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Post by OziRiS on Sept 2, 2017 12:16:42 GMT
How have we not mentioned a tape measure? because we use SAE measurements which are easy enough to estimate without needing a tape measure. but you're right. people in metricland need a tape measure. I don't know how it works for you, but my spatial awareness isn't tied to a specific measurement system. I primarily work with my eyes, my brain and my experience. Sure, if I have to give a number it'll be in centimeters or meters rather than inches or feet, but that's just down to what you're used to calling things. Eye measurement is a simple question of will it fit or won't it and if not, can I somehow make it fit without destroying anything? This much <---------------> will always be this much <---------------> no matter how you choose to describe that in numbers, so no, we metric users don't typically need a tape measure more often than SAE users do. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 2, 2017 13:20:05 GMT
because we use SAE measurements which are easy enough to estimate without needing a tape measure. but you're right. people in metricland need a tape measure. I don't know how it works for you, but my spatial awareness isn't tied to a specific measurement system. I primarily work with my eyes, my brain and my experience. Sure, if I have to give a number it'll be in centimeters or meters rather than inches or feet, but that's just down to what you're used to calling things. Eye measurement is a simple question of will it fit or won't it and if not, can I somehow make it fit without destroying anything? This much <---------------> will always be this much <---------------> no matter how you choose to describe that in numbers, so no, we metric users don't typically need a tape measure more often than SAE users do. on my computer, that's about the width of my thumb, which makes it about an inch. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 2, 2017 14:30:41 GMT
My tablesaw has a serious flaw. A horizontal top that seems to do nothing but collect clutter. By the time I unbury it, I forgot what I needed to use it for.
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Post by Lokifan on Sept 2, 2017 14:43:54 GMT
My tablesaw has a serious flaw. A horizontal top that seems to do nothing but collect clutter. By the time I unbury it, I forgot what I needed to use it for. I solved that problem by buying a portable one with a collapsible cart. It takes about two seconds to set it up or break it down. When stored, no flat horizontal top means no clutter collection, and it's tucked out of the way, to boot. For much of the year this also means I can work outside, which has its own set of benefits. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 2, 2017 14:56:49 GMT
My son has one of those. I find it much faster to run over to his place and borrow his portable table saw, than it is to unclutter mine.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 2, 2017 16:45:30 GMT
I don't know how it works for you, but my spatial awareness isn't tied to a specific measurement system. I primarily work with my eyes, my brain and my experience. Sure, if I have to give a number it'll be in centimeters or meters rather than inches or feet, but that's just down to what you're used to calling things. Eye measurement is a simple question of will it fit or won't it and if not, can I somehow make it fit without destroying anything? This much <---------------> will always be this much <---------------> no matter how you choose to describe that in numbers, so no, we metric users don't typically need a tape measure more often than SAE users do. on my computer, that's about the width of my thumb, which makes it about an inch. My guess would have been 2.5 cm and an inch is 2.54 cm, so my eye measurement is apparently just as good (or bad) as yours. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 2, 2017 23:22:07 GMT
My tablesaw has a serious flaw. A horizontal top that seems to do nothing but collect clutter. By the time I unbury it, I forgot what I needed to use it for. I solved that problem by buying a portable one with a collapsible cart. It takes about two seconds to set it up or break it down. When stored, no flat horizontal top means no clutter collection, and it's tucked out of the way, to boot. For much of the year this also means I can work outside, which has its own set of benefits. and do the tires hold air? to revisit the complaint about people putting tubeless pneumatic tires on things that could have solid tires just as easily. |
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Post by the light works on Sept 2, 2017 23:28:43 GMT
on my computer, that's about the width of my thumb, which makes it about an inch. My guess would have been 2.5 cm and an inch is 2.54 cm, so my eye measurement is apparently just as good (or bad) as yours. but note that mine was able to be described in round numbers, instead of decimal values. at risk of revisiting the metric vs legacy measurements debate - metric was designed for ease of manipulation of units. legacy measurements were made for convenient sized units. |
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Post by GTCGreg on Sept 3, 2017 3:15:26 GMT
My guess would have been 2.5 cm and an inch is 2.54 cm, so my eye measurement is apparently just as good (or bad) as yours. but note that mine was able to be described in round numbers, instead of decimal values. at risk of revisiting the metric vs legacy measurements debate - metric was designed for ease of manipulation of units. legacy measurements were made for convenient sized units. Who needs decimals when you can have 5 31/ 64 |
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Post by Lokifan on Sept 3, 2017 6:41:30 GMT
I solved that problem by buying a portable one with a collapsible cart. It takes about two seconds to set it up or break it down. When stored, no flat horizontal top means no clutter collection, and it's tucked out of the way, to boot. For much of the year this also means I can work outside, which has its own set of benefits. and do the tires hold air? to revisit the complaint about people putting tubeless pneumatic tires on things that could have solid tires just as easily. The tires are solid. Pneumatic tires are a bad idea when you want stability. |
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 3, 2017 7:42:24 GMT
My guess would have been 2.5 cm and an inch is 2.54 cm, so my eye measurement is apparently just as good (or bad) as yours. but note that mine was able to be described in round numbers, instead of decimal values. You never talk about half or quarter inches when doing eye measurements? In conversation, I would call mine "two and a half centimeters", not "two point five centimeters". at risk of revisiting the metric vs legacy measurements debate - metric was designed for ease of manipulation of units. legacy measurements were made for convenient sized units. True as that may be, metric users can still do estimates just as well as legacy users. Most of us use real world references, same as you, but we just call the measurements we get out of it something else. For example, just as you use the width of your thumb to do a rough estimate of an inch, I know that the nail on my left index finger is exactly 1cm wide. I also know that if I extend my middle finger and my thumb and press them down on a flat surface until the first joint (the one after the knuckle) of my index finger touches it, I've got almost exactly 20cm from fingertip to fingertip. If I need bigger measurements, I know my arm is almost exactly a meter long when I make a fist. If I'm doing length measurements on the ground, all I have to do is pace it out, just as you would. I just get smaller numbers because I get one meter for every three of your feet. If I'm doing height, I know my own, which is just shy of 1.9 meters. Knowing that, I have a good sense of how much two meters is and it doesn't take more than a quick glance to halve, double or even quadruple that in my head. Spatial awareness is an innate thing and how good or bad you are at it isn't affected by what measurement system you use to describe what you're looking at. I'm fairly certain the percentage of legacy users who are unable to correctly estimate whether their car will fit in that parking spot or not is roughly the same as it is in metric countries. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 3, 2017 8:45:37 GMT
whu go to the bother of changing a blade when you can just change saws? and keep in mind, the diameter of the motor on grandpa's saw is bigger than the blade on yours. it doesn't slow down. The stock of blades is in a draw under the table, the blade is one bolt, changing saws is four, and motor size, brushless max 1,000 watt modern, If I remember right, I aint seen it in months... I think it says it self-senses blade speed and adds power digitally as needed?.. if I need a bigger motor, I am using too big a piece of wood?.. that circular saw is bloody heavy, I have lighter ones, thats the biggest saw I will ever need, if its too small, I am taking on a job too big for me?. It also has a "slow start" function, part of my design for the table incorporates a brake calliper that hold the trigger at the speed I deem necessary. Hell yeah, the brake calliper was easy to fit around the handle, and a friction fit bolt through the brake handle attached at the side of the table lets me "set" speed. Its all "Approx", but better than nothing?. And all "Solid state", over-engineered for safety. The chop-saw is the same size motor.... and that can tackle six inch logs?. Its this way, I have decided that some jobs are too big for me, and have bought tools bigger than I need them, but, not industrial, to prevent me taking on stuff I shouldnt be doing?. Yep if you are inheriting a bigger saw, you dont count the teeth in the business end. I just didnt get that, so bought what I suspected would be "Enough" for me, and then tailored my own desk to fit... Which interestingly is now a few inches higher than the usual standard, because, I am tall, why should I be using stuff for shorter people?. I built it for use by tall people. Same with the saw-horses that support bigger pieces at each end, they are now extendible up to that table height. It can handle wood 4inch thick.. slowly, maybe, you may have a faster saw, but, the speed I do things depends on how accurate I need to be, and I like being accurate, so take it slow?. If I want fast rough cuts, I would use the reciprocating saw, or a chainsaw. |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 3, 2017 8:48:48 GMT
My Table saw...
On being in the right place at the right time during road upgrades, I managed to "acquire" a "No Parking" sign...
Its now in place on my table saw, and it works.
I would have used a bollard of the same ilk, but, they didnt want to throw any away that day?.
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Post by the light works on Sept 3, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
but note that mine was able to be described in round numbers, instead of decimal values. at risk of revisiting the metric vs legacy measurements debate - metric was designed for ease of manipulation of units. legacy measurements were made for convenient sized units. Who needs decimals when you can have 5 31/ 64that's 5 31/ 64leave the line |
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 4, 2017 11:04:05 GMT
Who needs decimals when you can have 5 31/ 64that's 5 31/ 64leave the lineI have my Granddads spanner inscribed 32/ 64 as proof he had a sense of humour.... When asked how he got hold of such?.. he would reply in a very dry manner "It was laying about, so I half-inched it", [where Half-Inched is a rhyming slang for Pinched, or Stole.] |
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Post by the light works on Sept 4, 2017 16:02:49 GMT
that's 5 31/ 64leave the lineI have my Granddads spanner inscribed 32/ 64 as proof he had a sense of humour.... When asked how he got hold of such?.. he would reply in a very dry manner "It was laying about, so I half-inched it", [where Half-Inched is a rhyming slang for Pinched, or Stole.] here, that would be, "that's mine, I stole it fair and square." it is with great pride I can say that I worked for 10 years before I ever paid money for a drywall saw. - and all without depriving someone else of one. |
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