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Post by the light works on Jan 15, 2017 3:53:09 GMT
topics: painting with explosives, round 3 or 4. bogus round: are you more creative when buzzed?
well, we got three new takes on the painting with explosives myth. still got the same end result. (oops, was that a spoiler, or are we calling this a dead horse?)
then for the bonus round, they had the whole cast make clay sculptures of their heads - then get JUST too drunk to drive, and make more (well, 7, because 2 of the 9 do not drink) and yep, that was it for that myth. it is becoming obvious that myth #2 is filler.
(Mod note; Corrected spelling in thread title; Cyber)
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Post by ironhold on Jan 15, 2017 5:01:51 GMT
My take on the whole getting buzzed bit?
While they did excuse the two who didn't drink, given the way the whole "football" bit last episode played out, I'm wondering if their not drinking was used as a strike against them. If so, then that would be a really, really ugly turn of events for this show given that there are a number of people who have a variety of reasons for not drinking, including medical and religious; it sends a bad message out.
Furthermore, as someone who is a creative type, I can tell you that it's anything which messes with your head, be it sleep deprivation, illness, intoxication (even from medicine), or even mental illness. The trick is getting just enough to where you're not regretting things in the morning and you can still stand to look at your own work.
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Post by the light works on Jan 15, 2017 15:28:10 GMT
My take on the whole getting buzzed bit? While they did excuse the two who didn't drink, given the way the whole "football" bit last episode played out, I'm wondering if their not drinking was used as a strike against them. If so, then that would be a really, really ugly turn of events for this show given that there are a number of people who have a variety of reasons for not drinking, including medical and religious; it sends a bad message out. Furthermore, as someone who is a creative type, I can tell you that it's anything which messes with your head, be it sleep deprivation, illness, intoxication (even from medicine), or even mental illness. The trick is getting just enough to where you're not regretting things in the morning and you can still stand to look at your own work. I don't think either of the non drinkers were the ones who got the boot. but yes, from what I have seen a slight buzz can increase creativity and confidence, but too much can seriously degrade execution. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 15, 2017 15:32:53 GMT
Usually a buzz only increases perceived creativity.
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Post by the light works on Jan 15, 2017 15:44:09 GMT
Usually a buzz only increases perceived creativity. sometimes there is a connection between perceived creativity and real creativity, and sometimes there isn't. a person who has no talent sober will still have no talent, drunk. a person who is already performing at the top of their ability, sober, will have a decrease in execution, drunk. so it is a small portion who have ability, but are inhibited, sober, may release the ability, when slightly buzzed. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 15, 2017 15:57:31 GMT
Usually a buzz only increases perceived creativity. sometimes there is a connection between perceived creativity and real creativity, and sometimes there isn't. a person who has no talent sober will still have no talent, drunk. a person who is already performing at the top of their ability, sober, will have a decrease in execution, drunk. so it is a small portion who have ability, but are inhibited, sober, may release the ability, when slightly buzzed. There have been a lot of studies done on this. While a performer has insisted that they performed better while "high", when the recordings were played back later, even they admitted their performance was worse. Sort of like hot water freezing faster. There's always an exception. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 15, 2017 16:27:56 GMT
sometimes there is a connection between perceived creativity and real creativity, and sometimes there isn't. a person who has no talent sober will still have no talent, drunk. a person who is already performing at the top of their ability, sober, will have a decrease in execution, drunk. so it is a small portion who have ability, but are inhibited, sober, may release the ability, when slightly buzzed. There have been a lot of studies done on this. While a performer has insisted that they performed better while "high", when the recordings were played back later, even they admitted their performance was worse. Sort of like hot water freezing faster. There's always an exception. that's the decrease in execution part. we must also address the myth that more creativity always results in a more pleasing product. when I'm wiring a house, the customers usually want me to limit my creativity. I suspect when you are building ambulance climate control equipment, the ambulance manufacturers kind of want you to be more predictable than creative. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Jan 15, 2017 17:19:50 GMT
There have been a lot of studies done on this. While a performer has insisted that they performed better while "high", when the recordings were played back later, even they admitted their performance was worse. Sort of like hot water freezing faster. There's always an exception. that's the decrease in execution part. we must also address the myth that more creativity always results in a more pleasing product. when I'm wiring a house, the customers usually want me to limit my creativity. I suspect when you are building ambulance climate control equipment, the ambulance manufacturers kind of want you to be more predictable than creative. I guess being creative doesn't necessarily mean doing things better, just doing them differently. |
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Post by ironhold on Jan 15, 2017 19:30:50 GMT
In the world of writing (et al), creativity can sometimes be defined as "coming up with ideas you wouldn't otherwise come up with" or "coming up with ideas no one else has come up with".
In some instances, these can be good things because you're putting an original spin on something. But it's just as likely that the situation is really "Other people *have* come up with it, but they rejected it out-of-hand for being problematic in some fashion".
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 15, 2017 23:18:44 GMT
topics: painting with explosives, round 3 or 4. bogus round: are you more creative when buzzed? well, we got three new takes on the painting with explosives myth. still got the same end result. (oops, was that a spoiler, or are we calling this a dead horse?) then for the bonus round, they had the whole cast make clay sculptures of their heads - then get JUST too drunk to drive, and make more (well, 7, because 2 of the 9 do not drink) and yep, that was it for that myth. it is becoming obvious that myth #2 is filler. Keep in mind that this show is about testing potential hosts, rather than actually testing myths. In this context it is likely that they are keeping the more involved and new myths for the new Mythbusters series; Especially since with a larger group things could get chaotic very quickly. Expect more complex myths to turn up as the group size gets smaller. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 16, 2017 1:10:41 GMT
topics: painting with explosives, round 3 or 4. bogus round: are you more creative when buzzed? well, we got three new takes on the painting with explosives myth. still got the same end result. (oops, was that a spoiler, or are we calling this a dead horse?) then for the bonus round, they had the whole cast make clay sculptures of their heads - then get JUST too drunk to drive, and make more (well, 7, because 2 of the 9 do not drink) and yep, that was it for that myth. it is becoming obvious that myth #2 is filler. Keep in mind that this show is about testing potential hosts, rather than actually testing myths. In this context it is likely that they are keeping the more involved and new myths for the new Mythbusters series; Especially since with a larger group things could get chaotic very quickly. Expect more complex myths to turn up as the group size gets smaller. well, I wasn't so much objecting to the painting with explosives topic. just pointing out we pretty much know what the result will be. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 17, 2017 9:41:28 GMT
topics: painting with explosives, round 3 or 4. bogus round: are you more creative when buzzed? well, we got three new takes on the painting with explosives myth. still got the same end result. (oops, was that a spoiler, or are we calling this a dead horse?) then for the bonus round, they had the whole cast make clay sculptures of their heads - then get JUST too drunk to drive, and make more (well, 7, because 2 of the 9 do not drink) and yep, that was it for that myth. it is becoming obvious that myth #2 is filler. Keep in mind that this show is about testing potential hosts, rather than actually testing myths. In this context it is likely that they are keeping the more involved and new myths for the new Mythbusters series; Especially since with a larger group things could get chaotic very quickly. Expect more complex myths to turn up as the group size gets smaller. All Praise the Gods, Our dear Lord hath returned!... Praise the Gods... and hide the silver... especially the bits about the gambling den at the ESM... Hello Cyber, is it me or have you been on holiday recently?.. aint seen you about the place?. As you say, this is more how the team can deal with each other than how they bust myths, and how better than to test stuff that aint too hard, its a sort of "Running in" phase that isnt too taxing for them?. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Jan 18, 2017 15:30:21 GMT
I have to say I didn't understand the logic behind the "MVP" of the episode... I felt that person was a drag on the show personally...
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Post by ironhold on Jan 18, 2017 17:50:42 GMT
I have to say I didn't understand the logic behind the "MVP" of the episode... I felt that person was a drag on the show personally... Yeah; I was seeing flags that the so-called MVP was next. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 18, 2017 23:57:02 GMT
I have to say I didn't understand the logic behind the "MVP" of the episode... I felt that person was a drag on the show personally... Yeah; I was seeing flags that the so-called MVP was next. I forget who won it. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Jan 19, 2017 13:55:15 GMT
Well, I agree with Iron, I thought the person who 'won' (which is really the MVP) was maybe going to be on the chopping block. I intentionally didn't want to say who got it, or who went home because I wasn't sure if we are doing spoilers or not?
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 20, 2017 23:59:33 GMT
I have to say I didn't understand the logic behind the "MVP" of the episode... I felt that person was a drag on the show personally... Yeah; I was seeing flags that the so-called MVP was next. I totally agree and was utterly flabbergasted when he got the MVP. Especially because Kyle pointed out early in the show that he seemed to be noticing a pattern of whichever team this guy was on being unable to get anything done because he constantly had to argue with everyone. He's just too combative to really be productive. He's got that whole "my way is better because I thought of it" vibe going on*. As I wrote in my review of the first episode, I just don't like him! He seems difficult, bordering on impossible to work with. I know both Adam and Jamie could be slightly pig-headed at times, but this guy doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word "compromise" at all. His idea did fail spectacularly, though and as we all know, failure is always an option. *And for anyone who's read my review of episode 1, I've already spoiled who it is now, haven't I? |
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Post by the light works on Jan 21, 2017 0:20:45 GMT
Yeah; I was seeing flags that the so-called MVP was next. I totally agree and was utterly flabbergasted when he got the MVP. Especially because Kyle pointed out early in the show that he seemed to be noticing a pattern of whichever team this guy was on being unable to get anything done because he constantly had to argue with everyone. He's just too combative to really be productive. He's got that whole "my way is better because I thought of it" vibe going on*. As I wrote in my review of the first episode, I just don't like him! He seems difficult, bordering on impossible to work with. I know both Adam and Jamie could be slightly pig-headed at times, but this guy doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word "compromise" at all. His idea did fail spectacularly, though and as we all know, failure is always an option. *And for anyone who's read my review of episode 1, I've already spoiled who it is now, haven't I? I agree with your assessment of that individual. his ideas ARE creative, but he also has tunnel vision and a tendency to rigid thinking. and both episodes so far have had a delay in the build while his concept competed with somebody else's. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 21, 2017 0:54:31 GMT
I totally agree and was utterly flabbergasted when he got the MVP. Especially because Kyle pointed out early in the show that he seemed to be noticing a pattern of whichever team this guy was on being unable to get anything done because he constantly had to argue with everyone. He's just too combative to really be productive. He's got that whole "my way is better because I thought of it" vibe going on*. As I wrote in my review of the first episode, I just don't like him! He seems difficult, bordering on impossible to work with. I know both Adam and Jamie could be slightly pig-headed at times, but this guy doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word "compromise" at all. His idea did fail spectacularly, though and as we all know, failure is always an option. *And for anyone who's read my review of episode 1, I've already spoiled who it is now, haven't I? I agree with your assessment of that individual. his ideas ARE creative, but he also has tunnel vision and a tendency to rigid thinking. and both episodes so far have had a delay in the build while his concept competed with somebody else's. Yup. Not a person I'd like to work with, that's for sure. I just re-watched the first episode. While his team was discussing how to go about the build, he was constantly talking about " MY idea" and " MY design". I actually liked Allen cutting through the crap at one point and going, "Both of these designs will get the seat out of the car, you guys are just arguing over which one is going to shoot it further." Hours later, they're still debating which one to use, while the other team is already tearing their car apart. I know it takes two to argue, but based on the design they ended up using after taking a vote, I'm pretty sure I know who was primarily responsible for holding everything up and annoying everyone else, because his design was the one that got scrapped. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 21, 2017 2:06:34 GMT
I agree with your assessment of that individual. his ideas ARE creative, but he also has tunnel vision and a tendency to rigid thinking. and both episodes so far have had a delay in the build while his concept competed with somebody else's. Yup. Not a person I'd like to work with, that's for sure. I just re-watched the first episode. While his team was discussing how to go about the build, he was constantly talking about " MY idea" and " MY design". I actually liked Allen cutting through the crap at one point and going, "Both of these designs will get the seat out of the car, you guys are just arguing over which one is going to shoot it further." Hours later, they're still debating which one to use, while the other team is already tearing their car apart. I know it takes two to argue, but based on the design they ended up using after taking a vote, I'm pretty sure I know who was primarily responsible for holding everything up and annoying everyone else, because his design was the one that got scrapped. that said, I DID enjoy his failure in the paint machine. that was some nice devastation, there. |
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