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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 10, 2015 14:30:59 GMT
And just why are you people forcing her to drink that stuff. we're not, she was trying to prevent US from drinking that stuff. where would we be if we didn't have know-it-alls to look out for us. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 11, 2015 4:59:50 GMT
we have a board member who is a "water believer" who pitched a minor fit because one of our heavy rescues is equipped with a coffee maker and a fridge full of carbonated beverages. she yelled that that stuff shouldn't be on board because it dehydrates you. my dad pointed out that some people simply will not drink unflavored water, and furthermore, sometimes people are cold or have low blood sugar instead of being dehydrated. Thats unacceptable. Board members should keep their own beliefs to themselves. Being my wide circle of friends, I actually know a Muslim Firefighter. Devout?.. Yeah. But sensible. He has said that he doesnt give a flying monkeys about religion when on a shout, if the call to prayer came whilst he is working, he will ignore it without second thouht, and, he is quite honest that he doesnt know anyone who would argue with that, even from his own religion... He is a firefighter FIRST.... He has also stated so it shall be on all emergency services. Chasing a lag fleeing from police, and the policeman shouts out "Wait... I have to pray" You have someone on the gurney who needs emergency transport, but the driver must finish on his prayer mat? So, if they can do that, why cant good ol christians who have vegetablist views?.. He got slightly concerned when a vegatablist joined up, what if they had to cook dinner?... This one had an outbreak of sensible and didnt care what he was cooking for other people, its only HIM that doesnt eat meat, but he can do a damn good steak. As for going equipped, I kind of expect that firefighters on a protracted emergency would have been carrying some form of refreshments. But it is kind of ironic that you have to take a STOVE to a fire.....  |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 11, 2015 13:26:31 GMT
Right, you would think a couple of shish-kebab spears would be all they need.
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Post by the light works on Sept 11, 2015 14:19:45 GMT
we have a board member who is a "water believer" who pitched a minor fit because one of our heavy rescues is equipped with a coffee maker and a fridge full of carbonated beverages. she yelled that that stuff shouldn't be on board because it dehydrates you. my dad pointed out that some people simply will not drink unflavored water, and furthermore, sometimes people are cold or have low blood sugar instead of being dehydrated. Thats unacceptable. Board members should keep their own beliefs to themselves. Being my wide circle of friends, I actually know a Muslim Firefighter. Devout?.. Yeah. But sensible. He has said that he doesnt give a flying monkeys about religion when on a shout, if the call to prayer came whilst he is working, he will ignore it without second thouht, and, he is quite honest that he doesnt know anyone who would argue with that, even from his own religion... He is a firefighter FIRST.... He has also stated so it shall be on all emergency services. Chasing a lag fleeing from police, and the policeman shouts out "Wait... I have to pray" You have someone on the gurney who needs emergency transport, but the driver must finish on his prayer mat? So, if they can do that, why cant good ol christians who have vegetablist views?.. He got slightly concerned when a vegatablist joined up, what if they had to cook dinner?... This one had an outbreak of sensible and didnt care what he was cooking for other people, its only HIM that doesnt eat meat, but he can do a damn good steak. As for going equipped, I kind of expect that firefighters on a protracted emergency would have been carrying some form of refreshments. But it is kind of ironic that you have to take a STOVE to a fire..... keep in mind that last month we had a crew on a fire for 12 days... she isn't so devout a believer that it counts as a religion - just one of those people who believe coffee and soda dehydrate you. there was an article in one of my trade magazines about Amish volunteer firefighters in the Pennsylvania area. the writer said the first problem he had was finding someone to interview - as their religion discourages such vanity as being interviewed in the media. Finally the problem was solved by the department assigning one firefighter to "answer questions" the main conclusion of the article is that the volunteers are given dispensation to do what they have to do in order to fight fire. - including riding in the fire trucks and using normally discouraged transportation to rush to the stations. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 11, 2015 14:20:32 GMT
Right, you would think a couple of shish-kebab spears would be all they need. one of our neighbor departments used to have humidors in the trucks, and traditionally lit the cigars on the last embers of the fire. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 11, 2015 16:27:21 GMT
Right, you would think a couple of shish-kebab spears would be all they need. one of our neighbor departments used to have humidors in the trucks, and traditionally lit the cigars on the last embers of the fire. A victory celebration. I like it! |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 1:15:04 GMT
one of our neighbor departments used to have humidors in the trucks, and traditionally lit the cigars on the last embers of the fire. A victory celebration. I like it! somebody decided that might be a bit insensitive, so now they use a lighter - unless the smoke free workplace laws got the humidors taken out. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2015 6:19:06 GMT
A victory celebration. I like it! somebody decided that might be a bit insensitive, so now they use a lighter - unless the smoke free workplace laws got the humidors taken out. Smoke free workplace... As a firefighter... Interesting concept!  |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 6:52:45 GMT
somebody decided that might be a bit insensitive, so now they use a lighter - unless the smoke free workplace laws got the humidors taken out. Smoke free workplace... As a firefighter... Interesting concept! there was a debate on a liberal biased "news" site about whether a police officer in Texas had the authority to ask a driver to put out a cigarette. turns out texas doesn't have a smoke free workplace law. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2015 8:33:28 GMT
Smoke free workplace... As a firefighter... Interesting concept! there was a debate on a liberal biased "news" site about whether a police officer in Texas had the authority to ask a driver to put out a cigarette. turns out texas doesn't have a smoke free workplace law. And even if they did, the driver's privately owned vehicle is not the officer's workplace. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 9:09:32 GMT
there was a debate on a liberal biased "news" site about whether a police officer in Texas had the authority to ask a driver to put out a cigarette. turns out texas doesn't have a smoke free workplace law. And even if they did, the driver's privately owned vehicle is not the officer's workplace. that is debatable, if he is issuing a citation, it is. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2015 9:22:51 GMT
And even if they did, the driver's privately owned vehicle is not the officer's workplace. that is debatable, if he is issuing a citation, it is. You can't transfer your workplace policy to privately owned property, even if that privately owned property temporarily becomes your workplace. If you worked for a large electrical company and that company had a workplace policy that stated "no children allowed in the workplace", you couldn't force me to temporarily throw my kid out of my house because you needed to work on my electrical installations. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 12, 2015 10:13:05 GMT
that is debatable, if he is issuing a citation, it is. You can't transfer your workplace policy to privately owned property, even if that privately owned property temporarily becomes your workplace. If you worked for a large electrical company and that company had a workplace policy that stated "no children allowed in the workplace", you couldn't force me to temporarily throw my kid out of my house because you needed to work on my electrical installations. However. In UK, if you live in a council owned house, they an demand you do NOT smoke at all for at least an hour before they visit. They can also ask you throw dogs in backyard, and keep kids "controlled", especially of any work being done can be classed as harmful... And in case you are wondering, "We will be there on Monday" can be anything between Monday morning 7am to Thursday afternoon, or a weeks delay, or even more, without notice....dont smoke at all until they have left.... |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 12:17:11 GMT
You can't transfer your workplace policy to privately owned property, even if that privately owned property temporarily becomes your workplace. If you worked for a large electrical company and that company had a workplace policy that stated "no children allowed in the workplace", you couldn't force me to temporarily throw my kid out of my house because you needed to work on my electrical installations. However. In UK, if you live in a council owned house, they an demand you do NOT smoke at all for at least an hour before they visit. They can also ask you throw dogs in backyard, and keep kids "controlled", especially of any work being done can be classed as harmful... And in case you are wondering, "We will be there on Monday" can be anything between Monday morning 7am to Thursday afternoon, or a weeks delay, or even more, without notice....dont smoke at all until they have left.... and in fact, I could refuse to work in a home with someone smoking in it, or if there was an untethered child in it. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2015 14:55:35 GMT
However. In UK, if you live in a council owned house, they an demand you do NOT smoke at all for at least an hour before they visit. They can also ask you throw dogs in backyard, and keep kids "controlled", especially of any work being done can be classed as harmful... And in case you are wondering, "We will be there on Monday" can be anything between Monday morning 7am to Thursday afternoon, or a weeks delay, or even more, without notice....dont smoke at all until they have left.... and in fact, I could refuse to work in a home with someone smoking in it, or if there was an untethered child in it. Now, THAT you're free to do. And then I'm free to call another electrician. See how that works? As long as I'm not breaking any laws, I make the rules in my house and I decide if I want to change anything to accomodate visitors, private or professional. I'll gladly admit that emergency services personnel find themselves in kind of a special situation, because they can't refuse to go into a house because someone is smoking, because the kids are being unruly or because they're allergic to cats and there's a crazy cat person living in there, but they've chosen their profession just as much as anyone else and going into other peoples' homes is part of that profession. If you're a paramedic for example, you can't refuse to help someone because you think their house is icky. Get over it, get in there or get yourself a different job! It's called EMERGENCY services. That means people usually don't plan ahead for your arrival. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 15:12:25 GMT
actually, one of the first things the medics do is make the patient put out their cigarette.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2015 15:38:23 GMT
actually, one of the first things the medics do is make the patient put out their cigarette. And that's fair enough, because you need to work on the patient and you don't want to get burned. First rule of first aid: Don't become part of the accident. But you don't refuse to go in because the house smells like tobacco smoke. As for the cop, unless the cigarette poses an immediate threat, he can ask politely, "Would you mind putting that out, please?" If there's no threat and it just bothers his sensitive nose, he has no more right to demand the cigarette be put out than he has the right to ask a woman to remove her shirt because he finds the color offensive to his sensitive eyes. If the cigarette is purposely being used to provoke the officer in an attempt to prevent him from doing his job, or at least make doing it very uncomfortable, that's another story though. There's a significant differnce between holding the cigarette in your right hand while talking to the officer through your left window and holding the cigarette right under the officer's nose and blowing smoke right in his face. Smoke just bothers the officer = Not your problem Smoke is actively used to annoy the officer in an open act of defiance = Officer gets to invoke the "Don't be THAT guy law" and write you an extra citation, because you're being a douche and you deserve it. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 15:54:59 GMT
actually, one of the first things the medics do is make the patient put out their cigarette. And that's fair enough, because you need to work on the patient and you don't want to get burned. First rule of first aid: Don't become part of the accident. But you don't refuse to go in because the house smells like tobacco smoke. As for the cop, unless the cigarette poses an immediate threat, he can ask politely, "Would you mind putting that out, please?" If there's no threat and it just bothers his sensitive nose, he has no more right to demand the cigarette be put out than he has the right to ask a woman to remove her shirt because he finds the color offensive to his sensitive eyes. If the cigarette is purposely being used to provoke the officer in an attempt to prevent him from doing his job, or at least make doing it very uncomfortable, that's another story though. There's a significant differnce between holding the cigarette in your right hand while talking to the officer through your left window and holding the cigarette right under the officer's nose and blowing smoke right in his face. Smoke just bothers the officer = Not your problem Smoke is actively used to annoy the officer in an open act of defiance = Officer gets to invoke the "Don't be THAT guy law" and write you an extra citation, because you're being a douche and you deserve it. she would have gotten a warning, but instead got arrested. for blustering at the cop. it's a very popular meme in the US: Be as uncooperative as you can and then blame the cop for the bad outcome. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 12, 2015 16:17:20 GMT
And that's fair enough, because you need to work on the patient and you don't want to get burned. First rule of first aid: Don't become part of the accident. But you don't refuse to go in because the house smells like tobacco smoke. As for the cop, unless the cigarette poses an immediate threat, he can ask politely, "Would you mind putting that out, please?" If there's no threat and it just bothers his sensitive nose, he has no more right to demand the cigarette be put out than he has the right to ask a woman to remove her shirt because he finds the color offensive to his sensitive eyes. If the cigarette is purposely being used to provoke the officer in an attempt to prevent him from doing his job, or at least make doing it very uncomfortable, that's another story though. There's a significant differnce between holding the cigarette in your right hand while talking to the officer through your left window and holding the cigarette right under the officer's nose and blowing smoke right in his face. Smoke just bothers the officer = Not your problem Smoke is actively used to annoy the officer in an open act of defiance = Officer gets to invoke the "Don't be THAT guy law" and write you an extra citation, because you're being a douche and you deserve it. she would have gotten a warning, but instead got arrested. for blustering at the cop. it's a very popular meme in the US: Be as uncooperative as you can and then blame the cop for the bad outcome. If that's the case, throw the book at her and make sure it breaks her nose. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 12, 2015 16:41:15 GMT
she would have gotten a warning, but instead got arrested. for blustering at the cop. it's a very popular meme in the US: Be as uncooperative as you can and then blame the cop for the bad outcome. If that's the case, throw the book at her and make sure it breaks her nose. in this case, she ended up dead - which is a tragic outcome, and served for nothing but to provoke arguments over whether the police killed her or not. we have a subculture here which deems that if anybody dies as a result of an interaction with the police, they were a model citizen and the police are evil murderers. one of the more extreme cases was a man who grappled with an officer and then attempted to flee - and the officer shot him. he was declared in the media to be a model citizen and a great father - the warrant he was fleeing to get away from was for failure to pay child support. |
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