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Post by rmc on Oct 28, 2016 14:15:27 GMT
Depends what's on the "user accessed table". If it provides Karat and impurity, then maybe. Volume isn't enough. Nor is volume and just impurity. my thinking would be that the table provided typical karat and impurity for the region the gold was in. if they know they can enter it directly, and if they don't they can access the table and look it up. Well, right. That'd be nice. But, as can be seen by this link below, the information about various regions is sort of 'locked up' within mining companies, individuals and various government entities who, apparently, only divulge a tidbit or two about their own local areas. For example, in this link, we see that the government only lists the fineness about the several mines in Alaska. No word on what the typical impurity is for these mines. So, as I said, for now, that kind of list remains a huge undertaking for anyone trying to define such information on a massive scale for many countries or even just the entire United States for that matter. Probably better that the miner uses his own resources for finding such information for now and just loads it in when he/she finds it. pubs.dggsalaskagov.us/webpubs/usgs/b/oversized/b0910cpt03.pdf |
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Post by the light works on Oct 28, 2016 15:20:09 GMT
my thinking would be that the table provided typical karat and impurity for the region the gold was in. if they know they can enter it directly, and if they don't they can access the table and look it up. Well, right. That'd be nice. But, as can be seen by this link below, the information about various regions is sort of 'locked up' within mining companies, individuals and various government entities who, apparently, only divulge a tidbit or two about their own local areas. For example, in this link, we see that the government only lists the fineness about the several mines in Alaska. No word on what the typical impurity is for these mines. So, as I said, for now, that kind of list remains a huge undertaking for anyone trying to define such information on a massive scale for many countries or even just the entire United States for that matter. Probably better that the miner uses his own resources for finding such information for now and just loads it in when he/she finds it. pubs.dggsalaskagov.us/webpubs/usgs/b/oversized/b0910cpt03.pdfat that point it would take a user forum to accumulate that data. - and I'm guessing the secrecy involved in gold mining would make that problematic. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 30, 2016 9:09:15 GMT
How about a white plastic card with some form of scale on it. Washable, always useful with wet gold?. Or, include a cube of known size, say a Dice cube to make it multi-purpose, that can be put on any white surface. Purity is partly seen by colour of the gold, so many miners know from experience the purity. A cube dice would not work, as a RPG and Board gamer I have seen too many of variable sizes to use them as a standard measure. From ones that as so small you can hardly read them to ones the size that you can just about hold in one hand. www.dicegamedepot.com/dice-sizes/The problem would be knowing which size it was to calibrate the app. A reference cube of a known size might be handy, but having been in the filed making on various geological fieldtrips I know how easily such things are at getting lost. Most good compasses and compass clinometers have a scale on the side that are used when reading maps, and those could be used. A credit card size scale that could be put in a wallet is a good idea. I did say a cube of known size, made to a dice for muti use.... I have dice of exact 1cm square size for gaming use, RPG, they are the same size as a grid square and can be used to calculate distances, across the grid, for travel time, thats where I got the idea from..... They are part of a set that has up to 20 sided dice in it. Dungeons and Dragons, 1970's if I remember right... |
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Post by mrfatso on Oct 30, 2016 15:25:20 GMT
A cube dice would not work, as a RPG and Board gamer I have seen too many of variable sizes to use them as a standard measure. From ones that as so small you can hardly read them to ones the size that you can just about hold in one hand. www.dicegamedepot.com/dice-sizes/The problem would be knowing which size it was to calibrate the app. A reference cube of a known size might be handy, but having been in the filed making on various geological fieldtrips I know how easily such things are at getting lost. Most good compasses and compass clinometers have a scale on the side that are used when reading maps, and those could be used. A credit card size scale that could be put in a wallet is a good idea. I did say a cube of known size, made to a dice for muti use.... I have dice of exact 1cm square size for gaming use, RPG, they are the same size as a grid square and can be used to calculate distances, across the grid, for travel time, thats where I got the idea from..... They are part of a set that has up to 20 sided dice in it. Dungeons and Dragons, 1970's if I remember right... The old soft plastic ones that rub off at the edges? The problem would be once the reference dice was lost a person might go into a story and buy any dice to replace it, and unless they are as familiar with dice sizes as you or I are get one slightly to small or large. |
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Post by silverdragon on Oct 31, 2016 10:35:49 GMT
No mine are actually quite hard.... Hang on a mo, I think I may have a reference picture.  For reference only, I think my set has more dice in it... hang on, check... yes, mine has got more dice in it. I have 12 for some reason?.. Oh yeah, it has more 6-side die to save time rolling the one dice multiple times... Something like that but more of a bronze-brown [almost steam punk] colour slightly opaque and quite hard plastic... the edges are rounded to save chipping them. [..I have also had arguments with Kids that as they are "MINE" and not common property to be taken and abused even though they are "cool" to modern gamers they are no longer toys.] I agree your point but suspect anyone who is familiar with the idea of using a known size reference for that type of program would be sensible enough to either measure the dice before purchase or make the necessary alterations to the program?... As in, back to MC's idea, and the idea of using a reference "shape" to estimate the size of the gold, would it be wise to put in a changeable scale in MM's for the reference shape you are using?.. |
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Post by the light works on Oct 31, 2016 14:44:17 GMT
No mine are actually quite hard.... Hang on a mo, I think I may have a reference picture. For reference only, I think my set has more dice in it... hang on, check... yes, mine has got more dice in it. I have 12 for some reason?.. Oh yeah, it has more 6-side die to save time rolling the one dice multiple times... Something like that but more of a bronze-brown [almost steam punk] colour slightly opaque and quite hard plastic... the edges are rounded to save chipping them. [..I have also had arguments with Kids that as they are "MINE" and not common property to be taken and abused even though they are "cool" to modern gamers they are no longer toys.] I agree your point but suspect anyone who is familiar with the idea of using a known size reference for that type of program would be sensible enough to either measure the dice before purchase or make the necessary alterations to the program?... As in, back to MC's idea, and the idea of using a reference "shape" to estimate the size of the gold, would it be wise to put in a changeable scale in MM's for the reference shape you are using?.. I have, somewhere in the games cabinet, a bag of dice that I accumulated during my gaming days, with all sorts, sizes, and shapes. here, the idea that any gamer would own only one of any given shape was a bit odd. |
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Post by rmc on Nov 1, 2016 21:31:41 GMT
What about using a coin of some sort instead of a die? The 'gold prospectors' who might use such an app could have money on them just as likely as a die, perhaps even moreso?
And, just for the moment, I'd like to revisit what my original post was about: within the 'instructions' link, located at the top of the calculator page, there is a site map at bottom that further allows a user to access the 'technical dissertation' link, (covering how the calculator was developed) *in other words the 'technical dissertation' link is located at bottom of 'instructions' page.
If anyone is interested, I have written up my understanding of all the science involved (with this calculator-stuff). Anyone disagree with anything written there?
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Post by the light works on Nov 2, 2016 0:33:13 GMT
What about using a coin of some sort instead of a die? The 'gold prospectors' who might use such an app could have money on them just as likely as a die, perhaps even moreso? And, just for the moment, I'd like to revisit what my original post was about: within the 'instructions' link, located at the top of the calculator page, there is a site map at bottom that further allows a user to access the 'technical dissertation' link, (covering how the calculator was developed) *in other words the 'technical dissertation' link is located at bottom of 'instructions' page. If anyone is interested, I have written up my understanding of all the science involved (with this calculator-stuff). Anyone disagree with anything written there? a coin would work as a size reference. using one as a color reference might be a bit more tricky. and I suspect the sciencey stuff is above my pay grade. |
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Post by mrfatso on Nov 2, 2016 7:33:48 GMT
No mine are actually quite hard.... Hang on a mo, I think I may have a reference picture. For reference only, I think my set has more dice in it... hang on, check... yes, mine has got more dice in it. I have 12 for some reason?.. Oh yeah, it has more 6-side die to save time rolling the one dice multiple times... Something like that but more of a bronze-brown [almost steam punk] colour slightly opaque and quite hard plastic... the edges are rounded to save chipping them. [..I have also had arguments with Kids that as they are "MINE" and not common property to be taken and abused even though they are "cool" to modern gamers they are no longer toys.] I agree your point but suspect anyone who is familiar with the idea of using a known size reference for that type of program would be sensible enough to either measure the dice before purchase or make the necessary alterations to the program?... As in, back to MC's idea, and the idea of using a reference "shape" to estimate the size of the gold, would it be wise to put in a changeable scale in MM's for the reference shape you are using?.. I have, somewhere in the games cabinet, a bag of dice that I accumulated during my gaming days, with all sorts, sizes, and shapes. here, the idea that any gamer would own only one of any given shape was a bit odd. I have a similar box of dice, including some Cryastal Cast Dce. www.thediceshoponline.com/dice-sets/1099/Crystal-Shaped-Interferenz-Purple-Dice-Dice-Sets |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 2, 2016 9:45:38 GMT
What about using a coin of some sort instead of a die? The 'gold prospectors' who might use such an app could have money on them just as likely as a die, perhaps even moreso? And, just for the moment, I'd like to revisit what my original post was about: within the 'instructions' link, located at the top of the calculator page, there is a site map at bottom that further allows a user to access the 'technical dissertation' link, (covering how the calculator was developed) *in other words the 'technical dissertation' link is located at bottom of 'instructions' page. If anyone is interested, I have written up my understanding of all the science involved (with this calculator-stuff). Anyone disagree with anything written there? a coin would work as a size reference. using one as a color reference might be a bit more tricky. and I suspect the sciencey stuff is above my pay grade. That maths is beyond my paygrade as well?... I am sure with time I could check your calculations, but I aint qualified to say that the maths is right or wrong at the moment. [That and I cant find my Texas Ti30 calculator at the moment, the only one I have that does parenthesis... ] [who knew... the Texas Ti30 has been named as one of the top 10 gadgets of all time, mine, from when it was first introduced in 1976, is still in perfect working order....] [some may say that the bog-standard calculator at my fingertips [wind-woes] can do exactly the same... I disagree... ]  |
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Post by the light works on Nov 2, 2016 14:05:11 GMT
a coin would work as a size reference. using one as a color reference might be a bit more tricky. and I suspect the sciencey stuff is above my pay grade. That maths is beyond my paygrade as well?... I am sure with time I could check your calculations, but I aint qualified to say that the maths is right or wrong at the moment. [That and I cant find my Texas Ti30 calculator at the moment, the only one I have that does parenthesis... ] [who knew... the Texas Ti30 has been named as one of the top 10 gadgets of all time, mine, from when it was first introduced in 1976, is still in perfect working order....] [some may say that the bog-standard calculator at my fingertips [wind-woes] can do exactly the same... I disagree... ] there is a new standard out there.  |
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Post by the light works on Nov 2, 2016 14:07:29 GMT
I have a pair of brass cylindrical D-6 similar to those. I also have a set of round D-6 (there is an internal cube with a weight that causes them to come to rest)  we grew up with a game called "skunk" which used D-6 with pictures of skunks where the ones ought to be. my brother appropriated them as wandering monster dice. |
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Post by rmc on Nov 2, 2016 17:18:07 GMT
"and I suspect the sciencey stuff is above my pay grade."
That's okay, and I am all for taking a thread as far as it will go, but please keep in mind the place I posted this is meant for "Technical questions". And my 'technical question' is if I accurately handled the math and science concepts now posted online by me, whereas they are now posted online and at risk of being interpreted by others as fact (I also asked if I displayed the information intuitively and all that, but the information's accuracy is at the heart, I think). In short, please continue with the interesting discussion about all that this thread gets you thinking about, but please remember it was originally posted here with a certain intent. Thanks again! Carry on!
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 3, 2016 8:30:15 GMT
"and I suspect the sciencey stuff is above my pay grade." That's okay, and I am all for taking a thread as far as it will go, but please keep in mind the place I posted this is meant for "Technical questions". And my 'technical question' is if I accurately handled the math and science concepts now posted online by me, whereas they are now posted online and at risk of being interpreted by others as fact (I also asked if I displayed the information intuitively and all that, but the information's accuracy is at the heart, I think). In short, please continue with the interesting discussion about all that this thread gets you thinking about, but please remember it was originally posted here with a certain intent. Thanks again! Carry on! We are "running with it" [probably carrying sharp scissors at the same time] as much as we can, but have probably reached the limits of what we can use, as in, you probably know more on the science stuff in your technical description page than all of us put together on this one subject?.. I would only be able to suggest a disclaimer that all of it is "As far as you know" and open to discussion, but I think you already did that. For me the site is perfectly good as it is. |
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