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Post by the light works on Jan 22, 2017 3:15:49 GMT
Myth 1: can you build a cardboard boat?
Myth 2: can you shoot by sound?
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Post by the light works on Jan 22, 2017 3:41:51 GMT
Myth 1: this wasn't really much of a myth, but as a build project it was well chosen. it gave them a good clear objective and plenty of opportunity to fail. I think the person who went home earned it honestly, and I think other competitors are showing an increase in maturity and teamwork. this time, the MVP was no surprise. that, too, was earned honestly.
Myth 2: this time I came into the myth with the expectation that it would be mostly just putting people in a different environment and doing an almost random skill test; which was only minimally graded. so it was more or lessup to my expectations, and left me free to critique the execution.
that said, with the setup of a target stand, with a speaker on it (replicated three times), and the shooter was expected to shoot at the target that was making the high pitched noise. so: they brought the shooter in blindfolded, so they had no real elevation cues - while the myth was a shooter who knew his environment and then had no light. they had a well designed safety rig - basically a frame that limited their range of motion to prevent them doing the classic pinata maneuver. (whacking the host in the family jewels) to me, the largest flaw in the bust was the noise. they only used a high pitched tone as a test noise - a well known trio of scientists have demonstrated that a high pitched tone is hard to target, while a lower pitched white noise would have been easier to target. also, I wasn't sure where the actual speaker was - if it was on the ground under the target, that would explain why most of the competitors were shooting into the ground under the target.
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Post by ironhold on Jan 22, 2017 5:15:25 GMT
Cardboard Boat: The members of the blue team showed a rather impressive amount of maturity and teamwork. They all recognized that one of their guys was a specialist, and they swallowed their pride enough to listen to him. They worked together, innovated as necessary, and pulled together to get the job done. In contrast, red team was pretty well two teams operating at once on the same project. No communication there at all.
Firearms: Did anyone else notice that some of the people held the gun in a fashion that it was slightly angled downward? The weapon didn't seem to be level at all when I watched it, so I'm wondering if that's not part of the reason why some of them missed.
Elimination: They had two possible candidates this episode, and both of them squarely deserved it. The two showed no concept of teamwork on the build, and they showed a depressing level of incompetence with the gun.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 22, 2017 12:40:27 GMT
I have nothing to add on the cardboard boat thing, except for the observation that the guy I didn't like for a number of good reasons in the first two episodes actually started to exhibit some of the team work skills and humility that I'd been missing from him. He's also becoming better on camera. He's loosening up a bit, which suits him. He hasn't quite started to grow on me yet, but if he keeps evolving like he's been doing, he might.
As for the shooting blindfolded myth, I'm not ready to call that yet. Not one contestant fired in the wrong direction horizontally when the sound went off, but they all had issues with the vertical axis (I think it was Jon who pointed that out early on) and ended up shooting into the ground short of the target. They were clearly able to hear where the sound was coming from and point the gun in the right general direction. The elevation was just off. There were actually a few shots where they might have hit the bad guy in the foot if they'd been lucky. A more experienced shot might be able to overcome the elevation issue.
Standouts for this episode:
- Martin for his boat building, leadership and communication skills (I generally like him) - Tamara for some good ideas along the way, good team work abilities and becoming even better on camera than she was to begin with (she's apparently a teacher, so she's used to being "on") - Allen for team work abilities and just being naturally entertaining - Jon for cutting through the crap when his teammates went AWOL on Brian and him and just generally trying to make the best of a bad situation by at least making his team's effort entertaining to watch
I generally see those four as front runners to win it at this point. On the "being entertaining" part, Allen and Jon are both standouts in my opinion. It also seems like the editors have taken special note of Jon as someone who's good at explaining to camera how and why something does or doesn't work.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jan 22, 2017 13:10:57 GMT
Remember that these people are being thrown into a stressful enviroment most, if not all, not them, have no experience with. Being watched by a camera crew, and working with people you don't know, isn't easy and can cause people to not always come over well; Consider what Kari and Grant were like when they started hosting, and they were working with people they knew.
As time goes on, and they get used to each other and the camera we'll get to see more of their real personality. Something that might be worth keeping in mind not just for this show, but also the new series when it airs.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 22, 2017 14:06:30 GMT
Remember that these people are being thrown into a stressful enviroment most, if not all, not them, have no experience with. Being watched by a camera crew, and working with people you don't know, isn't easy and can cause people to not always come over well; Consider what Kari and Grant were like when they started hosting, and they were working with people they knew. As time goes on, and they get used to each other and the camera we'll get to see more of their real personality. Something that might be worth keeping in mind not just for this show, but also the new series when it airs. All true, which is why I've never gone on first impressions alone (as evidenced by my slowly shifting opinion of Hackett). Doing that, you can easily end up discarding a lot of good people that you might have eventually come to like if you'd given them a chance.
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Post by the light works on Jan 22, 2017 14:47:32 GMT
Cardboard Boat: The members of the blue team showed a rather impressive amount of maturity and teamwork. They all recognized that one of their guys was a specialist, and they swallowed their pride enough to listen to him. They worked together, innovated as necessary, and pulled together to get the job done. In contrast, red team was pretty well two teams operating at once on the same project. No communication there at all. Firearms: Did anyone else notice that some of the people held the gun in a fashion that it was slightly angled downward? The weapon didn't seem to be level at all when I watched it, so I'm wondering if that's not part of the reason why some of them missed. Elimination: They had two possible candidates this episode, and both of them squarely deserved it. The two showed no concept of teamwork on the build, and they showed a depressing level of incompetence with the gun. I agree that several of them had the gun in a bad grip, and that contributed to the poor aim. I view this as much as a fault in the way it was handed to them as the fault of the contestants - one of whom had said it was only the second occasion in which she had handled a gun, at all. I couldn't see anything in particular I could point to as a sign the gun failures were the fault of the last shooter. the touchy gun I had would fail to return to battery if it was not held properly this one appeared to be cycling properly. I noticed more that the breech did not latch open at the end of the session, and was concerned they were only having the shooters use half of a full magazine; which would result in a blindfolded handoff of a loaded gun. it may have been that the particular model of gun did not have a slide latch.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 22, 2017 21:47:37 GMT
Cardboard Boat: The members of the blue team showed a rather impressive amount of maturity and teamwork. They all recognized that one of their guys was a specialist, and they swallowed their pride enough to listen to him. They worked together, innovated as necessary, and pulled together to get the job done. In contrast, red team was pretty well two teams operating at once on the same project. No communication there at all. Firearms: Did anyone else notice that some of the people held the gun in a fashion that it was slightly angled downward? The weapon didn't seem to be level at all when I watched it, so I'm wondering if that's not part of the reason why some of them missed. Elimination: They had two possible candidates this episode, and both of them squarely deserved it. The two showed no concept of teamwork on the build, and they showed a depressing level of incompetence with the gun. I agree that several of them had the gun in a bad grip, and that contributed to the poor aim. I view this as much as a fault in the way it was handed to them as the fault of the contestants - one of whom had said it was only the second occasion in which she had handled a gun, at all. I couldn't see anything in particular I could point to as a sign the gun failures were the fault of the last shooter. the touchy gun I had would fail to return to battery if it was not held properly this one appeared to be cycling properly. I noticed more that the breech did not latch open at the end of the session, and was concerned they were only having the shooters use half of a full magazine; which would result in a blindfolded handoff of a loaded gun. it may have been that the particular model of gun did not have a slide latch. Looking at it again, it looks like he had a tendency to squeeze the thumb of his right hand up against the slide on the far side of the camera view. What's being seen as unsafe gun handling due to the jams seems more to me to be a case of him actually wanting to be safe, both by taking his index finger off the trigger in between shots and having his thumb ready to operate the safety. Because it's a .22 and the slide is so light weight compared to a higher caliber weapon, that thumb going for the safety catch seems to be inhibiting the slide from going all the way forward and locking the next round in the breech on the reload cycle. Even so, his reaction to each jam was to be calm and collected, keep his finger off the trigger, the gun pointed down range and wait for the range master, so I can't really see what's so unsafe about that. To be honest, after having seen that again, his partner in crime on the whole going AWOL on their team thing was a hell of a lot more unsafe at the range than he was. I'm not sure they made the right call on who went home and why there... EDIT: Just watched one more time and on the second jam, the slide didn't come back at all when the shot went off. I didn't see anything in his handling that could have caused that, so I think it's faulty ammo and bad luck on jam number two.
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Post by the light works on Jan 23, 2017 0:40:09 GMT
I agree that several of them had the gun in a bad grip, and that contributed to the poor aim. I view this as much as a fault in the way it was handed to them as the fault of the contestants - one of whom had said it was only the second occasion in which she had handled a gun, at all. I couldn't see anything in particular I could point to as a sign the gun failures were the fault of the last shooter. the touchy gun I had would fail to return to battery if it was not held properly this one appeared to be cycling properly. I noticed more that the breech did not latch open at the end of the session, and was concerned they were only having the shooters use half of a full magazine; which would result in a blindfolded handoff of a loaded gun. it may have been that the particular model of gun did not have a slide latch. Looking at it again, it looks like he had a tendency to squeeze the thumb of his right hand up against the slide on the far side of the camera view. What's being seen as unsafe gun handling due to the jams seems more to me to be a case of him actually wanting to be safe, both by taking his index finger off the trigger in between shots and having his thumb ready to operate the safety. Because it's a .22 and the slide is so light weight compared to a higher caliber weapon, that thumb going for the safety catch seems to be inhibiting the slide from going all the way forward and locking the next round in the breech on the reload cycle. Even so, his reaction to each jam was to be calm and collected, keep his finger off the trigger, the gun pointed down range and wait for the range master, so I can't really see what's so unsafe about that. To be honest, after having seen that again, his partner in crime on the whole going AWOL on their team thing was a hell of a lot more unsafe at the range than he was. I'm not sure they made the right call on who went home and why there... EDIT: Just watched one more time and on the second jam, the slide didn't come back at all when the shot went off. I didn't see anything in his handling that could have caused that, so I think it's faulty ammo and bad luck on jam number two. that gun did not seem exactly well engineered, to me. it looked like they tried to make something similar to an M1911 without violating copyright, so they made a bunch of funky changes that make it overcomplicated.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Jan 23, 2017 19:46:38 GMT
While I could agree that the gun issues may not have been the shooters fault, the fact that no one else had them, and the fact that the expert on the range seemed to feel it was, makes me believe it was. Something in his grip was poor, and watching it, it does look like he was holding it odd. As for the other person who was at the bottom, I think it'll be difficult for them to let her go, there are only 2 women left, so I think they'll stay unless there really isn't another candidate to go.
I also like the same folks Oz likes. John is quickly becoming a go to for explanations and is good in front of the camera. Alan is the kid inside us all, the kid we wish we could be, and on a show we all wish we could be on. He has some good all around skills, and is just an optimistic guy.
I still don't like Hackett, although he wasn't nearly as annoying this episode as in past episodes. It is very possible I'm biased against him, but I just don't care for him.
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Post by the light works on Jan 23, 2017 20:15:15 GMT
While I could agree that the gun issues may not have been the shooters fault, the fact that no one else had them, and the fact that the expert on the range seemed to feel it was, makes me believe it was. Something in his grip was poor, and watching it, it does look like he was holding it odd. As for the other person who was at the bottom, I think it'll be difficult for them to let her go, there are only 2 women left, so I think they'll stay unless there really isn't another candidate to go. I also like the same folks Oz likes. John is quickly becoming a go to for explanations and is good in front of the camera. Alan is the kid inside us all, the kid we wish we could be, and on a show we all wish we could be on. He has some good all around skills, and is just an optimistic guy. I still don't like Hackett, although he wasn't nearly as annoying this episode as in past episodes. It is very possible I'm biased against him, but I just don't care for him. you know what they say about first impressions. to me, the paddlewheel exercise was pretty significant. It was a case of two people taking it upon themselves to waste time and effort on something that anyone with any understanding of basic propulsion could clearly see would be little more than a decoration - and they did it at the expense of parts needed for function.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 23, 2017 21:45:51 GMT
While I could agree that the gun issues may not have been the shooters fault, the fact that no one else had them, and the fact that the expert on the range seemed to feel it was, makes me believe it was. Something in his grip was poor, and watching it, it does look like he was holding it odd. There was definitely something weird on his first shot, but I can't imagine what he could have done on the second one to make the slide not move at all. In my experience, that's either down to poor maintenance, bad ammo or a combination of both. As for the other person who was at the bottom, I think it'll be difficult for them to let her go, there are only 2 women left, so I think they'll stay unless there really isn't another candidate to go. Depends on whether they're going for the politically correct "we have a quota of females we need to meet", or if they're just going to pick whoever is best suited for the job. I generally like Tracy, but she didn't do well in this episode at all. She was downright unsafe at the gun range and, as TLW points out, she was part of the two person team that went off on their own and wasted a lot of time on something that didn't help anyone. As for why they did it, I think they both knew they were hanging on by a thread after the range and wanted to stand out. They succeeded in that, but not in a good way. I also like the same folks Oz likes. John is quickly becoming a go to for explanations and is good in front of the camera. Alan is the kid inside us all, the kid we wish we could be, and on a show we all wish we could be on. He has some good all around skills, and is just an optimistic guy. If I was making the call right now and we're going for a five person team like the original, I'd take those four and add Brian to the mix. He's not the best communicator, but there's a Jamie-like quality to his range of skills and that makes for some easy points. I completely agree with you on Allen. He's goofy and funny, but it doesn't seem forced. I don't get the impression that he's actively trying to be funny. He's just that guy. (No, not THAT guy. For this episode, Jason was THAT guy.) I still don't like Hackett, although he wasn't nearly as annoying this episode as in past episodes. It is very possible I'm biased against him, but I just don't care for him. There's still some arrogance to him that just seems out of place for a setting like MythBusters. Even when he conceded on camera that most of the reason for his team's win was Martin's knowledge of boat building, he still had to throw in that little, "Oh, okay... Yes, Captain Martin!" remark, like he resented Martin for having expertise in a field that he didn't. Considering the amount of humiliation you have to be willing to submit yourself to in the name of science on this show, that attitude doesn't fit in. There's a long way to go before I'll be able to say I like him, but he's getting better and I'll give credit where credit's due. Let's hope he keeps going down that road, because even though there are definitely a lot of things about him I don't like, there's something interesting about him too. Like when Kyle asked the contestants if they all still had their fingers before leaving the range and everyone stuck their hands out and started waving their fingers like a bunch of 5-year-olds. Hackett was the only one who didn't and that tells me he's less susceptible to social pressure than most people. That's a good trait to have if you're going to make a living challenging commonly held beliefs. If you blindly do what everyone else does or what you think is expected of you, how likely are you to seriously question what everyone else believes to be fact?
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Post by the light works on Jan 23, 2017 21:55:36 GMT
Brian is the tall bearded one, is he not? he also seems to have the same vibe as Jamie, to me. - and that does not appear to be an affectation - just that his personality falls along the same lines as Jamies.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 23, 2017 22:27:59 GMT
Brian is the tall bearded one, is he not? he also seems to have the same vibe as Jamie, to me. - and that does not appear to be an affectation - just that his personality falls along the same lines as Jamies. That's the one. He seems like a very stoic and pragmatic person who's picked up a lot of weird and wonderful skills along the way and you just know there's an interesting story attached to each and every one of them.
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Post by the light works on Jan 23, 2017 23:08:16 GMT
Brian is the tall bearded one, is he not? he also seems to have the same vibe as Jamie, to me. - and that does not appear to be an affectation - just that his personality falls along the same lines as Jamies. That's the one. He seems like a very stoic and pragmatic person who's picked up a lot of weird and wonderful skills along the way and you just know there's an interesting story attached to each and every one of them. maybe he and jamie are twins separated after fabrication.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 23, 2017 23:12:15 GMT
That's the one. He seems like a very stoic and pragmatic person who's picked up a lot of weird and wonderful skills along the way and you just know there's an interesting story attached to each and every one of them. maybe he and jamie are twins separated after fabrication. I'm pretty sure they broke the mold after Jamie was made
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Post by blazerrose on Jan 24, 2017 4:21:29 GMT
I think this was my favorite episode thus far. The boat build was interesting and showed creative thinking at a level we haven't seen yet. I loved the simplicity and elegance of the Blue team's boat - it actually looked like a boat. Granted, they had what could be seen as a ringer, but translating that into a team build is not that easy.
As for the gun segment, I think the girl should have actually been the one to lose the task because of her lack of paying attention to the range master's instructions on safe handling. You can't just be creative on MythBusters, you have to be safe and be willing to listen.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 24, 2017 7:57:52 GMT
Can I just put in a quick "thing" that I thought was known... Rangd sergeants on newbies, if you shoot low, they ask "Do you shut your eyes when you pull the trigger".... [or more accurate "Stop shutting your eye when you fire Plonka!!"] Many n00bs do that when they first start because "We all seen the rifle shoot backwards".
I thought it was a well known fact when you shut your eyes you loose sight of the target, people aim down at that point, maybe its a "Safety" thing?... Being blind in the first place, would you have to "fight" your own instincts to aim up at a target?.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 24, 2017 12:22:05 GMT
I think this was my favorite episode thus far. The boat build was interesting and showed creative thinking at a level we haven't seen yet. I loved the simplicity and elegance of the Blue team's boat - it actually looked like a boat. Granted, they had what could be seen as a ringer, but translating that into a team build is not that easy. As for the gun segment, I think the girl should have actually been the one to lose the task because of her lack of paying attention to the range master's instructions on safe handling. You can't just be creative on MythBusters, you have to be safe and be willing to listen. I think the reason Jason got booted off instead of Tracy was the fact that he went off on his own early on the boat build, came back to find that the others had changed the design and got angry with them for it. If he'd stayed with the rest of the team instead of doing the Lone Ranger routine, that wouldn't have happened, so he was essentially blaming them for his absence. Safe gun handling is a skill. It can be taught and trained. Training someone not to be an arrogant maverick is a bit harder.
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Post by the light works on Jan 24, 2017 14:48:41 GMT
I think this was my favorite episode thus far. The boat build was interesting and showed creative thinking at a level we haven't seen yet. I loved the simplicity and elegance of the Blue team's boat - it actually looked like a boat. Granted, they had what could be seen as a ringer, but translating that into a team build is not that easy. As for the gun segment, I think the girl should have actually been the one to lose the task because of her lack of paying attention to the range master's instructions on safe handling. You can't just be creative on MythBusters, you have to be safe and be willing to listen. I think the reason Jason got booted off instead of Tracy was the fact that he went off on his own early on the boat build, came back to find that the others had changed the design and got angry with them for it. If he'd stayed with the rest of the team instead of doing the Lone Ranger routine, that wouldn't have happened, so he was essentially blaming them for his absence. Safe gun handling is a skill. It can be taught and trained. Training someone not to be an arrogant maverick is a bit harder. now that you bring that up: he got angry at the rest of the team for going off on a foolish tangent - THEN HE went off on a foolish tangent. and as for the gun range troubles - gun range is probably about 25% of the score, and even though she started to bring the gun back in, she never actually got the barrel pointing in a bad direction, so it wasn't like she pulled it through the safety guard and started waving it around.
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