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Post by silverdragon on Apr 1, 2018 8:41:07 GMT
another tesla autopilot crash. money.cnn.com/2018/03/31/technology/tesla-model-x-crash-autopilot/index.htmlrelevant bit: the car was in autopilot mode, but had given the driver multiple warnings to steer manually, and the driver had earlier taken the car to the dealership for service, complaining that it drifted towards the divider on the stretch of road it drifted into the divider on. the driver was not manually steering at the time of the crash. the crash was made worse by the fact that the shock absorbing end on the divider had already been crushed by an earlier crash. [from above article] They are beginning to get it right. But not fully. When told to get the wheel, you should be ready to get the wheel. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 1, 2018 14:53:58 GMT
another tesla autopilot crash. money.cnn.com/2018/03/31/technology/tesla-model-x-crash-autopilot/index.htmlrelevant bit: the car was in autopilot mode, but had given the driver multiple warnings to steer manually, and the driver had earlier taken the car to the dealership for service, complaining that it drifted towards the divider on the stretch of road it drifted into the divider on. the driver was not manually steering at the time of the crash. the crash was made worse by the fact that the shock absorbing end on the divider had already been crushed by an earlier crash. [from above article] They are beginning to get it right. But not fully. When told to get the wheel, you should be ready to get the wheel. when your autopilot tells the driver to get the wheel, and the driver doesn't, I would consider that to be the driver's fault. |
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Post by c64 on Apr 3, 2018 20:08:07 GMT
[from above article] They are beginning to get it right. But not fully. When told to get the wheel, you should be ready to get the wheel. when your autopilot tells the driver to get the wheel, and the driver doesn't, I would consider that to be the driver's fault. I am not sure but I am very certain that the Tesla tells you "to get the wheel" whenever you take your hands off it. You must always be ready because if the car knows that something is dangerous, it is likely to fix it. The danger is in when the car doesn't know that something is wrong. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 4, 2018 3:49:38 GMT
when your autopilot tells the driver to get the wheel, and the driver doesn't, I would consider that to be the driver's fault. I am not sure but I am very certain that the Tesla tells you "to get the wheel" whenever you take your hands off it. You must always be ready because if the car knows that something is dangerous, it is likely to fix it. The danger is in when the car doesn't know that something is wrong. my understanding is that Tesla autopilot lets you drive hands off, but will alert you if it feels insecure. www.tesla.com/autopilot |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 4, 2018 8:22:49 GMT
I am not sure but I am very certain that the Tesla tells you "to get the wheel" whenever you take your hands off it. You must always be ready because if the car knows that something is dangerous, it is likely to fix it. The danger is in when the car doesn't know that something is wrong. my understanding is that Tesla autopilot lets you drive hands off, but will alert you if it feels insecure. www.tesla.com/autopilotThis is what I believed to be so as well, I sort of got the impression that Tesla themselves on the subject would encourage a state of ready awareness that as the car will drive its self, you should be ready to take over at a moments notice at all times?. I also believe that they DIScourage the taking of phone calls whilst in the driving seat, especially those that are not hands free, in that they dont want that kind of distraction either?. |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 4, 2018 8:32:48 GMT
I have been watching a discussion unfold on Twitter headed up by the Captain Slow, James May, on "Are we ready for autonomous driving".
Many things have been said. By many people. Many of them quite sensible.
But, the general consensus is, although the future MAY hold this, we are not there yet, and there is more likelihood of a colony on Mars being established before the public "accept" autonomous cars?.
I agree.
Go back a decade and read my posts on Electric Cars, and at that time, I argued, that electric vehicles were good, but not good enough, and that at that time, you wouldnt catch me driving one ever.
I have now changed my stand, on that as soon as you get me one of them, one that will now recharge to 80%+ of battery time in half hour, give 300mile PLUS on that charge, as soon as you make that affordable to me, I would have one.
This is now my stance on Autonomous cars.
Maybe in the future, when it is affordable, and they have chased out a few bugs, and it can be PROVEN that they "ARE" safer, which BTW, is already being claimed on miles driven and accident rates per mile driven statistics compared between fully auto mode and manual, but when that is fully credible, I may change my mind on are we ready for this.
But at the moment?.
No.
Come back in a decade and ask again...
And by the way Elon Musk is performing, by that time, we may well have a colony on Mars?.
Who knows, I may be called out of retirement to be the first in line of Delivery Drivers ferrying supplies up there?.
After all, stranger things have happened at sea, and in Zero gravity, my back problems may not be all that much of a problem?.
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Post by the light works on Apr 4, 2018 15:37:13 GMT
I have been watching a discussion unfold on Twitter headed up by the Captain Slow, James May, on "Are we ready for autonomous driving". Many things have been said. By many people. Many of them quite sensible. But, the general consensus is, although the future MAY hold this, we are not there yet, and there is more likelihood of a colony on Mars being established before the public "accept" autonomous cars?. I agree. Go back a decade and read my posts on Electric Cars, and at that time, I argued, that electric vehicles were good, but not good enough, and that at that time, you wouldnt catch me driving one ever. I have now changed my stand, on that as soon as you get me one of them, one that will now recharge to 80%+ of battery time in half hour, give 300mile PLUS on that charge, as soon as you make that affordable to me, I would have one. This is now my stance on Autonomous cars. Maybe in the future, when it is affordable, and they have chased out a few bugs, and it can be PROVEN that they "ARE" safer, which BTW, is already being claimed on miles driven and accident rates per mile driven statistics compared between fully auto mode and manual, but when that is fully credible, I may change my mind on are we ready for this. But at the moment?. No. Come back in a decade and ask again... And by the way Elon Musk is performing, by that time, we may well have a colony on Mars?. Who knows, I may be called out of retirement to be the first in line of Delivery Drivers ferrying supplies up there?. After all, stranger things have happened at sea, and in Zero gravity, my back problems may not be all that much of a problem?. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 4, 2018 17:41:39 GMT
Yep, I can see SD doing that. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 4, 2018 18:11:01 GMT
Yep, I can see SD doing that. I should have quantified that link with "you may not feel like paying to see this movie is money well spent" |
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Post by GTCGreg on Apr 4, 2018 18:30:54 GMT
Yep, I can see SD doing that. I should have quantified that link with "you may not feel like paying to see this movie is money well spent" Thanks for the warning, but I don't think I was going to run out and buy it. Especially seeing how it's over 20 year old and I never heard of it before now. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 4, 2018 18:57:03 GMT
I should have quantified that link with "you may not feel like paying to see this movie is money well spent" Thanks for the warning, but I don't think I was going to run out and buy it. Especially seeing how it's over 20 year old and I never heard of it before now. I'm not saying it is cheesy, but it goes well with wine and crackers. |
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Post by c64 on Apr 4, 2018 19:21:45 GMT
I am not sure but I am very certain that the Tesla tells you "to get the wheel" whenever you take your hands off it. You must always be ready because if the car knows that something is dangerous, it is likely to fix it. The danger is in when the car doesn't know that something is wrong. my understanding is that Tesla autopilot lets you drive hands off, but will alert you if it feels insecure. www.tesla.com/autopilotI have read many articles about Tesla crashes, in most the company claims that the car was telling the driver to put the hands back onto the wheel numerous times. E.G.: www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/02/car_safety_watchdog_growls_at_tesla_for_reveal_crash_details/Also: I don't think that the car just demands the hands on the wheel when there is something in the way. Braking to a stop would almost be quicker than making the driver take back the wheel (and thinking what to do). We would need an actual Tesla manual to be sure but it doesn't make sense to wake up the driver when something is right about to happen. Making sure that the driver at least seems to be alert all the time makes more sense. |
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Post by the light works on Apr 4, 2018 19:44:37 GMT
my understanding is that Tesla autopilot lets you drive hands off, but will alert you if it feels insecure. www.tesla.com/autopilotI have read many articles about Tesla crashes, in most the company claims that the car was telling the driver to put the hands back onto the wheel numerous times. E.G.: www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/02/car_safety_watchdog_growls_at_tesla_for_reveal_crash_details/Also: I don't think that the car just demands the hands on the wheel when there is something in the way. Braking to a stop would almost be quicker than making the driver take back the wheel (and thinking what to do). We would need an actual Tesla manual to be sure but it doesn't make sense to wake up the driver when something is right about to happen. Making sure that the driver at least seems to be alert all the time makes more sense. fortunately, the manual is online. www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_s_owners_manual_north_america_en_us.pdfto summarize: in autosteer mode, the car does the steering, but wants you to rest your hands on the wheel. if you don't comply, it is programmed to pull over and stop and refuse to let you use autosteer for the rest of that drive. it also has a "take over immediately" warning for when it doesn't have any reference to use for guidance. |
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Post by c64 on Apr 4, 2018 20:36:16 GMT
[...] when it doesn't have any reference to use for guidance  |
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Post by the light works on Apr 4, 2018 20:52:25 GMT
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Post by kharnynb on Apr 19, 2018 18:55:16 GMT
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Post by the light works on Apr 20, 2018 10:05:53 GMT
I've seen that it is available. I have not expected it to be engaging enough to be worth my while. is it, or have you not actually watched it? |
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Post by kharnynb on Apr 20, 2018 14:08:54 GMT
It depends, It's not exactly super entertaining, but it has it's moments.
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Post by the light works on Apr 20, 2018 14:21:07 GMT
It depends, It's not exactly super entertaining, but it has it's moments. I might give it a peek when I get done with my current series, Origins - which is a very simplified overview of how things got invented - and by simplified, they do bicycles, motorcycles, and meat scooters all in one episode. |
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Post by kharnynb on Apr 20, 2018 15:56:57 GMT
It depends, It's not exactly super entertaining, but it has it's moments. I might give it a peek when I get done with my current series, Origins - which is a very simplified overview of how things got invented - and by simplified, they do bicycles, motorcycles, and meat scooters all in one episode. nice tip too  |
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