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Post by ironhold on Feb 12, 2017 23:05:34 GMT
I was able to sneak bits of the episode last night, and will watch it in full later.
That being said...
Hackett.
Gone.
The host himself admitted that this was a long time coming, given his behavior in not only this episode, but also in previous episodes. Red Team may have not factored in the prospect of their climbing wall having imperfections and deformations, but Hackett insisted upon using his stirrups even after Tamara and Martin showed that the wooden rigs worked better.
Like everyone here, I'd be happy if the host search ended here. The remaining five are all competent, dedicated, and professional. We even learned that Brian has a pilot's license, something that can be of benefit to the show by allowing him to personally handle some myths involving light aircraft.
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Post by WhutScreenName on Feb 13, 2017 2:34:19 GMT
One of the things they said at the end of the episode is that there are only 2 more episodes left... clearly they plan on cutting at least 1 more person, maybe 2 or 3 more? My hope is that the ones they cut, might be able to come back as guests from time to time. I feel they've all done well and earned their places. All 5 would make good hosts given the chance.
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Post by the light works on Feb 13, 2017 4:50:40 GMT
so - the vacuum cleaner can get a twelfth of an atmosphere, give or take.
I totally agree on the stirrup thing. rigid stirrups are much easier to work with than flexible ones.
as for red team's initial problems - yes, the mechanics were horrible for tall people.
the inexperienced pilot getting talked down in a small plane? been done, in real life.
looks like three made good landings, and one made a great landing.
(using the industry standard: any landing you can walk away from is a good one. any landing where you can reuse the airplane is a great one.)
I see now what you meant by the uneven climbing surface. and I must say I like the bottle clip on the red team's paddle. that's some thinking ahead.
Ironically, hacket's thought that he should have stepped to the front more was, once again, on the wrong track.
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Post by ironhold on Feb 13, 2017 16:32:43 GMT
OK. I finally saw the episode in full.
Looks like even blue team had trouble with that one section of the wall if Martin's performance is to go by, and their paddles were specifically *designed* to have such things taken into account. That tells me some of the results might be questionable. I know that they were looking for a tall building that already had all of the required safety rigging in place, but a better facility might be required for a full and proper test of the rigs.
And for red's rig, I'm wondering about the handles. The handles appeared to be solid pieces of wood situated perfectly horizontal. What if they used grips? That is, something they could actually wrap their fingers around instead of awkward and thick blocks?
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Post by the light works on Feb 13, 2017 16:44:42 GMT
OK. I finally saw the episode in full. Looks like even blue team had trouble with that one section of the wall if Martin's performance is to go by, and their paddles were specifically *designed* to have such things taken into account. That tells me some of the results might be questionable. I know that they were looking for a tall building that already had all of the required safety rigging in place, but a better facility might be required for a full and proper test of the rigs. And for red's rig, I'm wondering about the handles. The handles appeared to be solid pieces of wood situated perfectly horizontal. What if they used grips? That is, something they could actually wrap their fingers around instead of awkward and thick blocks? the biggest weakness of the systems is that despite the provision on both of the sets of airboxes, the surface irregularities in the tower were too much for them. they could have built their systems to be more forgiving, but it would have taken more planning and a more representative test wall. my training tower is even worse - it is made with rough faced block construction. hosing down the tower would have helped, as well. it would get the dust off, and a wet surface seals slightly better. on red's rig, it was not so much the design of the handles that was the issue - it was the length of the foot rests. had they added a foot to them for the tall guys, it would have gotten their weight lower, and their hands higher, and made it easier to work with. try climbing a vertical ladder sometime without ever putting your hands above your chest height, and you will see what I mean. |
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Post by blazerrose on Feb 14, 2017 1:36:10 GMT
So glad Hackett is gone now. He was enough of a wild card that he could actually be dangerous given some of the things that MythBusters test.
I wondered why they chose the exterior of the fire training tower with all of its flaws versus a regular wall that is smooth and clean. The rigs worked very well on the plywood, regardless of the operator's size.
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Post by the light works on Feb 14, 2017 14:21:59 GMT
So glad Hackett is gone now. He was enough of a wild card that he could actually be dangerous given some of the things that MythBusters test. I wondered why they chose the exterior of the fire training tower with all of its flaws versus a regular wall that is smooth and clean. The rigs worked very well on the plywood, regardless of the operator's size. it was as somebody above said, it was built such that it could accommodate the exercise - and I think the degree of irregularity was a surprise to all of them. |
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Post by ironhold on Feb 14, 2017 15:59:39 GMT
So glad Hackett is gone now. He was enough of a wild card that he could actually be dangerous given some of the things that MythBusters test. I wondered why they chose the exterior of the fire training tower with all of its flaws versus a regular wall that is smooth and clean. The rigs worked very well on the plywood, regardless of the operator's size. it was as somebody above said, it was built such that it could accommodate the exercise - and I think the degree of irregularity was a surprise to all of them. Yeah; if you'll recall, the host himself didn't know what was going on until he took a level on that section of wall. That's why Jon was given a second run on the other side of the wall, which was smoother at the starting point. My guess is that the show staff were simply thinking "large building with the safety rigging already in place" and didn't think too hard about anything beyond that. |
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Post by WhutScreenName on Feb 14, 2017 16:49:12 GMT
it was as somebody above said, it was built such that it could accommodate the exercise - and I think the degree of irregularity was a surprise to all of them. Yeah; if you'll recall, the host himself didn't know what was going on until he took a level on that section of wall. That's why Jon was given a second run on the other side of the wall, which was smoother at the starting point. My guess is that the show staff were simply thinking "large building with the safety rigging already in place" and didn't think too hard about anything beyond that. The one thing I didn't like was they let Jon try again from the other side because of the oddity of the wall, but when Martin pointed out all the dust on his side (or was it Brian?), they didn't let him try from the other side. I wasn't disappointing in the results, I didn't think both teams had a fair shake at the challenge. |
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Post by the light works on Feb 14, 2017 16:59:01 GMT
Yeah; if you'll recall, the host himself didn't know what was going on until he took a level on that section of wall. That's why Jon was given a second run on the other side of the wall, which was smoother at the starting point. My guess is that the show staff were simply thinking "large building with the safety rigging already in place" and didn't think too hard about anything beyond that. The one thing I didn't like was they let Jon try again from the other side because of the oddity of the wall, but when Martin pointed out all the dust on his side (or was it Brian?), they didn't let him try from the other side. I wasn't disappointing in the results, I didn't think both teams had a fair shake at the challenge. the dust was over the whole wall. I think that since it has been established that the team that "wins" gets little more than bragging rights (the MVP has been on the losing team at least once) the challenge, as it stood, was adequately fair. I would have liked to see a good enough wall surface that it could be made clear that hackett's stirrups were not effective, but we can't have everything we want. back to build design - I think I would have been tempted to glue a flexible rubber mat onto the airboxes, so it formed a skirt - that might have improved the seal on the irregular surface. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 14, 2017 18:21:52 GMT
Thoughts/notes on comments above;
Having a pilots licence is of minimal use for the show. In the entirety of TOS, and some 300 myths, it might have come into place twice; Plane on a Treadmill and Skydiving myths (the latter is questionable, as the skydiving companies insurance probably would only cover their employees).
In all other cases involving aircraft they were either on the ground (shredding a plane with a propeller), involved more that just a standard licence (the stunt flying in cold feet) or both (Jetwash taxi revisit).
The firefighters training tower was probably chosen because it was a safe controlled location that didn't cost the Earth. Controlled in this case meaning private land out of sight of the media.
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Post by the light works on Feb 14, 2017 18:31:00 GMT
Thoughts/notes on comments above; Having a pilots licence is of minimal use for the show. In the entirety of TOS, and some 300 myths, it might have come into place twice; Plane on a Treadmill and Skydiving myths (the latter is questionable, as the skydiving companies insurance probably would only cover their employees). In all other cases involving aircraft they were either on the ground (shredding a plane with a propeller), involved more that just a standard licence (the stunt flying in cold feet) or both (Jetwash taxi revisit). The firefighters training tower was probably chosen because it was a safe controlled location that didn't cost the Earth. Controlled in this case meaning private land out of sight of the media. and safe meaning already provided with "bombproof" anchors for the safety lines. |
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