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Post by the light works on Sept 21, 2015 16:11:33 GMT
I'm guessing it was an AWD model, because 'murica. On a separate stupid note: I'm currently in the market for a new SUV (yes, it's a very big market...ba-dum-cha). I am getting tired of explaining to the salesmen that AWD and 4WD are NOT the same. First off, AWD is full time, 4WD is selectable (with 2WD). Next, AWD promotes limited skidding ('transfer power from wheels that slip to wheels that grip') while 4WD will slip, but will actually work better in snow and ice. Lastly, AWD guzzles gas because all 4 wheels running all the time, 4WD gas mileage is easily improved by changing to 2WD for everyday driving. Can't these guys pick up an owner's manual or tech update once in a while... why would they need to know anything about what they are selling? |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 21, 2015 16:13:59 GMT
I'm currently in the market for a new SUV (yes, it's a very big market...ba-dum-cha). I am getting tired of explaining to the salesmen that AWD and 4WD are NOT the same. First off, AWD is full time, 4WD is selectable (with 2WD). Next, AWD promotes limited skidding ('transfer power from wheels that slip to wheels that grip') while 4WD will slip, but will actually work better in snow and ice. Lastly, AWD guzzles gas because all 4 wheels running all the time, 4WD gas mileage is easily improved by changing to 2WD for everyday driving. Can't these guys pick up an owner's manual or tech update once in a while... I don't think there is an agreed upon definition of exactly what AWD, 4WD and 2WD actually includes. AWD does not necessarily mean it has traction or stability control. Sometimes 4WD can include part-time or full-time. Even full-time 4WD may not be the same as AWD. Your results may very. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 21, 2015 16:24:33 GMT
I'm currently in the market for a new SUV (yes, it's a very big market...ba-dum-cha). I am getting tired of explaining to the salesmen that AWD and 4WD are NOT the same. First off, AWD is full time, 4WD is selectable (with 2WD). Next, AWD promotes limited skidding ('transfer power from wheels that slip to wheels that grip') while 4WD will slip, but will actually work better in snow and ice. Lastly, AWD guzzles gas because all 4 wheels running all the time, 4WD gas mileage is easily improved by changing to 2WD for everyday driving. Can't these guys pick up an owner's manual or tech update once in a while... I don't think there is an agreed upon definition of exactly what AWD, 4WD and 2WD actually includes. AWD does not necessarily mean it has traction or stability control. Sometimes 4WD can include part-time or full-time. Even full-time 4WD may not be the same as AWD. Your results may very. right. then there's various details involved with 4WD: manual, electric, shift on the fly, stationary shift, several kinds of automatic hubs. Mrs TLW's truck has auto 4WD, that at my best interpretation underdrives the front axle with some form of escapement, so it freewheels until the rear wheels slip, at which point it catches up and turns the front wheels. - engaging 4WD also locks the front diffs on both of our rigs - or the front drive doesn't have a diff. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 21, 2015 18:17:13 GMT
On a separate stupid note: I'm currently in the market for a new SUV (yes, it's a very big market...ba-dum-cha). I am getting tired of explaining to the salesmen that AWD and 4WD are NOT the same. First off, AWD is full time, 4WD is selectable (with 2WD). Next, AWD promotes limited skidding ('transfer power from wheels that slip to wheels that grip') while 4WD will slip, but will actually work better in snow and ice. Lastly, AWD guzzles gas because all 4 wheels running all the time, 4WD gas mileage is easily improved by changing to 2WD for everyday driving. Can't these guys pick up an owner's manual or tech update once in a while... why would they need to know anything about what they are selling? They probably forgot to read* the memo stating that the shiny booklets are not just for fixing wobbly tables... *oops, there I go again being idealistic, assuming they can read... |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 21, 2015 18:47:59 GMT
why would they need to know anything about what they are selling? They probably forgot to read* the memo stating that the shiny booklets are not just for fixing wobbly tables... *oops, there I go again being idealistic, assuming they can read... You just have to do your own homework. Never, EVER take a salesman's word for ANYTHING. Especially when buying something that probably costs more than my first house. My son just bought a new car. I went with him to the dealer. It was obvious that my son knew way more about the car he wanted to buy than the salesmen that was trying to sell it did. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 21, 2015 18:55:47 GMT
They probably forgot to read* the memo stating that the shiny booklets are not just for fixing wobbly tables... *oops, there I go again being idealistic, assuming they can read... You just have to do your own homework. Never, EVER take a salesman's word for ANYTHING. Especially when buying something that probably costs more than my first house. My son just bought a new car. I went with him to the dealer. It was obvious that my son knew way more about the car he wanted to buy than the salesmen that was trying to sell it did. Before heading out to look at cars, I research submodels, optional equipment, price points. In the process of getting my current car, I walked away from five dealerships before finding one that was both knowledgable and met my price points for both the car & the trade in. True story: I test drove an SUV at a local dealership. First thing I noticed was the aftermarket ignition cylinder. I asked the dealer if the car had been stolen (and had the ignition cracked in the process) or if it just had a faulty ignition that needed replacement. He didn't know the answer. He left the table to 'check with the guys in the back' and disappeared for twenty minutes. I told one of his associates that I was leaving because I was getting tired of waiting. The dealer came back out and said they couldn't find the answer - claimed he would call me the next day with an answer. He never called. If I had the VIN, I would have checked Carfax myself because theft (causing damage) shows up on the report. |
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Post by Lokifan on Sept 21, 2015 19:59:23 GMT
This is also to assume he must have had incredible speed at the time. The Murano (which this appears to be) is available in FWD and AWD configurations. The driver would have had to be literally flying to accomplish this with an FWD because, once the front wheels left the ground, the car would have had no power outside remaining momentum. However, with the AWD version, the rear tires would need to have enough power to push the vehicle up without the aid of the front wheels. I'm guessing it was an AWD model, because 'murica. Yup. Toronto. America's hat.  |
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Post by the light works on Sept 21, 2015 20:12:54 GMT
I'm guessing it was an AWD model, because 'murica. Yup. Toronto. America's hat. I assumed it was America because I didn't expect Canehdians to be that stupid. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 21, 2015 20:21:10 GMT
Yup. Toronto. America's hat. I assumed it was America because I didn't expect Canehdians to be that stupid. Much like the migratory patterns of birds, stupidity is a natural phenomenon that holds no regard for manmade borders  |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 22, 2015 6:22:57 GMT
This is copying from the "How stupid" thread, and inquiring minds want to know if this can be done. So far, photographs show this...  Followed by this....  Story is that the driver was in a hurry taking kids to school, and cut through a parking lot. They DID NOT SEE the four-and-a-half foot BRIGHT YELLOW poles, hit the first one, bending it into a sort of pipe-ramp, which lifted the front of the car up-and-over, and got stuck on the second pole. So the questions are, can THAT sort of vehicle bend a parking restriction pole without more damage that what can be seen. Has it some form of unseen protection on the front end, maybe a "Sump guard" plate, that could have protected it?... Second question, what kind of speed could cause this up-and-over... we have to presume more-than-the-speed limit of the open road as the story states "In a hurry", and much more than the accepted "parking lot" limit which is usually 20/10/5mph dependant on the facility. What kind of force?... was the driver in full acceleration and KEPT accelerating?... |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 22, 2015 6:29:50 GMT
I have some ideas.
"Armour up" the front and underside of a SUV to prevent damage so the vehicle can be re-used...
Bend a pole to as close as you can to the photographed, and attempt a towed vehicle "pipe ramp" to see if that pole will launch the vehicle as suggested.
There may be some viable thoughts that the pole may have sprung back a little after impact, so how much spring can you get, which should become obvious as you bend that pole, so make allowances for that?..
You may need to do this at various speeds to get a similar result, which is why I suggested the vehicle armour?...
When the result can/has been replicated, remove the armour plating, and use the vehicle as supplied, to see if the front end will survive the collision.
what else should we add to this?... any suggestions?...
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Post by the light works on Sept 22, 2015 13:58:20 GMT
most of our SUV type vehicles do have some form of belly guard under the engine, and often below the lower suspension components in the middle as well.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 22, 2015 14:16:01 GMT
The easy way to answer this question is to just call the number on the side of the police vehicle and ask the cops if this really happened as the pictures show and the news report.
Not that it still wouldn't be fun to see it tested.
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 22, 2015 16:55:32 GMT
A friend of mine is an accountant for a golf club and they had a problem with those sneaky bollards I think LTW mentioned.
The committee decided to instal some as a security measure instead of a normal style gate, they would retract into the ground when the driver entering or exiting the club put the correct code into the control panel.
The problem was particularly when a bit of time had been spent in the 19th hole that some drivers in a queue would see the bollard come down for the person in front of them and try to drive over it before they reset. This lead to,damage to the cars undersides( and the bollard mechanism) which my friend would have to write the cheque for ( there was a Treasurer but that was a job for an old differ on the committee who knew nothing about what had to,be done).
In the case of the sneaky bollards she never knew of a case where it lifted the car.
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Post by the light works on Sept 23, 2015 3:14:15 GMT
A friend of mine is an accountant for a golf club and they had a problem with those sneaky bollards I think LTW mentioned. The committee decided to instal some as a security measure instead of a normal style gate, they would retract into the ground when the driver entering or exiting the club put the correct code into the control panel. The problem was particularly when a bit of time had been spent in the 19th hole that some drivers in a queue would see the bollard come down for the person in front of them and try to drive over it before they reset. This lead to,damage to the cars undersides( and the bollard mechanism) which my friend would have to write the cheque for ( there was a Treasurer but that was a job for an old differ on the committee who knew nothing about what had to,be done). In the case of the sneaky bollards she never knew of a case where it lifted the car. they must have been wimpier than the ones the road department installs. |
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Post by ponytail61 on Sept 23, 2015 4:54:03 GMT
A friend of mine is an accountant for a golf club and they had a problem with those sneaky bollards I think LTW mentioned. The committee decided to instal some as a security measure instead of a normal style gate, they would retract into the ground when the driver entering or exiting the club put the correct code into the control panel. The problem was particularly when a bit of time had been spent in the 19th hole that some drivers in a queue would see the bollard come down for the person in front of them and try to drive over it before they reset. This lead to,damage to the cars undersides( and the bollard mechanism) which my friend would have to write the cheque for ( there was a Treasurer but that was a job for an old differ on the committee who knew nothing about what had to,be done). In the case of the sneaky bollards she never knew of a case where it lifted the car. they must have been wimpier than the ones the road department installs. I bet she regrets not spending a few more bucks on AAA road service instead of that low budget AA service. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 23, 2015 14:11:58 GMT
they must have been wimpier than the ones the road department installs. I bet she regrets not spending a few more bucks on AAA road service instead of that low budget AA service. that extra A makes a difference. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 24, 2015 5:18:19 GMT
The AA is worldwide, AAA is just the extra A for America, its in many other countries as well?....
More or less the same firm now.
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Post by the light works on Sept 24, 2015 14:45:42 GMT
The AA is worldwide, AAA is just the extra A for America, its in many other countries as well?.... More or less the same firm now. they should require all the countries' branches to use a third initial, because some of the combinations would be great. for example, if your car breaks down in great britain, you call GAA! |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Sept 24, 2015 15:46:34 GMT
The AA is worldwide, AAA is just the extra A for America, its in many other countries as well?.... More or less the same firm now. Hmmm...AA (without the third A) tends to mean something ertirely different in US than it must in other countries. While AAA gets you of car trouble, AA is Alcoholics Anonymous... |
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