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Post by koshka on Nov 30, 2017 16:09:45 GMT
"Dutch Oven" -- If they're going to use slang terms to title a segment, they need to do a better job of explaining what they're talking about. This is the only usage I'd ever heard for that phrase: While the subsequent animation made it clear, the spoken myth intro made this sound like a body odor myth instead of a flatulence myth. (And why was the intro so full of euphemisms when the guys just said "fart" during the rest of the episode?) Earthquake Water Heater: Personally, I don't think this rated Plausible based on the test we saw. Maybe if the RV was parked on a lower level so the water heater hit the side instead of the chassis it would have done more damage. I've never owned an RV, and the camping trailers family members have owned were much lighter construction than an RV. I don't know how those are put together. But assuming that would happen in order to stick a Plausible label instead of Busted on it? Nope, not buying it.
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Post by the light works on Dec 4, 2017 5:09:18 GMT
my results varied. of course, I already know what the "dutch oven" is. yes, the euphemism could have been a little clearer in the intro; but they did sort of make it a meme to use as wide a variety of euphemisms they could in the course of the show. overall this segment looked a lot like a "hey we need to do another flatulence segment, what can we do" effort.
as far as earthquake water heater, I think plausible is perfectly plausible. we already know it can go through multiple floors and roofs, and it was just that pesky steel frame of the RV (not the chassis) that stopped it, so yes, knowing what I know about how RVs are built, I would imagine in the revisit, they can stack RVs up and see how many the tank will go through.
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 9, 2017 8:05:46 GMT
Dutch Oven, never heard flatulence called that before. Anyone care to venture the origin of that phrase, other than "I heard it down the pub one time"?. Is this an American thing?. is it regional?. However, busted, busted well, and thank gawd it is, because you just know some plonka will try that at home in the garden.
Water heater. Who da heck puts a water heater that low anyway..... Surely you have to think that many homes with water heaters have foundations, and indeed, a water heater on the ground level may be higher than the chassis of a vehicle, so good call for re-visit.
But in choice of RV's.... Here we have the Caravan, the towed-behind-a-car mobile road block, and for much of what I can remember, most of them these days are mostly Plastic, reinforced fibreglass, chipboard MDF and plastic insides, and I would guess that you could stack three or four side by side in a row and the heater is going to clear most of them.
I therefore have questions.
How MUCH power in a water-heater?.
On remembering the one with the Gas cylinder that set off like a rocket when the head was detached, and what damage that did, and on reviewing the highspeed frame by frame on my own TV of the smaller heater, I am guessing maybe a house wall, not just a shed. So will it breeze through a breeze-block and brick double skin house wall?.
And then how many caravans/RV's as well?.
We can kind of see already that its going through the RV's. so, ramp it up, what damage will it do to any other kind of vehicle?.
The re-do on this kind of looks like it could be a lot of fun.
However, I have a suggestion..... You already know what kind of temps and pressure your getting from steam. Would there be a way of supercharging the system in that a high pressure "shot" of pressurised steam from another device could be used to trigger the water cannon, thus making the exact time of departure a known, instead of having to wait around for hours?.
Here's the suggestion, build a steam engine, and instead of the usual cylinders to power other things, send the shot of steam straight down the pipe to the water heater cylinder that has been filled and pre-warmed to close to the desired temp, to instantly flash over the cylinder to departure levels.
Of course a instant release system would be needed...
Or... steam cannon idea, the system used to launch cars in special effects, just attach a water heater filled with hot water to the front of one of them, "bottle rocket" style... We already know what kind of pressure your going to get with a water heater, you can easily replicate that without having to wait for another one to fail?.
But this method could be used to fire off a series of heaters in quick succession for repeat testing of what other ideas needed testing?.
Your sort of creating a water-heater machine gun?.
And who wouldnt wanna see that go boom?.
Super-super size, have the navy got any spare cannon barrels lying about that could be used to aim a few water heaters with pin point precision and a shot of steam ?.
Now THAT I want to see.
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Post by the light works on Dec 9, 2017 8:23:09 GMT
both of mine, if they get tipped over, will be at ground level.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 9, 2017 15:14:13 GMT
The largest guns ever carried by a warship were the 18 (actually 18.1) inch guns on the Japanese Yamato class battleships. The largest carried on a US Navy warship were the 16 inch guns of the Iowa Class Battleships, with modern (US) ships carrying a 5 inch gun (Which has been more or less a standard fixture on US warships, at least in terms of caliber, for some 100 years)
The diameter of the smallest water tanks I can find are 20 inches.
Leaving out if MB would be interested in trying this, the only concern would be finding a location where they are not going to hit anything. They would be better served just using a water pipe, which would be wide enough to accommodate a tank.
Note; They would need to add about two inches or so to the diameter of the pipe to account for the power and water connections, which tend to be located on the side of the tank.
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Post by ironhold on Dec 9, 2017 15:45:48 GMT
Yeah; "shooting things out of cannons" nowadays probably requires too much effort to source a location outside of "in the middle of the desert" to just be a casually-used method of testing myths.
Maybe if they're cozy enough with the Department of Defense they could get permission to use a military base's live-fire range, but even then issues can still easily arise. Here at Ft. Hood, for example, we have issues with windows and other items vibrating or even getting damaged whenever a heavy enough bombardment run takes place at the training ranges, and 20 years ago there was an incident in which an artillery unit accidentally shelled a house because the officer in charge had his azimuth a full 90 degrees off of where it was supposed to be.
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 10, 2017 10:05:06 GMT
The largest guns ever carried by a warship were the 18 (actually 18.1) inch guns on the Japanese Yamato class battleships. The largest carried on a US Navy warship were the 16 inch guns of the Iowa Class Battleships, with modern (US) ships carrying a 5 inch gun (Which has been more or less a standard fixture on US warships, at least in terms of caliber, for some 100 years) The diameter of the smallest water tanks I can find are 20 inches. Leaving out if MB would be interested in trying this, the only concern would be finding a location where they are not going to hit anything. They would be better served just using a water pipe, which would be wide enough to accommodate a tank. Note; They would need to add about two inches or so to the diameter of the pipe to account for the power and water connections, which tend to be located on the side of the tank. We have proof of concept, in that a water tank will fly.... On super-sizing, do we need to be all that exact?. I know a few people who could weld copper into a cylinder shape, minus all the heat jacketing, and leave you a couple of ports on the base, which we know is where they are going to fail, to any size you need?. And probably a dozen at darn site cheaper than half a dozen full water heaters..?. This way, the base gets left in the breach, you dont need to think of having them fly off with pipe attached, you get to keep all the sensors as well, and just the top flys out. Which if you aim "Out to sea", pretty much fire and forget. [check for shipping first?....] Heck take the full experiment Naval.. pretty much sure if you ask the Navy nicely they will jump at the chance?.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 10, 2017 13:24:53 GMT
Don't forget;
Mythbusters has a limited budget. It is best to look at ways to test ideas as cheaply as possible, especially as in this case when you have to spend additional money filming on location.
Making a large copper pipe for this would be FAR to expensive. Faster, easier and cheaper to just use large PVC water pipes.
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Post by the light works on Dec 10, 2017 15:06:13 GMT
Don't forget; Mythbusters has a limited budget. It is best to look at ways to test ideas as cheaply as possible, especially as in this case when you have to spend additional money filming on location. Making a large copper pipe for this would be FAR to expensive. Faster, easier and cheaper to just use large PVC water pipes. besides which, the internal tank on a water heater is welded steel, not soldered copper. my end analysis, though: supersizing it to naval gunnery is fun to think about, but highly unlikely to happen.
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 11, 2017 7:16:47 GMT
Don't forget; Mythbusters has a limited budget. It is best to look at ways to test ideas as cheaply as possible, especially as in this case when you have to spend additional money filming on location. Making a large copper pipe for this would be FAR to expensive. Faster, easier and cheaper to just use large PVC water pipes. besides which, the internal tank on a water heater is welded steel, not soldered copper. my end analysis, though: supersizing it to naval gunnery is fun to think about, but highly unlikely to happen. Just a sec--- Ok, make that a few mins whilst I remove lagging... My water heater here is copper. Cost cutting, I am suggesting creation of fake water heaters in shape and size "close to" the original to save money on buying full water heaters, copper or steel, dont mind which.... I am then suggesting making them the same size as the bore of a naval big gun to save on creating a barrel to fire them out of, being that they already exist, and I am suspicious of releasing all that power in a controlled explosion into a plastic barrel, I suspect its going to blow the barrel. But yeah, its fun to think these things through, now and again you pot a spot of brilliance?.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 11, 2017 14:25:33 GMT
The largest naval barrel they *might* be able to get hold of would be a 5 inch gun.
The 16 inch guns that are not fitted to the four remaining Iowa Class Battleships were disposed of; And those remaining ships are museum ships they will NOT be allowed to run tests on.
Over the counter water heaters cost around $400 new in the US for a basic tank. Although I suspect MB may have been getting older second hand tanks from companies that removed them from homes when they installed a newer heater or demolished the building. Although MB would probably be able to make a tank for themselves, the material savings would be offset by the construction time and above all safety concerns - Any tank they make would be of unknown quality. Whereas over the counter tanks, even second hand, will be a known quality in terms of failure pressures. These factors mean that the $400 baseline figure is worth it, and allows for two or three tanks for more than one test. Even if they did make their own tank they would simply not have the time to make two.
So practicality and safety dictates using an existing tank, which gives a minimum bore size of 22 inches. This is far beyond the size of any gun the US armed forces have ever had.
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 12, 2017 7:01:30 GMT
The largest naval barrel they *might* be able to get hold of would be a 5 inch gun. The 16 inch guns that are not fitted to the four remaining Iowa Class Battleships were disposed of; And those remaining ships are museum ships they will NOT be allowed to run tests on. Over the counter water heaters cost around $400 new in the US for a basic tank. Although I suspect MB may have been getting older second hand tanks from companies that removed them from homes when they installed a newer heater or demolished the building. Although MB would probably be able to make a tank for themselves, the material savings would be offset by the construction time and above all safety concerns - Any tank they make would be of unknown quality. Whereas over the counter tanks, even second hand, will be a known quality in terms of failure pressures. These factors mean that the $400 baseline figure is worth it, and allows for two or three tanks for more than one test. Even if they did make their own tank they would simply not have the time to make two. So practicality and safety dictates using an existing tank, which gives a minimum bore size of 22 inches. This is far beyond the size of any gun the US armed forces have ever had. Ah now that may be a problem. You may be right in suggesting a water pipe then... concrete?.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 12, 2017 11:26:48 GMT
Simple dirt would be the most viable option; Concrete has to be poured within about an hour and a half of being put into a cement truck* and any location they could safely test firing a water-heater cannon is probably going to be outside this distance when roads and location of facilities are taken into account. You also run into problems of clean up, which would be time consuming and expensive.
With dirt they just need a digger, which due to its tracked nature would also be able to get to places no cement truck could.
Yes, the pipe is most likely going to get destroyed during testing, another reason for going with PVC which is cheaper. So embedding the pipe in something else is not about saving the pipe but making sure that when it fails it doesn't scatter sharp chunks of material over the landscape where they could pose a danger either to anyone around during testing or to people and animals afterwards.
(*This is why it is not unusual to find that major construction jobs, especially those in more remote places; or at least not well served by roads, actually have concrete production facilities on site.)
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Post by the light works on Dec 12, 2017 15:40:43 GMT
Simple dirt would be the most viable option; Concrete has to be poured within about an hour and a half of being put into a cement truck* and any location they could safely test firing a water-heater cannon is probably going to be outside this distance when roads and location of facilities are taken into account. You also run into problems of clean up, which would be time consuming and expensive. With dirt they just need a digger, which due to its tracked nature would also be able to get to places no cement truck could. Yes, the pipe is most likely going to get destroyed during testing, another reason for going with PVC which is cheaper. So embedding the pipe in something else is not about saving the pipe but making sure that when it fails it doesn't scatter sharp chunks of material over the landscape where they could pose a danger either to anyone around during testing or to people and animals afterwards. (*This is why it is not unusual to find that major construction jobs, especially those in more remote places; or at least not well served by roads, actually have concrete production facilities on site.) if you come up short on the concrete, that also becomes shrapnel. I'm not sure how hard it would be to make a cardboard "barrel" in the needed size, but that would be a much safer option for an earth packed launcher.
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