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Post by silverdragon on Aug 22, 2017 10:09:13 GMT
I have had a request from a teacher in USA for any suitable myths that can be covered my "MS" Middle school, 7-9 yr olds, that maybe with the help of a teacher, they can investigate. This was on Twitter, so I am bringing it here for your perusal. I have directed him here to this site, which he was aware of already, he says he loves the site?. Anyways, can we get together and think on some myths to help him out. I have sent Cyber a message informing him of intent, and I am just opening this thread for anyone to post anything the can think of that may be of use, I am sure between us, we can offer something that may be of use to that age range. If that is stuff we have covered on here before, elsewhere, drag it into the conversation.... Thanks fglks, I am sure you will be all willing to give a helping hand to our younger generation. I am hoping that the teacher will be "Brave" enough to join up and ignore the evil senior member thread for a bit?. heh heh heh BTW, If anyone is on twitter and wants my Twit-vrerse handle, PM me here.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 22, 2017 11:00:12 GMT
Some depends on what health and safety will allow 7-9 years old to touch these days.
One idea I just had is the old Ice ships myth, a brief explanation of the story behind it then try an experiment to see if Pykrete is stronger than plain water ice. Make some sheets of ordinary ice by lining a baking tray and lining it with cling film, (seran wrap?) and then pouring water and allowing it to freeze, do the same with water and pulped newspaper to make a type of Pykrete. Turn these sheets out, the film makes this easier, and use two wooden blocks at either end to make bridges. You could add weights to bridge and record which one failed first to see if ice or pykrete was stronger. It's not an impact test so should not send shards of ice everywhere.
You could also,talk about the anomalous expansion of water and show how ice floats on water unlike most solid phases of the same substances where the solid is denser and sinks.
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Post by the light works on Aug 22, 2017 14:25:17 GMT
we do have a subsection of the board for kid friendly myths, as well.
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Post by ponytail61 on Aug 22, 2017 22:19:33 GMT
Silver if it is Middle School it is 7th - 9th graders here in the U.S. That age group is usually 12-15 or there abouts.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 23, 2017 8:32:31 GMT
Silver if it is Middle School it is 7th - 9th graders here in the U.S. That age group is usually 12-15 or there abouts. Thanks for that, so not 7-9 yr old, but YEAR 7-9?... you see how confusing this gets?. Its also how the modern UK schools get, and I always cant quite manage to work out what year they are. I went through year 1-5 at SENIOR school, so I effectively left in the 5th year, tell kids that these days, and they are confused as I am trying to work out what year they are in at their school... Its like a foreign world there, they do things exactly the same, but have switched out all the signs.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 24, 2017 5:33:16 GMT
Last I heard on this subject, the teacher was about to create a profile and come visit. Welcome to you if that is you and you are here?.
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Post by the light works on Aug 24, 2017 14:01:52 GMT
Last I heard on this subject, the teacher was about to create a profile and come visit. Welcome to you if that is you and you are here?. I agree. I think we are also officially supposed to be teen friendly, are we not?
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 27, 2017 17:34:41 GMT
The Board is PG-13/14 (Or the equivalent for those outside the USA) as this is the rating the series has tended to aim for. (Its also the minimum age at which you can have an account on Proboards, or most websites/social media sites)
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 29, 2017 22:52:29 GMT
Could we perhaps get a little more information about what purpose this will be serving?
Are we talking real science class experiments, or just something fun to do at an outing or themed day? What background knowledge do the students have in physics, chemistry and so on? At what level are they supposed to be challenged and what outcome is this person hoping for? Piquing curiosity in general, or specifically teaching the ways of the scientific method? Are the kids going to be designing their own experiments to answer question posed by the myth, or will they just go through the motions of one that we've suggested - testing method and all - and then trying to explain the results they see?
I'd love to help, but without knowing what the goals of this exercise are, it's difficult to come up with the right thing. It could quickly end up getting too easy or difficult, or just not anywhere near what this person is looking for.
For instance, if your teacher friend is searching for a fun way to practically teach Newton's laws, there's not much point in suggesting a myth that involves looking at how butterflies behave inside a jar. If it's something about electromagnetism, he won't get there by us suggesting myths that only involve levers and pulleys. If it's just a matter of doing something for a single period that gets them interested in doing experiments, maybe we shouldn't suggest things that might take a full day or longer.
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Post by the light works on Aug 30, 2017 1:26:16 GMT
Could we perhaps get a little more information about what purpose this will be serving? Are we talking real science class experiments, or just something fun to do at an outing or themed day? What background knowledge do the students have in physics, chemistry and so on? At what level are they supposed to be challenged and what outcome is this person hoping for? Piquing curiosity in general, or specifically teaching the ways of the scientific method? Are the kids going to be designing their own experiments to answer question posed by the myth, or will they just go through the motions of one that we've suggested - testing method and all - and then trying to explain the results they see? I'd love to help, but without knowing what the goals of this exercise are, it's difficult to come up with the right thing. It could quickly end up getting too easy or difficult, or just not anywhere near what this person is looking for. For instance, if your teacher friend is searching for a fun way to practically teach Newton's laws, there's not much point in suggesting a myth that involves looking at how butterflies behave inside a jar. If it's something about electromagnetism, he won't get there by us suggesting myths that only involve levers and pulleys. If it's just a matter of doing something for a single period that gets them interested in doing experiments, maybe we shouldn't suggest things that might take a full day or longer. middle school would be basic science with limited explosions (I recall we chemically cracked HCL with zinc to liberate hydrogen in 7th or 8th grade) but your levers and pulleys comment reminds me of how hard it is for people to wrap their minds around the fact that your point of view doesn't change mechanical advantage calculations. which is to say, if you have a truck with a winch, and run the line through a snatch block and back to the truck, it is the same mechanical advantage whether you are using the truck to move an object, or are using the object as an anchor for moving the truck.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 31, 2017 9:28:47 GMT
I have extended the invite and welcome note to participate in the board. I am suspecting that this teacher may be involved in pre-term activities, much as my Wife can see going on in her own school that she works as support staff for, so maybe he is "A Little Busy" right now, but we can only wait for the participation?..
They are welcome here.
Again, if anyone has suggestions, jump in, keep the thread relevant, and just hope we have a reply?. I have stated we are more than willing to help, if they can just point us in a direction that is suitable.
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Post by the light works on Aug 31, 2017 14:14:21 GMT
I have extended the invite and welcome note to participate in the board. I am suspecting that this teacher may be involved in pre-term activities, much as my Wife can see going on in her own school that she works as support staff for, so maybe he is "A Little Busy" right now, but we can only wait for the participation?.. They are welcome here. Again, if anyone has suggestions, jump in, keep the thread relevant, and just hope we have a reply?. I have stated we are more than willing to help, if they can just point us in a direction that is suitable. yes. in Oregon, schools are coming into session for the season. It occurs to me that knowing what sort of materials budget we are looking at would be useful. if the teacher has to make do with what can be scrounged, we should design experiments accordingly.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 1, 2017 22:21:16 GMT
If they're on a budget, just look at what Einstein achieved with thought experiments. Those shouldn't be ruled out.
In this day and age of interwebz in everyone's pockets, using your own brain to ask, imagine, explore and draw conclusions - even wrong ones - can be a great exercise in, well, using your brain.
You can get a lot out of a pencil, a notepad and an interesting question.
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Post by Cybermortis on Sept 2, 2017 0:41:50 GMT
I'm wondering how much interest there might be in a 'Mythbusters Science Pack' for school's?
If it seems there is a decent amount of interest it's possible that Discovery* might be persuaded to create and release such a pack. Maybe Silver should ask his teacher friend to ask around to see what other teachers think of the idea?
(*Discovery owns both Discovery and the Science Channel, lest we forget. This at least means that there would be no rights issues if such a pack was released.)
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Post by ironhold on Sept 2, 2017 6:08:09 GMT
I'm wondering how much interest there might be in a 'Mythbusters Science Pack' for school's? If it seems there is a decent amount of interest it's possible that Discovery* might be persuaded to create and release such a pack. Maybe Silver should ask his teacher friend to ask around to see what other teachers think of the idea? (*Discovery owns both Discovery and the Science Channel, lest we forget. This at least means that there would be no rights issues if such a pack was released.) About the science packs - One of the channels in the Discovery line-up is Discovery Family. The channel first launched as Discovery Kids. When the ratings proved abysmal, Discovery brought toy company Hasbro and greeting card company American Greetings - which actually holds several intellectual properties - on board as partners to help re-brand the channel as The Hub. Discovery did exercise a clause in the agreement that allowed them to take majority stake in the channel back, so I don't know how involved AG still is. But Hasbro's still actively involved. Given this, I'm wondering what would happen if Discovery sat down with Hasbro and AG to come up with full-fledged "science packs" as a joint project. Yes, a Mythbusters pack as a general overall thing, but what about something like a Transformers pack to introduce kids to STEM and a My Little Pony pack to introduce kids to the life sciences?
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Post by silverdragon on Sept 2, 2017 8:08:52 GMT
I'm wondering how much interest there might be in a 'Mythbusters Science Pack' for school's? If it seems there is a decent amount of interest it's possible that Discovery* might be persuaded to create and release such a pack. Maybe Silver should ask his teacher friend to ask around to see what other teachers think of the idea? (*Discovery owns both Discovery and the Science Channel, lest we forget. This at least means that there would be no rights issues if such a pack was released.) On it Boss... will report back if I get a reply.
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Post by OziRiS on Sept 2, 2017 12:36:26 GMT
I'm wondering how much interest there might be in a 'Mythbusters Science Pack' for school's? If it seems there is a decent amount of interest it's possible that Discovery* might be persuaded to create and release such a pack. Maybe Silver should ask his teacher friend to ask around to see what other teachers think of the idea? (*Discovery owns both Discovery and the Science Channel, lest we forget. This at least means that there would be no rights issues if such a pack was released.) About the science packs - One of the channels in the Discovery line-up is Discovery Family. The channel first launched as Discovery Kids. When the ratings proved abysmal, Discovery brought toy company Hasbro and greeting card company American Greetings - which actually holds several intellectual properties - on board as partners to help re-brand the channel as The Hub. Discovery did exercise a clause in the agreement that allowed them to take majority stake in the channel back, so I don't know how involved AG still is. But Hasbro's still actively involved. Given this, I'm wondering what would happen if Discovery sat down with Hasbro and AG to come up with full-fledged "science packs" as a joint project. Yes, a Mythbusters pack as a general overall thing, but what about something like a Transformers pack to introduce kids to STEM and a My Little Pony pack to introduce kids to the life sciences? Not a bad idea to combine well known toy brands with science education. I like it.
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Post by scienceteachertx on Oct 19, 2017 19:14:42 GMT
Apologies all! The "Teacher in Question" is I. As Silver correctly guessed I got wrapped up in the craziness that is the beginning of school.
Background: This class is brand new to my school and it is called "Mythsolvers". The whole purpose of this class is to foster exploration/critical thinking/experimental design. I have been given complete freedom on which topics to cover but I would love if the experiments were closely related to 8th grade science subjects (newton's laws, basic force and motion, periodic table/chemistry). We have been a little all over the place so far this year as I have let students drive a few of the experiments.
Experiments/Activities Thus Far: -Giant Paper Airplane off a stadium (drag, lift, thrust, gravity) -Mentos in Coke -Can you pull a table cloth off a set table? -Can an egg bounce? -Created "Hot Ice" (This has been my favorite thus far!)
Basically, the duration of the experiments or activities does not matter. I prefer activities that do not require crazy materials but I also have a great set of parents that are willing to pitch in and get me most any materials that would be needed.
Looking forward to chatting with you all.
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Post by Cybermortis on Oct 19, 2017 19:34:38 GMT
Welcome to the board.
Just to clarrify for those outside North America, as I understand it 8th Grade is 13-14 year olds?
Thoughts;
I guess you could show off the principle behind a Harriers VTOL system using plastic piping and an air blower.
Air Plane on a tread mill might be a myth you could duplicate, at least at scale, if someone has an RC aircraft they are willing to loan you. That could be a case of running through and discussing the theory in class, then going outdoors to actually test the science.
In a similar vein the myth about birds flying in a truck reducing its weight could easily be tested using small drones - I'm guessing that several of the students probably own their own small drones or mini-RC helicopters.
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Post by the light works on Oct 19, 2017 21:03:13 GMT
welcome aboard.
and congratulations on seeking to encourage thinking.
It will take you a while to fully explore the board, but you might find something we have forgotten in the archives.
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