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Post by rmc on Oct 26, 2024 1:55:02 GMT
What the client (me) wants: ColorX Argus Pro ReoLink PoE security camera made portable, able to be taken out on road trips. Why? That brand of security camera is uniquely able to shoot extremely dim areas as though it were day. reolink.com/us/product/argus-4-pro/Now, the problem is that the ReoLink PoE line of cameras get there signal and power from one of those WiFi routers we've all see or used. The router doesn't need a lot of wattage, like 20 watts or less, and the camera gets its wattage from that there router ma-thingee-ma-Bob. Furthermore, the ReoLink camera does NOT need internet. The camera saves to an 128 GB SD card... Anyway, WiFi is needed mainly so I can WiFi into the camera and view what it is seeing with my cellphone (to see what the camera sees since there is no immediate camera viewfinder on the camera itself) Anyway, being out on a remote location with a WiFi router isn't really the problem I'm saying. (Unless I'm completely unable to come up with an over night power supply, 120 volts AC) My guess is that the following Gizmo could supply such power needs: www.bestbuy.com/site/jackery-explorer-290-portable-power-solar-generator-290-wh-capacity-black/6482021.p?skuId=6482021Anyone familiar with this sort of power supply? Is it noisy? Can it run a WiFi over night? I wonder how much of one full night I can get on a 128 GB SD card!? So many questions. Here's the intended portable system: 290 watt hour power supply. Wifi router. PoE camera and its cable. Cellphone. And my car.
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Post by the light works on Oct 26, 2024 4:37:35 GMT
What the client (me) wants: ColorX Argus Pro ReoLink PoE security camera made portable, able to be taken out on road trips. Why? That brand of security camera is uniquely able to shoot extremely dim areas as though it were day. reolink.com/us/product/argus-4-pro/Now, the problem is that the ReoLink PoE line of cameras get there signal and power from one of those WiFi routers we've all see or used. The router doesn't need a lot of wattage, like 20 watts or less, and the camera gets its wattage from that there router ma-thingee-ma-Bob. Furthermore, the ReoLink camera does NOT need internet. The camera saves to an 128 GB SD card... Anyway, WiFi is needed mainly so I can WiFi into the camera and view what it is seeing with my cellphone (to see what the camera sees since there is no immediate camera viewfinder on the camera itself) Anyway, being out on a remote location with a WiFi router isn't really the problem I'm saying. (Unless I'm completely unable to come up with an over night power supply, 120 volts AC) My guess is that the following Gizmo could supply such power needs: www.bestbuy.com/site/jackery-explorer-290-portable-power-solar-generator-290-wh-capacity-black/6482021.p?skuId=6482021Anyone familiar with this sort of power supply? Is it noisy? Can it run a WiFi over night? I wonder how much of one full night I can get on a 128 GB SD card!? So many questions. Here's the intended portable system: 290 watt hour power supply. Wifi router. PoE camera and its cable. Cellphone. And my car. my brain is flipping melted from trying to get Mrs T's new replacement cell phone to work. all that is connecting right now is that calculating run time if you have a watt hour rating is a simple straightforward equation: divide watt hours by the watts of your load to get estimated runtime.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 26, 2024 6:14:17 GMT
What the client (me) wants: ColorX Argus Pro ReoLink PoE security camera made portable, able to be taken out on road trips. Why? That brand of security camera is uniquely able to shoot extremely dim areas as though it were day. reolink.com/us/product/argus-4-pro/Now, the problem is that the ReoLink PoE line of cameras get there signal and power from one of those WiFi routers we've all see or used. The router doesn't need a lot of wattage, like 20 watts or less, and the camera gets its wattage from that there router ma-thingee-ma-Bob. Furthermore, the ReoLink camera does NOT need internet. The camera saves to an 128 GB SD card... Anyway, WiFi is needed mainly so I can WiFi into the camera and view what it is seeing with my cellphone (to see what the camera sees since there is no immediate camera viewfinder on the camera itself) Anyway, being out on a remote location with a WiFi router isn't really the problem I'm saying. (Unless I'm completely unable to come up with an over night power supply, 120 volts AC) My guess is that the following Gizmo could supply such power needs: www.bestbuy.com/site/jackery-explorer-290-portable-power-solar-generator-290-wh-capacity-black/6482021.p?skuId=6482021Anyone familiar with this sort of power supply? Is it noisy? Can it run a WiFi over night? I wonder how much of one full night I can get on a 128 GB SD card!? So many questions. Here's the intended portable system: 290 watt hour power supply. Wifi router. PoE camera and its cable. Cellphone. And my car. The Best Buy link doesn’t work for me so I’m not sure exactly what it is you were looking at. But the Reolink Wi-Fi security cameras are not POE. They require an external 12 V input. Since they are already Wi-Fi, you should be able to connect them directly to your cell phone if your cell phone has an option to operate as a Wi-Fi hotspot. (Most cell phones do) you shouldn’t require an external Wi-Fi router at all. You can power the camera directly from a power bank battery. You should have no problem finding a power bank that is capable of operating the camera overnight. Also be aware that when these cameras are operating in low light mode, they use internal infrared emitters to light the area. The camera only operates in black-and-white when they are operating in low light mode. That said, the Reolink cameras that I have can still operate in fairly dim light without going into low light mode.
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Post by rmc on Oct 26, 2024 7:10:32 GMT
What the client (me) wants: ColorX Argus Pro ReoLink PoE security camera made portable, able to be taken out on road trips. Why? That brand of security camera is uniquely able to shoot extremely dim areas as though it were day. reolink.com/us/product/argus-4-pro/Now, the problem is that the ReoLink PoE line of cameras get there signal and power from one of those WiFi routers we've all see or used. The router doesn't need a lot of wattage, like 20 watts or less, and the camera gets its wattage from that there router ma-thingee-ma-Bob. Furthermore, the ReoLink camera does NOT need internet. The camera saves to an 128 GB SD card... Anyway, WiFi is needed mainly so I can WiFi into the camera and view what it is seeing with my cellphone (to see what the camera sees since there is no immediate camera viewfinder on the camera itself) Anyway, being out on a remote location with a WiFi router isn't really the problem I'm saying. (Unless I'm completely unable to come up with an over night power supply, 120 volts AC) My guess is that the following Gizmo could supply such power needs: www.bestbuy.com/site/jackery-explorer-290-portable-power-solar-generator-290-wh-capacity-black/6482021.p?skuId=6482021Anyone familiar with this sort of power supply? Is it noisy? Can it run a WiFi over night? I wonder how much of one full night I can get on a 128 GB SD card!? So many questions. Here's the intended portable system: 290 watt hour power supply. Wifi router. PoE camera and its cable. Cellphone. And my car. The Best Buy link doesn’t work for me so I’m not sure exactly what it is you were looking at. But the Reolink Wi-Fi security cameras are not POE. They require an external 12 V input. Since they are already Wi-Fi, you should be able to connect them directly to your cell phone if your cell phone has an option to operate as a Wi-Fi hotspot. (Most cell phones do) you shouldn’t require an external Wi-Fi router at all. You can power the camera directly from a power bank battery. You should have no problem finding a power bank that is capable of operating the camera overnight. Also be aware that when these cameras are operating in low light mode, they use internal infrared emitters to light the area. The camera only operates in black-and-white when they are operating in low light mode. That said, the Reolink cameras that I have can still operate in fairly dim light without going into low light mode. Unfortunately, my ISP through my cellphone has just done its monthly throttling back down to such a slow speed after my minutes run out that I also cannot get certain links to load at the moment. (I use a cellphone to get on the internet, like here at the citadel) But, anyway, i made the mistake of switching cameras used in this story as I wrote this initially without seeing that the Argus is not PoE. The other camera that I wrote about initially is PoE. I think it was a CX410 or some such thing. But, like I say, I cannot load the link to confirm. The other thing I didn't originally mention is that I have already purchased a couple ReoLink cameras for home use called Lumus. And, like you say, they are WiFi rather than PoE and their night vision is based upon IR. This ColorX night vision offered in the CX410 and the Argus is much, much different... to use a phrase, different as night and day from the Lumus "night vision". But anyway, I "dial in" to the Lumus through my cellphone via the App and WiFi. I cannot wire directly to my cellphone that I ever saw, as I think you are describing. The Argus 4 Pro is something that I'd need to buy before I see what ports there are, but since I now see that it is indeed another WiFi camera and not PoE (like the CX410 that I originally intended), I'd have to assume that the Argus 4 pro doesn't have any ports on it that I could directly wire to either. So, the night vision that you describe is not similar to what I intend to use. And, the wiring directly to a cellphone is not possible with either a Lumus or a CX410 (the cameras I am familiar with) and I doubt you can directly wire a cellphone to the Argus 4 Pro either. So, I'm back to needling the router. And then also needing the inverter as well. The router that I currently use for the ReoLink Lumus has both Wifi and a port that a PoE camera can use, the ethernet port.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 26, 2024 13:38:39 GMT
If you do end up needing to go with an inverter to power your Wi-Fi router and camera, get the smallest inverter you can that will adequately power your load. For example, if your entire load is 30 W, try running it off a 100 W inverter rather than an inverter rated at 500 Watts or more. The problem with using a large inverter to supply a small load is that the idle current of the inverter is sometimes greater than what your load is. Smaller inverters typically have lower idle power requirements and are much more efficient at powering small loads.
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Post by rmc on Oct 26, 2024 16:43:37 GMT
If you do end up needing to go with an inverter to power your Wi-Fi router and camera, get the smallest inverter you can that will adequately power your load. For example, if your entire load is 30 W, try running it off a 100 W inverter rather than an inverter rated at 500 Watts or more. The problem with using a large inverter to supply a small load is that the idle current of the inverter is sometimes greater than what your load is. Smaller inverters typically have lower idle power requirements and are much more efficient at powering small loads. Very helpful tip! I'll carefully get an exact handle on the total watts the router "system" uses (router and camera, whether a PoE which rides on router for power or a WiFi cam which will have seperate wattage, plugging directly into the inverter for power feed instead) Those total watts, whatever they'll be times the number of hours desired should be the true Watt hours... so long as the rating the inverter declares is real and correct everything should be ok. Thank you very much! Looking forward to getting nighttime outside views of the sky on trips out west to western Nebraska.
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Post by the light works on Oct 26, 2024 17:14:28 GMT
an alternative would be to get a battery power station, similar to a Jackery (listed as the only brand I'm familiar with, not necessarily an endorsement) it's basically an all-in-one battery/inverter/USB power supply. the advantages being (1) its a premade standalone power supply so it will save you assembling things and (2) it's handy to have in case of a power outage. the ones the fire district has, can charge from an outlet, or a car power port, or a (sold separately) solar array.
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Post by rmc on Oct 26, 2024 20:45:44 GMT
an alternative would be to get a battery power station, similar to a Jackery (listed as the only brand I'm familiar with, not necessarily an endorsement) it's basically an all-in-one battery/inverter/USB power supply. the advantages being (1) its a premade standalone power supply so it will save you assembling things and (2) it's handy to have in case of a power outage. the ones the fire district has, can charge from an outlet, or a car power port, or a (sold separately) solar array. Are you saying instead of the Jackery style or very similar to (basically just get the Jackery itself or such type)... ? Any examples of the "battery power station" ... or do you trust I'll successfully find it using those search words?
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Post by the light works on Oct 26, 2024 22:50:34 GMT
an alternative would be to get a battery power station, similar to a Jackery (listed as the only brand I'm familiar with, not necessarily an endorsement) it's basically an all-in-one battery/inverter/USB power supply. the advantages being (1) its a premade standalone power supply so it will save you assembling things and (2) it's handy to have in case of a power outage. the ones the fire district has, can charge from an outlet, or a car power port, or a (sold separately) solar array. Are you saying instead of the Jackery style or very similar to (basically just get the Jackery itself or such type)... ? Any examples of the "battery power station" ... or do you trust I'll successfully find it using those search words? I'm saying Jackery is an example of the product I'm talking about, but I don't have personal experience with any of them. even the Jackery unis the district has, I haven't used.
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Post by wvengineer on Oct 28, 2024 12:58:37 GMT
I have my router/modem on an APC 600VA battery backup system. That system is able to keep my internet and wifi going for about 1 hour if I loose power. I think that thing will do about 100WH. You are also running a lot more than just a single mode. So I would estimate 2-3 hours of runtime on a 270 WH battery pack. So I think at a minimum, you would need to look for a larger battery if you want to keep it all running for 8+ hours. You would have to get some power requirements for everything or do some testing to see how much you would need. IF all you are trying to do is to keep power to the camera, you could greatly slim down your power demands by turning the PoE off at the router, and just using it as a basics router. Then get a PoE injector to provide the power for the camera. Just the injector would be on the battery supplying power to the camera. That way you are only powering that one item, not everything. PoE Injector example: www.amazon.com/dp/B07V24C4M8
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Post by rmc on Oct 28, 2024 20:20:17 GMT
On one side GTCGreg says go small as possible.
Now, wvengineer says go big or go home.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 29, 2024 0:32:28 GMT
On one side GTCGreg says go small as possible. Now, wvengineer says go big or go home. 🤯 wv is talking about using a big battery not necessarily a big inverter. I’m talking about using a small inverter running off whatever size battery you need to get the run time you want.
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Post by rmc on Oct 29, 2024 1:33:10 GMT
On one side GTCGreg says go small as possible. Now, wvengineer says go big or go home. 🤯 wv is talking about using a big battery not necessarily a big inverter. I’m talking about using a small inverter running off whatever size battery you need to get the run time you want. I wouldn't know how to seperate the battery from the inverter. On the Jackery, it looks like one piece of equipment. I'm not too clear on what an inverter is, other than it probably being a battery controlled such that it gives off sign wave AC power instead of just DC. A PoE injector I think is to boost power to a PoE camera. It's either power or camera signal. Naturally, the whole point of me posting here is to hopefully get a better understanding, if possible.
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Post by GTCGreg on Oct 29, 2024 2:14:36 GMT
wv is talking about using a big battery not necessarily a big inverter. I’m talking about using a small inverter running off whatever size battery you need to get the run time you want. I wouldn't know how to seperate the battery from the inverter. On the Jackery, it looks like one piece of equipment. I'm not too clear on what an inverter is, other than it probably being a battery controlled such that it gives off sign wave AC power instead of just DC. A PoE injector I think is to boost power to a PoE camera. It's either power or camera signal. Naturally, the whole point of me posting here is to hopefully get a better understanding, if possible. The Jackery is just an inverter and battery in one box. It is used as a back-up power supply to keep your computer and other electronics operating in the event of a power failure. An inverter is a device that converts DC battery voltage, usually 12 Volts, to 120 Volts AC just like you get from a regular power outlet. That way, you can run anything that you would normally plug into the wall from a battery. PoE is a method of powering external eithernet devices directly from the LAN (CAT-6) cable without requiring external power to be supplied to the device. That way you only need one cable supplying both a data connection and also power to the device. PoE is normally 48 volts DC. Some modems, routers and switches also supply PoE power to the external devices through the LAN cable. This is why bluetooth and Wi-Fi devices can not be PoE. There in no LAN wire and thus no way of supplying power. These devices always have some type of external power connection. Either they plug directly into 120 Volt AC outlet (or an inverter) or they use some type of wall-wart to convert the 120 Volts AC to a lower voltage DC that is actually used to run the device. If the device operates from a 12 Volt DC wall-wart, you can eliminate the wall-wart completely and run the device directly from a 12 Volt battery. The problem with most devices that supply PoE is that they either require to be plugged directly into a 120 Volt AC supply (wall plug or inverter) or if they do use a wall-wart, it is usually something more like 48 Volts DC. Thus you can not eliminate the wall-wart and operated these devices directly from a battery. You can, of course, still plug the wall-wart into an inverter and then run the inverter from a battery. A PoE inserter is just a simple device that supplies PoE power to an external eithernet device through the LAN cable. You use it if you require PoE but your modem, router or switch doesn't already supply it. Hope this clears things up a little.
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Post by wvengineer on Oct 29, 2024 12:24:21 GMT
wv is talking about using a big battery not necessarily a big inverter. I’m talking about using a small inverter running off whatever size battery you need to get the run time you want. I wouldn't know how to seperate the battery from the inverter. On the Jackery, it looks like one piece of equipment. I have seen some of these systems like a Jakery that have options for additional batteries to extend their capacity. That would give you the option to have the smaller inverter and less losses from that, but added runtime. NOt really sure what is out there at the moment. Something to look at.
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Post by rmc on Oct 29, 2024 15:18:19 GMT
Yes. I do see quite a few review complaints (fewer than two stars) where consumers complain about the components of the battery itself. A few complaint specifically mention not liking the lithium formula and suggest other supposedly superior formulas.
So, okay. It's better for a number of reasons to get the correct inverter separately and then also subsequently find a very good battery.
If this is true, I may already have the battery (though I doubt it) it's a 48 volt 20 Amp Hour battery for my ebike.
Then there is my friend Roger who asked if I just wanted to borrow his inverter that he connects to his vehicle for powering devices (AC) on his road trips. He suggests this because he now understands that I'm merely trying to make a portable camera system that goes with me on road trips based upon security cameras more commonly used at home in your house, on its AC outlets.
Unfortunately, since I'm basically after these security camera's "ColorX" feature, I'm stuck trying to build a portable AC power system that appropriately mimics what these cameras require. And doubly unfortunately I haven't yet decided upon the CX410 PoE camera, or the Argus 4 Pro WiFi camera... I did recently discover that the Argus 4 Pro is battery operated. So NO outlet required for that one.
And, as I think I mentioned, I need to go through a router some way in order to reach my cellphone via wifi. That's just how these security cameras work in order to provide playback or a "viewfinder" during recording.
What on earth is a Wall Wart!?
I don't understand how PoE injector helps. Since my cellphone cannot ever be disconnected from the camera, so I'd need to router to always be functional to do that. If I understood that the injector was an idea to occasionally eliminate the router??
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Post by the light works on Oct 29, 2024 16:05:39 GMT
Yes. I do see quite a few review complaints (fewer than two stars) where consumers complain about the components of the battery itself. A few complaint specifically mention not liking the lithium formula and suggest other supposedly superior formulas. So, okay. It's better for a number of reasons to get the correct inverter separately and then also subsequently find a very good battery. If this is true, I may already have the battery (though I doubt it) it's a 48 volt 20 Amp Hour battery for my ebike. Then there is my friend Roger who asked if I just wanted to borrow his inverter that he connects to his vehicle for powering devices (AC) on his road trips. He suggests this because he now understands that I'm merely trying to make a portable camera system that goes with me on road trips based upon security cameras more commonly used at home in your house, on its AC outlets. Unfortunately, since I'm basically after these security camera's "ColorX" feature, I'm stuck trying to build a portable AC power system that appropriately mimics what these cameras require. And doubly unfortunately I haven't yet decided upon the CX410 PoE camera, or the Argus 4 Pro WiFi camera... I did recently discover that the Argus 4 Pro is battery operated. So NO outlet required for that one. And, as I think I mentioned, I need to go through a router some way in order to reach my cellphone via wifi. That's just how these security cameras work in order to provide playback or a "viewfinder" during recording. What on earth is a Wall Wart!? I don't understand how PoE injector helps. Since my cellphone cannot ever be disconnected from the camera, so I'd need to router to always be functional to do that. If I understood that the injector was an idea to occasionally eliminate the router?? wall wart is the common term for a plug in transformer. named because of how it looks.
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Post by the light works on Oct 29, 2024 16:13:29 GMT
it occurs to me to question what it is you are using the camera to record, and under what conditions. we're sitting here trying to assemble components for you without knowing what you want them to do.
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Post by rmc on Oct 29, 2024 17:08:47 GMT
it occurs to me to question what it is you are using the camera to record, and under what conditions. we're sitting here trying to assemble components for you without knowing what you want them to do. I attended a talk recently at UNO university where a video seemed to cause everyone to conclude that certain security cameras make very handy recording systems for nighttime sky-watching situations. One stargazer was trying to photograph (for talks like this) either the recent comet, or occasionally meteorites. One attendee commented that a very good and inexpensive camera system like this might even be able to capture night sky views for unexplained or "anomalous" activity in the sky as well. Everyone agreed that for photographing the night sky in video form, these "ColorX" night vision simple security cameras were, by far, better than cellphones or even top handheld video cameras. If I can cobble together a ColorX video system of my own I intend to drive through (again) the area in Nebraska that has all the missile silos and where "anomalous" sky activity has been reported. Since I'd just be "passin through" like I did before, I see no reason I'd be attracting the ire of any law enforcement, whether military or otherwise. If I stop, though, and set up some camera near a silo and sit for a time, I'd say that this sort of silly activity is foolish. So, at this point, it looks like simply borrowing my friend's inverter that he uses on roadtrips to power a laptop and charge his cellphone and maybe to power some other AC device is the process of least action. Lol.
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Post by wvengineer on Oct 29, 2024 20:03:01 GMT
Do these camera record to a SD card or do they need to be connected to a host network the majority of the time? If they can operate independently, then all you are looking at is a power supply to keep the batteries running overnight. Come next day, you can download the video to a computer. If all we are dealing with is the camera, we don't actually need to DC to AC inverter. We could save a lot of losses by keeping the whole system in DC.
One question, how much power do these things actually pull? I wonder about something basic like 4 12VDC deep cycle motorcycle batteries wired in series. You can run the camera off that at night and then charge the batteries during the day. You can get a 48V charger or charge each one on their own.
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