT
My decision is if you hit a guy on the arm just as he stabs you in the artery in the neck, you still dead, he just has a pain in the arm for a while....
So simultaneous hits still count as a hit.... we are agreed....(No to do-over, you cant exactly do a do-over if you dead?..)
[I CAN MANAGE A REMATCH IF YOU BOTH DIED?... I AM SURE BINKY CAN WAIT.]
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Post by the light works on Sept 9, 2015 6:03:45 GMT
My decision is if you hit a guy on the arm just as he stabs you in the artery in the neck, you still dead, he just has a pain in the arm for a while.... So simultaneous hits still count as a hit.... we are agreed....(No to do-over, you cant exactly do a do-over if you dead?..) [ I CAN MANAGE A REMATCH IF YOU BOTH DIED?... I AM SURE BINKY CAN WAIT.] but people may want to adjust the rules to suit themselves. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 9, 2015 6:34:30 GMT
One dark day in the middle of the night
Two dead men got up to fight.
Back to back they faced each other
Drew their swords, and shot one another.
Child's rhyme that kind of suits the moment?....
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 9, 2015 12:58:34 GMT
What I noticed everytime A&J tried to dodge the 'blaster' is that they pivoted forward. The two of them pivoted forward everytime, if they were able to react at all, which put them further into the path of the projectile. Why did they not pivot backwards? Pivoting backwards may have been more effective to avoid contact or at least place themselves farther back in the path of the projectile.
Then again...
In the clip they showed, Luke dives out of the way, which puts his body below the path of the blaster shot. Why did they not try diving? Put an alcove into the stage dressing they designed and a couple mats on the ground to prevent injury and diving should have been an option.
On the 'Higher Ground' myth, why not get a couple of stunt coordinators to try it out? It would appear A&J have such a relationship with ILM/Lucasfilm that they would be able to get contact info for more than one of the stunt coordinators. Failing that, why not get two professional fencers or, even, renaissance(or medieval) sword fighting specialists? I think they might have dropped the ball in terms of the execution of this myth.
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Post by the light works on Sept 9, 2015 13:48:11 GMT
What I noticed everytime A&J tried to dodge the 'blaster' is that they pivoted forward. The two of them pivoted forward everytime, if they were able to react at all, which put them further into the path of the projectile. Why did they not pivot backwards? Pivoting backwards may have been more effective to avoid contact or at least place themselves farther back in the path of the projectile. Then again... In the clip they showed, Luke dives out of the way, which puts his body below the path of the blaster shot. Why did they not try diving? Put an alcove into the stage dressing they designed and a couple mats on the ground to prevent injury and diving should have been an option. On the 'Higher Ground' myth, why not get a couple of stunt coordinators to try it out? It would appear A&J have such a relationship with ILM/Lucasfilm that they would be able to get contact info for more than one of the stunt coordinators. Failing that, why not get two professional fencers or, even, renaissance(or medieval) sword fighting specialists? I think they might have dropped the ball in terms of the execution of this myth. in the SCA when I was fighting the convention was that if a combatant was struck in a limb, they lost the use of the limb - with a leg shot resulting in them fighting from their knees. people learned not to take my legs, because it just made me a smaller target, and there was more than one opponent I chased down and killed - from my knees. however, that IS still a different scenario than being on a malfunctioning repulsorlift platform and having to jump ashore towards a guy with a lightsaber. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 9, 2015 17:25:41 GMT
The myth was that in a sword fight the person standing on the higher ground has a significant advantage over his opponent. To test this all they needed was two equally matched fighters, and Adam and Jamie showed that they were equally matched when on level ground. Had one of them shown a significantly higher skill level over the other they would probably have considered bringing in 'experts' to do the fighting.
As it was they didn't need to do that, and MB tradition and preference is for the hosts to as much of the testing as they can themselves.
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 10, 2015 6:22:33 GMT
This aired last night.
I suspect the actual line "I have the higher ground", as suggested, may have had a different meaning..
More like I now have the advantage, you WONT win, why bother... and possibly also meant as a demoralizing remark, same as "sledging" in the world of cricket, you say something that unbalances your opponents, either by making them corpse and be unable to concentrate, or making them react to some slight insult...
It can be very funny.
Unfortunately, recently, it got a little too serious, so has had to be "Tamed"
Dodging the lazer blaster whatever you call it...
130mph?...
I know some people in the film industry, and, it is said, the special effects teams had a dilema in the showing of "Blaster bolts", that is, if they showed them in "Real time", at actual real speed of relevant physics, and yes they did research this, even Tracer rounds would have been to fast for normal video camera's to actually film them.
Therefore, a blaster bolt would have travelled at a speed to fast to be represented on film.
So special effects wise...
They had to put in an effect fast enough to be "believable", but slow enough for the film goers to actually see the effect....
Hence the slower (130mph) speed.
In REAL life, if that ever got invented, if you see the shot, they missed, and you have very good eyesight, because travelling at the speed of light, by the time you see it, the damage has already been done.
Plasma bolts, including the ones they use in Plasma cutters, have a travel speed of "Almost instantaneous", as in damn well so close to light speed does it really matter...
Obviously it does, so if anyone knows the actual speed of a plasma cutter, please do add it in, but, I think the important part here is the fact of the argument of special effects doing something that can be "seen" on video.
I am surprised that A&J were not aware of the special effects reasons of the speed of plasma bolts....
And here is a question, if the speed had been greater, just how fast would it have to be before the frame rate of the camera's used would have "Missed" the action anyway?...
And I know its added afterwards, but there must be a speed that cant be put on something that is a frame by frame video...... even with "Motion blur"....
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Post by the light works on Sept 10, 2015 14:04:20 GMT
This aired last night. I suspect the actual line "I have the higher ground", as suggested, may have had a different meaning.. More like I now have the advantage, you WONT win, why bother... and possibly also meant as a demoralizing remark, same as "sledging" in the world of cricket, you say something that unbalances your opponents, either by making them corpse and be unable to concentrate, or making them react to some slight insult... It can be very funny. Unfortunately, recently, it got a little too serious, so has had to be "Tamed" Dodging the lazer blaster whatever you call it... 130mph?... I know some people in the film industry, and, it is said, the special effects teams had a dilema in the showing of "Blaster bolts", that is, if they showed them in "Real time", at actual real speed of relevant physics, and yes they did research this, even Tracer rounds would have been to fast for normal video camera's to actually film them. Therefore, a blaster bolt would have travelled at a speed to fast to be represented on film. So special effects wise... They had to put in an effect fast enough to be "believable", but slow enough for the film goers to actually see the effect.... Hence the slower (130mph) speed. In REAL life, if that ever got invented, if you see the shot, they missed, and you have very good eyesight, because travelling at the speed of light, by the time you see it, the damage has already been done. Plasma bolts, including the ones they use in Plasma cutters, have a travel speed of "Almost instantaneous", as in damn well so close to light speed does it really matter... Obviously it does, so if anyone knows the actual speed of a plasma cutter, please do add it in, but, I think the important part here is the fact of the argument of special effects doing something that can be "seen" on video. I am surprised that A&J were not aware of the special effects reasons of the speed of plasma bolts.... And here is a question, if the speed had been greater, just how fast would it have to be before the frame rate of the camera's used would have "Missed" the action anyway?... And I know its added afterwards, but there must be a speed that cant be put on something that is a frame by frame video...... even with "Motion blur".... odds are pretty good they knew - but the test was on what people saw in the movie. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Sept 10, 2015 15:42:23 GMT
Personally, I enjoyed this episode. As Oz said, there were a good amount of humorous things said, and the overall energy (pun intended) was high; not to mention I like Star Wars.
Having said that, I do have a complaint that hasn't been mentioned yet about how they tested the Blaster myth. In every clip I recall seeing, the hero was already moving when the shot was fired. Even the one where Han was chasing the storm trooper, he rounded the corner, saw the squad of troops and immediately turned to run.
In the tests A&J did, the hero was static with the shooter making the first move. I felt this was a big flaw and easily could have made a difference in the outcome.
I also agree with the fact that the bonus myth: Lightsaber Dodge, appeared more like the shot just happened to hit the saber and not the other way around.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 10, 2015 15:46:42 GMT
Personally, I enjoyed this episode. As Oz said, there were a good amount of humorous things said, and the overall energy (pun intended) was high; not to mention I like Star Wars. Having said that, I do have a complaint that hasn't been mentioned yet about how they tested the Blaster myth. In every clip I recall seeing, the hero was already moving when the shot was fired. Even the one where Han was chasing the storm trooper, he rounded the corner, saw the squad of troops and immediately turned to run. In the tests A&J did, the hero was static with the shooter making the first move. I felt this was a big flaw and easily could have made a difference in the outcome. I also agree with the fact that the bonus myth: Lightsaber Dodge, appeared more like the shot just happened to hit the saber and not the other way around. You have a really good point there. Dodging a projectile from a static position is a lot different than dodging a projectile while already in motion. You'd have more momentum moving into your chosen avoidance measure (pivot, hop, dive) if you're already in motion. At the end of the day, was this done as a 'lets get it over with' type of episode? |
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Post by the light works on Sept 11, 2015 3:21:12 GMT
Personally, I enjoyed this episode. As Oz said, there were a good amount of humorous things said, and the overall energy (pun intended) was high; not to mention I like Star Wars. Having said that, I do have a complaint that hasn't been mentioned yet about how they tested the Blaster myth. In every clip I recall seeing, the hero was already moving when the shot was fired. Even the one where Han was chasing the storm trooper, he rounded the corner, saw the squad of troops and immediately turned to run. In the tests A&J did, the hero was static with the shooter making the first move. I felt this was a big flaw and easily could have made a difference in the outcome. I also agree with the fact that the bonus myth: Lightsaber Dodge, appeared more like the shot just happened to hit the saber and not the other way around. You have a really good point there. Dodging a projectile from a static position is a lot different than dodging a projectile while already in motion. You'd have more momentum moving into your chosen avoidance measure (pivot, hop, dive) if you're already in motion. At the end of the day, was this done as a 'lets get it over with' type of episode? on the other hand, if you're already in motion, the shooter can lead you. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 11, 2015 13:29:18 GMT
You have a really good point there. Dodging a projectile from a static position is a lot different than dodging a projectile while already in motion. You'd have more momentum moving into your chosen avoidance measure (pivot, hop, dive) if you're already in motion. At the end of the day, was this done as a 'lets get it over with' type of episode? on the other hand, if you're already in motion, the shooter can lead you. Good point. This makes me think of 'juking' in football where a running back will fake left to mislead the defender before running right. If you think the shooter is aiming to your left, you'll jump right but the shooter is already shooting in that direction. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Sept 11, 2015 13:52:07 GMT
It's a valid point, but it doesn't change the fact that movement over static is likely to impact the results. Not only that, but it would be more true to the myth they were testing.
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