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Post by mrfatso on Jul 30, 2016 13:43:19 GMT
But thinking on it more these days the SJWs would hate the idea, shutting away disabled people, using them the control Starships through their brains imagine the fuss.
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Post by the light works on Jul 30, 2016 14:57:10 GMT
But thinking on it more these days the SJWs would hate the idea, shutting away disabled people, using them the control Starships through their brains imagine the fuss. true. "slavery" |
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Post by ironhold on Aug 31, 2016 20:04:35 GMT
Idea I had last night.
A middle-aged man wakes up inside of a sealed chamber, the kind that might be used to cryogenically preserve someone. Dude freaks out upon realizing that he's trapped and starts hammering away with his fists & screaming in an attempt to break free. This alerts the workers at the facility that he's awake, who quickly summon security. A pair of guards and a senior employee open up the chamber, but the guy's so out of his mind at this point he has to be subdued and tranquilized.
When he wakes up, he finds himself in a medical clinic, where he has been secured to the examination table. Just as he is about to freak out, he notes that everyone in the facility has suddenly stood at attention in response to the arrival of a seemingly prominent individual.
It turns out that the middle-aged man is, in fact, a clone of the previous President. As near as anyone can figure, he's one of about four or five dozen clones of prominent persons who have been scattered about the facility for their own safe-keeping. The prominent person was to periodically have their memories uploaded, so that if the person was ever killed, the clone would automatically come to life with the most recent memory upload; this way, the clone could resume the original person's life within 72 hours of the death taking place.
The clone realizes that if he's awake, it means that the President has died.
What he doesn't realize is that the previous President was executed for treason.
The President, in the name of "peace", "progress", and "global diversity", made a series of horrendous decisions that very nearly led to the destruction of America at the hands of both domestic *and* foreign hostile powers. The prominent individual, a top-ranked intelligence operative, ignored direct orders from the President at a crucial moment, enabling him to save an entire town from destruction. When the President tried to have him punished for insubordination, enough of the populace denounced the President, enabling the highest-ranking opposition member in Congress to have the President and Vice President taken out of power for the duration. The opposition member cut the prominent individual and the nation's top remaining military officers loose to do what they do best, and as a result things turned around within a single week; whereas America was just about dead, it was now winning on all fronts. Within a month, the prominent individual had personally led a raid on Pyongyang that resulted in the head of the country - and the last known member of the Kim dynasty - being gunned down on live North Korean television after the individual and a few allies successfully stormed the head's mansion. By the end of that given year, the individual had led similarly successful operations in Mexico (against multiple cartels), Iran, and elsewhere.
With the war decisively won in America's favor, the opposition leader stepped down so that the Vice President could become POTUS. Instead, the VP, cognizant of how much the general public hated their continued existence, offered to go into self-imposed exile. The President, meanwhile, made it clear that he was so wedded to the progressive movement and the cause of social justice that he'd do it all over again even knowing that his actions would lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents all over the world. After this, the government had no choice *but* to put him on trial for treason and find him guilty... which led to his being executed. False paperwork and the destruction of another clone lab led everyone to believe that the President's clone had been destroyed, which is why the clone was never sought for before now.
Now that the clone is awake, the government is in a bind. While the President was, indeed, put to death for treason, the clone technically isn't him. But at the same time, if the President was seen walking about after he was supposedly put down by a firing squad, it might destabilize the fragile coalition government that has been formed; the opposition leader honestly intends to have the next national election - which would decide of he stays POTUS or not - as scheduled so that the will of the people will finally be heard in all of this, and the last thing anyone needs is for this to not happen.
Because of this, the clone is given an ultimatum. He'll receive a token amount of cosmetic surgery so that the resemblance isn't as great. He'll also receive basic identification establishing him as a new person, and he'll be let go in a region with a lot of drifters due to the devastation. He is to carve a new life out for himself under his new identity. He cannot reveal the truth, let alone make contact with anyone from the President's former life, without first contacting the government to let them know; otherwise, his existence will be officially disavowed and he can expect to spend the rest of his days in a mental institution where he will be confined for treatment of his "delusions".
As such, even though the clone is, indeed, a clone of someone else, he will now have to learn how to be his own individual person.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 31, 2016 23:16:30 GMT
Another idea -
An 18-year-old queen bee special snowflake goes to bed the night after graduation, confident that her reign will continue for the rest of her life. She's already got her college and career plan lined up; she just has to let everything fall in place and bow down to her like she knows it will.
When she wakes up in the morning, she's in a hospital room. She's ten years older, twenty pounds heavier, an inch taller, and carries the stretch marks inherent with having children. When the guy who was her polar opposite back in school shows up wearing a military uniform and officer's rank, they refer to him as her husband; apparently, they have three children together. She also has a metal plate in her head from a previous incident, which the doctor tells her is what kept her from being killed this time around; either way, one more hit to the head and she'll likely die from it.
She can only gather bits and pieces of her past, as she has a concussion and so she can only handle a little at a time. But from what she does gather, an incident took place shortly after graduation in which she was literally stabbed in the back by one of her former subjects as part of a larger ambush. Her husband, then a socially-awkward gentle giant known for being something of a nerd, intervened to save her life; he succeeded in taking everyone down, but by then the damage had already been done (hence the metal plate). Her injuries forced her to spend what would have been her freshman fall semester undergoing physical rehabilitation, derailing her elaborate plans for herself. At some point after her fall from grace, she was forced to befriend the people who she had once shunned because they were the only ones who would still even give her the time of day. This includes the gentle giant, who was going through the local college's ROTC program. This began her transition from "queen bee" to "devoted housewife".
...That is, until she decided to go by herself to an early planning meeting for their graduating class' 10-year reunion, at which point she was attacked again by people with long grudges.
With the actual class reunion looming, she now has to re-learn and re-experience the last decade of her life.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Sept 5, 2016 6:24:25 GMT
But thinking on it more these days the SJWs would hate the idea, shutting away disabled people, using them the control Starships through their brains imagine the fuss. true. "slavery" Reminds me of the Ann MacAfee ship series books they had a similar premise theme. People who had been born or became severely disabled. Had their brains & bodies hardwired into starships that they were the pilot/captain of. & they had a able bodied or 'fleshy' that was their first officer/co pilot. The series dealt with the issue of the disabled people being virtual slaves, as well as the idea that they had half fulfilled lives due to their conditions. It's actually quite a good series you should give it a go. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 5, 2016 14:22:33 GMT
Reminds me of the Ann MacAfee ship series books they had a similar premise theme. People who had been born or became severely disabled. Had their brains & bodies hardwired into starships that they were the pilot/captain of. & they had a able bodied or 'fleshy' that was their first officer/co pilot. The series dealt with the issue of the disabled people being virtual slaves, as well as the idea that they had half fulfilled lives due to their conditions. It's actually quite a good series you should give it a go. that is the series we are talking about. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 5, 2016 14:36:02 GMT
I believe I've mentioned my favorite author, David Eddings. I'd like to see a movie adaptation of The Hobbit that is true to the story. That is going to be bloody difficult.... Smaug has as many different pronunciations as anything, and is argued over more than the right way to say Aluminium. Whilst the interpretation of many of the songs, their importance, and even if they should be included in the story, with or without the music, is a huge argument amongst the Tolken spoken here crowd. The language of Elven has almost become a official language, if you listen to them. Its more important than Vulcan, or even Klingon to the trekkers.... I read the stories before many of these people were even born, I have a first edition copy, simply because it was bought by a family member when it first came out, and passed on as "You may like this", I was one of those eagerly awaiting the first print run of the third book of the ring trilogy, Return of the King, ... Does this make me a "Super fan"?... Oh No. I waited in line for the release of many of David Eddings " Belgariad series during the early 80's, as the first book came to me just after printing, 1982... I still have them "somewhere"?.. But just because I was "there" in the world somewhere doesnt mean I am the ultimate advisor on how to make screen plays out of them. So the meaning of this post?. Who would YOU trust to make the film?. Quite a simple question, and I expect the discussion to go forwards with quite a few suggestions in mind, because we already know that maybe your idea of a good director would differ from mine. And as we dont have the author of JRR Tolkein around to advise, our own personal interpretation of the story would get significantly differentiating mileage. For a start, I found some of the swapping about between characters story lines a bit confusing in the books... especially in the later Ring bearer trilogy. I may have done a little moving of the actual scenes to better places to pause than the actual book states, and maybe in doing that, I am wrong?. So who IS out there to be ultimate advisor on the making of that film?.. And I must immediately discount Tolkein family members, as the books they finished for him after his death were done badly. I would have suggested maybe Mr Pratchett, but we lost him as well. And yes he can/could do serious, look at the long world series with Stephen Baxter, that went down quite well. Maybe then we can suggest Stephen Baxter as advisory?.. would he even want to try to help?.. Can the film be made "again", and even should it be made again? The world of imagination can be irreparably damaged if you are forced to witness someone else's interpretation. Especially if you do not like that interpretation.... it can spoil the book for you. This is maybe why Shakespere is popular. Not only does he give you the script, he gets the stage directions in there as well. >>>>Exit stage left pursued by a bear>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how did I miss this post? I THOUGHT I could trust Peter Jackson. I am not so much talking about the pronunciation of Smaug (here, it sounds like smog) as about adding in stuff that wasn't in the book, out of a desire to make it a prequel trilogy. as for the belgariad: I have replaced the first book in the series twice, and the second, once. another that would be technically complicated, but oh, so, good if it could be done: Piers (X)Anthony's Xanth supertrilogy. (3 3 books other series that would be good cinema in my mind would be David Drake's Tank Lords stories, David Weber's Honor Harrington series, and Robert Asprin's M.Y.T.H. series. Lois McMaster Bujold's Barrayar series would do well if they could find the right lead. |
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Post by ironhold on Sept 5, 2016 19:23:30 GMT
If we're talking about books, then there's always Harold Coyle's "Team Yankee". It was so popular back in the day that it got a graphic novel adaptation *and* a computer game, but it's had sod all since.
Or if we had someone who truly knew what they were doing, they could take a crack at Walker Percy's "The Moviegoer".
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 5, 2016 23:19:52 GMT
That is going to be bloody difficult.... Smaug has as many different pronunciations as anything, and is argued over more than the right way to say Aluminium. Whilst the interpretation of many of the songs, their importance, and even if they should be included in the story, with or without the music, is a huge argument amongst the Tolken spoken here crowd. The language of Elven has almost become a official language, if you listen to them. Its more important than Vulcan, or even Klingon to the trekkers.... I read the stories before many of these people were even born, I have a first edition copy, simply because it was bought by a family member when it first came out, and passed on as "You may like this", I was one of those eagerly awaiting the first print run of the third book of the ring trilogy, Return of the King, ... Does this make me a "Super fan"?... Oh No. I waited in line for the release of many of David Eddings " Belgariad series during the early 80's, as the first book came to me just after printing, 1982... I still have them "somewhere"?.. But just because I was "there" in the world somewhere doesnt mean I am the ultimate advisor on how to make screen plays out of them. So the meaning of this post?. Who would YOU trust to make the film?. Quite a simple question, and I expect the discussion to go forwards with quite a few suggestions in mind, because we already know that maybe your idea of a good director would differ from mine. And as we dont have the author of JRR Tolkein around to advise, our own personal interpretation of the story would get significantly differentiating mileage. For a start, I found some of the swapping about between characters story lines a bit confusing in the books... especially in the later Ring bearer trilogy. I may have done a little moving of the actual scenes to better places to pause than the actual book states, and maybe in doing that, I am wrong?. So who IS out there to be ultimate advisor on the making of that film?.. And I must immediately discount Tolkein family members, as the books they finished for him after his death were done badly. I would have suggested maybe Mr Pratchett, but we lost him as well. And yes he can/could do serious, look at the long world series with Stephen Baxter, that went down quite well. Maybe then we can suggest Stephen Baxter as advisory?.. would he even want to try to help?.. Can the film be made "again", and even should it be made again? The world of imagination can be irreparably damaged if you are forced to witness someone else's interpretation. Especially if you do not like that interpretation.... it can spoil the book for you. This is maybe why Shakespere is popular. Not only does he give you the script, he gets the stage directions in there as well. >>>>Exit stage left pursued by a bear>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how did I miss this post? I THOUGHT I could trust Peter Jackson. I am not so much talking about the pronunciation of Smaug (here, it sounds like smog) as about adding in stuff that wasn't in the book, out of a desire to make it a prequel trilogy. as for the belgariad: I have replaced the first book in the series twice, and the second, once. another that would be technically complicated, but oh, so, good if it could be done: Piers (X)Anthony's Xanth supertrilogy. (3 3 books other series that would be good cinema in my mind would be David Drake's Tank Lords stories, David Weber's Honor Harrington series, and Robert Asprin's M.Y.T.H. series. Lois McMaster Bujold's Barrayar series would do well if they could find the right lead. Honor Harrington O'll second that one. I would also like to suggest two British Authors books that you might not be aware of . David Gemmels Drenai series would make an intresting setting for films, starting with Waylander. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drenai_SeriesI also have a soft spot for Dan Abnetts Guants Ghost novels, set in the WH40k universe, the. 1st and Only Tanith regiment they escaped the destruction of their home world as the happened to be embarking on troops ships just as it happened, fight the enemies of mankind as part of the Imperial Guard. Unlike stories about the genetically altered Space Marines in the same setting with superhuman abilities and a dethment from humanity, they are just normal,humans fighting and dying in a war. Not to everyone's taste I know, but like I say I like them. |
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Post by mrfatso on Sept 5, 2016 23:33:22 GMT
If we're talking about books, then there's always Harold Coyle's "Team Yankee". It was so popular back in the day that it got a graphic novel adaptation *and* a computer game, but it's had sod all since. Or if we had someone who truly knew what they were doing, they could take a crack at Walker Percy's "The Moviegoer". Team Yankee would be good, I prefer Tom Clancys Red Storm Rising though. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 6, 2016 0:03:26 GMT
how did I miss this post? I THOUGHT I could trust Peter Jackson. I am not so much talking about the pronunciation of Smaug (here, it sounds like smog) as about adding in stuff that wasn't in the book, out of a desire to make it a prequel trilogy. as for the belgariad: I have replaced the first book in the series twice, and the second, once. another that would be technically complicated, but oh, so, good if it could be done: Piers (X)Anthony's Xanth supertrilogy. (3 3 books other series that would be good cinema in my mind would be David Drake's Tank Lords stories, David Weber's Honor Harrington series, and Robert Asprin's M.Y.T.H. series. Lois McMaster Bujold's Barrayar series would do well if they could find the right lead. Honor Harrington O'll second that one. I would also like to suggest two British Authors books that you might not be aware of . David Gemmels Drenai series would make an intresting setting for films, starting with Waylander. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drenai_SeriesI also have a soft spot for Dan Abnetts Guants Ghost novels, set in the WH40k universe, the. 1st and Only Tanith regiment they escaped the destruction of their home world as the happened to be embarking on troops ships just as it happened, fight the enemies of mankind as part of the Imperial Guard. Unlike stories about the genetically altered Space Marines in the same setting with superhuman abilities and a dethment from humanity, they are just normal,humans fighting and dying in a war. Not to everyone's taste I know, but like I say I like them. drenai looks like an interesting premise. |
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