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Post by pulp on Nov 25, 2012 14:48:17 GMT
I can't post any photos from this computer, but so far deer season has been pretty good.
My granddaughter got her first buck yesterday morning, she's 13. It was a little 4 point, field dressed at 92 pounds. She was using a Rossi Youth rifle in .223. I don't have any details of range of shot etc.
I got a 7 point Wednesday morning with my H&R Buffalo Classic in .45-70. 476 grain cast bullet over 65 grains of Goex FFg. I shot him from about 40 yards, through and through lung shot. Oddly, he didn't leave a blood trail. I tracked him for about 50 yards before finding blood, and then it was a very faint trail. I finally found him about 100 yards from where he was shot.
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Post by KMCCLA on Nov 25, 2012 15:17:24 GMT
I do not hunt, but my boss does. He took a small doe, had it dressed and everything else, but we had deer chilli a few days later.
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Post by pulp on Nov 25, 2012 19:55:18 GMT
"I do not hunt," Well, that's something you need to remedy. Just kidding, I know hunting is not for everybody. It's a very personal choice one must make without pressure from anyone else.
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Post by KMCCLA on Nov 25, 2012 23:59:05 GMT
To tell the truth I have nothing wrong with it, for the most part. I see it is perfectly acceptable if you are going to put food on the table. I do like to fish (although it has been a few years now), and my father never took me hunting (I did not even learn to fish until I was in my late 30's), so now that I am in my early mid 40's I really do not want or find the need to go hunting. The only real problem with hunters are the ones who simply go out to the "trophy rack", that or "just to kill" something. A few years back, we had someone who killed a deer on the side of the road, and just took the head and rack -- I find that wasteful and wrong. However, I doubt that most hunters are like that.
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Post by pulp on Nov 26, 2012 0:21:11 GMT
You are correct. No one hates poachers and wasters more than hunters. Spotlighting deer is very common around my part of the world. The game rangers do what they can, but McCurtain County is actually bigger than Rhode Island or Connecticut, and has a population under 30,000. Three game rangers are spread way too thin to ever put a total stop to it.
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Post by ironhold on Nov 26, 2012 2:50:55 GMT
The only real problem with hunters are the ones who simply go out to the "trophy rack", that or "just to kill" something. A few years back, we had someone who killed a deer on the side of the road, and just took the head and rack -- I find that wasteful and wrong. However, I doubt that most hunters are like that. Here in Texas we have "wastage" laws on the books. If a hunter takes an animal as game, they are legally obligated to remove all edible meat from the carcass. It's my understanding that since the wastage laws went on the books, a lot of trophy hunters have opted to resolve the matter by telling the taxidermist to go ahead and deal with the meat as they see fit. A lot of times, what the taxidermist doesn't keep for themselves to eat gets donated to food banks once it's been processed.
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Post by KMCCLA on Nov 27, 2012 2:30:57 GMT
Here in Texas we have "wastage" laws on the books. If a hunter takes an animal as game, they are legally obligated to remove all edible meat from the carcass. It's my understanding that since the wastage laws went on the books, a lot of trophy hunters have opted to resolve the matter by telling the taxidermist to go ahead and deal with the meat as they see fit. A lot of times, what the taxidermist doesn't keep for themselves to eat gets donated to food banks once it's been processed. Here in MIssouri we have "Share the Harvest" which they encourage hunters to donate to food banks and such.
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Post by User Unavailable on Nov 30, 2012 15:39:34 GMT
Well, my daughters 2012 deer is her biggest so far. 12 points, field dressed out at 180 pounds. She shot him with my SKS, 124gr hollow points, at around 105 yards, in the head, behind the ears. Dropped him where he stood.
My future son-in-law has the skull and rack of her deer and is going to dip the skull in camo and do a skull mount when the skull is dried out and ready. (his uncle has a shop and does camo dipping as a side business)
We had him processed out, kept the shoulders, back straps/tenderloins and had the rest of him ground up. We won't be buying ground beef for a pretty good while.
My old squad leader from the Marines came down and hunted again this year and got a nice doe. I called her in with a "fawn distress", doe bleat call, from around 200 yards, called her in to right at 40 yards, where she turned broadside and my buddy laid her down with his old 1891 Mauser.
My brother took a small 4 point and my nephews took a doe and small 6 point.
Five deer harvested off our farm and we still are seeing plenty of deer and all the meat will get eaten.
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Post by Domovoi on Dec 13, 2012 14:32:43 GMT
I can't post any photos from this computer, but so far deer season has been pretty good. My granddaughter got her first buck yesterday morning, she's 13. It was a little 4 point, field dressed at 92 pounds. She was using a Rossi Youth rifle in .223. I don't have any details of range of shot etc. I got a 7 point Wednesday morning with my H&R Buffalo Classic in .45-70. 476 grain cast bullet over 65 grains of Goex FFg. I shot him from about 40 yards, through and through lung shot. Oddly, he didn't leave a blood trail. I tracked him for about 50 yards before finding blood, and then it was a very faint trail. I finally found him about 100 yards from where he was shot. Congrats ont he granddaughter's first buck. As for the no blood thing. I actually have found that more often than not, it takes a few seconds for the body to catch up and start bleeding Im sure everyone has noticed that when they cut their finger there is a delay between cutting yourself and actually seeing blood. As spooked deer can cross a fifty yard stretch in about half a second its not surprising that it took ya a while to find blood. And then when you did, you didnt find much. Probably because of the speed at which he was moving. Then all of a sudden he ran out of air and died. Im not going to try to get preachy. For every non hunter, there is more game for me. But just so you know. Knowing that you have six months of meat in the freezer is a wonderful feeling when you loose your job. I constantly hear people say they'd love to hunt but dont have the money. What they don't realize is the money they save in grocery bills throughout the year more than makes up for the cost of starting up. Ive only been able to get out hunting three times this year. And I count each of those as successful hunts. I count it as a successful hunt if I actually harvest game, or if I see shootable game at a range I can shoot, but choose not to for one reason or another. Day before yesterday I took my first buck of the year. As soon as I got up in the stand I heard a massive dominant buck grunting to my right. I figure he is the twelve or thirteen point Id been hunting all year. So I go to grunting with him. And as I said in the hobby thread we talked for about two hours. But then outta nowhere this eight point appears to my left. He must have heard the talking we were doing and came to investigate. As yall saw from the pictures his rack wasn't all that impressive, but he was just a massive bodied deer. 3/4 oz slug from a 20 gauge put him down on the spot. He dropped so quick that I thought I spine shot him. Nope. Perfect broad side. Caught him on the right side through the lung, destroyed his heart, through the left lung, and the slug stopped in his left shoulder. After I cleaned it off I weighed it, and it retained 95% of its weight. And I think that 5% was probably shaved off when it swaged through the choke. Not bad from a field barrel at about fifty yards. I think his body was bigger than that of that twelve point Id been hunting. Dressed at two fifty, and after quartering and processing I came away with about one fifty of meat. But I collect every bit I can, neck, ribs, everything. The unchoice cuts I grind up and cook with rice for dogfood. Everything else is mine. Around here there are between one and three officers per county. So a lot of it is self regulated. I do not like poachers, but my definition of poaching differs from the legal definition. While I do obey licensing law, I don't count hunting without a license as poaching. I understand that the DNR needs money. But at the same time do really believe that everything can be managed without them. Though my perfect world may not ever be a possibility. That said. Round here if someone is out spotlighting deer they will likely come back to a truck that has had it's tires removed so they can't go anywhere until the officers show up.
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Post by Lonewolf on Dec 13, 2012 14:46:13 GMT
Just a side request. When stating point counts, please add whether you mean eastern or western count since here in the west we only count one side or say it as something like a "4x3" if the sides are uneven. I've been way too busy to hunt this year (although I could just shoot one in the horse pasture if I wanted to) but my roommate's BIL called up and said he'd just gotten an elk but his freezer was full. "Do you guys want it?". Uhhhh.... YEAH!!! Plus a rental tenant gave us a mulie AND a whitetail. Both freezers are full with no effort on our part. Life is rough ain't it?
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Post by c64 on Dec 13, 2012 15:44:24 GMT
Here in Germany, you need to be a professional hunter to be allowed to hunt wild animals. But I've shot a mole with an M3 when the drill Sargent wasn't looking spoiling a "possible" score but had got a crate of beer from the shooting range master. And I had shot a boar with a blank cartridge and had a hit. The boar was threatening my platoon and the green plastic blanks also fit into the other end of the riffle. We had found the bent cartridge but no blood.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 13, 2012 16:14:02 GMT
My daughters 2012 deer.
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Post by Domovoi on Dec 13, 2012 18:41:43 GMT
What did he age at? Six or eight?
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 13, 2012 19:21:18 GMT
What did he age at? Six or eight? I didn't get to check his teeth (too dark when I saw him), but what I did see of him, I would put him at 4 1/2* to 5 1/2 years old. * I go as low as 4 1/2 because his body wasn't as full as a full 5 1/2 year old mature buck should be. So I think he still had a little growing to do. Though that could be due to the drought this year....BUT, he had plenty of belly fat and very obviously has eaten well all summer long and his belly was still firm and not showing any signs of drooping with age yet. He was still pretty dark in color as well. I reckon he was still a fairly young deer.
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Post by Domovoi on Dec 14, 2012 18:44:11 GMT
Huh. With all the grey round his muzzle Id of figured he was older. Thanks. But. it is interesting how the body can lie to ya sometimes. When a buddy came by to take a look at him all he had to go by was the meat and bones, he figured the guy at six. But when I showed him the teeth he saw that he was only three and a half to four.
But I trust ya brother. You do know your deer.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 14, 2012 20:49:38 GMT
Yeah, 4 year old deer with gray around the muzzle are fairly common around here on the farm (by observations over the last few years), seems to be genetic and makes folks think they are older than they are by looking at them. I've seen younger deer with that much gray on the muzzle as well. Even seen young does with that much gray.
I reckon it has passed down and spread into a wider gene pool.
Kind of makes you have to rely on how dark the body hair still is to better judge the age. Though as you know, body color can vary from deer to deer and a lighter color deer is not always an indicator of an older deer, but is a starting point. Wish I could have seen this one walking to see how it moved and if its front legs bowed in or out.
I'll have to ask my future S-I-L, is he still has the lower jaw to the deer and see what it ages at for sure.
Note: she shot this one on opening day of modern gun season and the rut obviously had not started as there was no few than 10 bucks out in front of her stand.
The one she shot was not the biggest one or biggest rack, but was the biggest one in range of the SKS.
The Spikes, 4's, 6's and 8 pointers were gathered up in a couple of small bachelor groups, while the big bucks were standing away from them, ignoring them and each other.
We still have some big deer on the farm and some that will be big deer in coming years, if they live that long.
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Post by Domovoi on Dec 15, 2012 5:37:21 GMT
Pretty much if its brown its down round your house huh? I don't blame ya. You seem to have a plentiful herd of them.
Just out of curiosity. Why did she opt for the headshot?
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 16, 2012 16:59:57 GMT
To be honest, the head shot was probably luck. She hasn't learned to remain calm when faced with a big deer in her sights, yet. So reckon she either pulled it, or "shook" it, up into a head shot. She was going for a heart/lung shot, but for the sake of telling the story, that part gets left out sometimes. ;D My daughter is good about passing on little deer in hopes of them getting bigger in the future. My brothers deer, he thought had more points than it did and he laid it down from 300 yards with his .270. My nephews, this was their first year of serious deer hunting and both wanted to get one, so the one opted for a small buck, the other for the doe. My old squad leader, comes from out of state to hunt, so fills his tag to keep from wasting the expensive out of state tags. He got a doe this year, but in previous years has gotten spikes. So far a big buck has eluded him here. But, yes, we have a plentiful herd. Kentucky's deer population is way up, especially the does. We have some really BIG mature, old does around here on the farm and I reckon in many cases, they are cagey-er than the big old bucks. I hardly ever see them in the open during daylight hunting hours and almost always run into them while down busting brush or easing through the swamp that borders the watershed/lake, which butts up to my neighbors property and is the main source of water for deer in the area. Lots of deer cross our land, going to and from water and many bed down and graze on us.
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Post by Domovoi on Dec 17, 2012 2:27:52 GMT
Aight I hear ya. I figured it was something like that. Ive seen a lot of folks loose out and wound a deer by trying to take a headshot. And have ran into even more carcases where the jaw was damaged to the point they couldn't eat or drink. As ya know deer move their head almost constantly.
Our population was way up, but I suppose its going to be down a good bit after the seasons are over. From what Ive heard, state wide during the first bow split sixty thousand deer were harvested.
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Post by User Unavailable on Dec 17, 2012 17:14:30 GMT
You might be surprised at how long it takes to make a noticeable dent in deer herd population. Here is Kentucky's comparison chart of checked deer killed per year, going back to 1999 and we still have plenty of deer. You figure that every whitetail doe that "takes" has 1-3 babies, every year. (2-3 fawns per doe yearly is the norm, with good forage and habitat) They don't breed like rabbits, but can proliferate quickly. Here is the link: fw.ky.gov/harvest/HarvestComparison.asp *Note that the 2012 deer season is still underway. Bow season and Cross Bow are not yet completed. By county, my county (Graves) had had over 2800 deer checked so far this year and had over 2700 deer checked last year and I still see an awful lot of deer. Over 1.6 million deer checked since 1999, in Kentucky!
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