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Post by the light works on Mar 4, 2013 14:24:53 GMT
Hoping to get to this project soon. Last night, I was installing a new dishwasher instead. (Two hours, 9 pm - 11 pm) I love finding the ghosts of renovations past when I do repairs & upgrades around the house. Next weekend is installing a new kitchen sink. Upgrading from a single basin to a double basin. Acrylic composite? Guy at the store said it's just about indestructrable. I have two kids, we'll see who wins... Then again, anything's better than enamel coated cast iron... I have the artificial stone material for my kitchen sink - so far everything has washed off of it including arts & crafts paint.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Mar 4, 2013 14:44:04 GMT
I hope not! But (lucky for me?) I wouldn't have to go as far as the treatment plant, only the backyard...still have a septic tank.
I did see sinks that claimed to be "granite" but seemed too light. Ruled them out quickly.
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Post by the light works on Mar 4, 2013 15:08:46 GMT
I hope not! But (lucky for me?) I wouldn't have to go as far as the treatment plant, only the backyard...still have a septic tank. I did see sinks that claimed to be "granite" but seemed too light. Ruled them out quickly. I think the brand name on mine is "silestone" or something like that. I've actually seen natural stone sinks, and while they looked cool; they are not for me. stone is absolutely unforgiving, and I am not that careful. I can plunk a plate down in my sink; and it won't break the plate.
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Post by c64 on Mar 4, 2013 17:07:14 GMT
I love finding the ghosts of renovations past when I do repairs & upgrades around the house. Doing plumbing repairs in an old house is always exciting. You may as well just plan on replacing everything between the kitchen sink to the sewage treatment plant. Or just shove a plastic pipe through the brittle cast iron pipes which had a larger diameter than modern pipes anyway. You can even run some network cables along the plastic pipe as well. Most of my network cables run through the old illumination (natural gas) pipes. This gives me a great network security, it's almost impossible to get through the ultra tough steel pipes without making the whole building shake.
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Post by the light works on Mar 4, 2013 17:25:00 GMT
Doing plumbing repairs in an old house is always exciting. You may as well just plan on replacing everything between the kitchen sink to the sewage treatment plant. Or just shove a plastic pipe through the brittle cast iron pipes which had a larger diameter than modern pipes anyway. You can even run some network cables along the plastic pipe as well. Most of my network cables run through the old illumination (natural gas) pipes. This gives me a great network security, it's almost impossible to get through the ultra tough steel pipes without making the whole building shake. other than the main pipe to the septic tank, the plastic pipes I replaced the original drains with were as large or larger than the original pipes - BEFORE they were narrowed by sediment and rust scale. our toilets drain through 3 inch ID pipe.
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 4, 2013 17:51:00 GMT
Or just shove a plastic pipe through the brittle cast iron pipes which had a larger diameter than modern pipes anyway... Maybe. Until you come to a right angle bend under 6" of concrete.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Mar 4, 2013 18:42:30 GMT
I like this idea. But, still waiting for natural gas to make it to my house. For some reason, it stopped 250 feet down the street from me...
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 4, 2013 19:07:13 GMT
You can even run some network cables along the plastic pipe as well. Most of my network cables run through the old illumination (natural gas) pipes. This gives me a great network security, it's almost impossible to get through the ultra tough steel pipes without making the whole building shake. Not really a new idea. They did this back in 1986 and ran fiber optic cables between Chicago and 6 other cities through 1200 miles of old oil pipelines. articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-05-28/news/8502030146_1_fiber-optic-cable-pipeline-williams-cos
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 5, 2013 7:33:14 GMT
The one we have here is stainless steel, (Its a double) three hours to put in place, part of that was putting plasters on finger cuts.
This is how it sort of went in my house, when we replaced two circular sinks that were not big enough to was a single cup in with one BIG double sink you could wash a dog in.....
Whatever you buy, if your going to need to cut a new hole. Place the new one upside down over the old hole in the right place, and draw round it. Then take a look under the top you just drew on and work out if you have enough space to make that cut without moving things about, like supporting walls, cupboard walls, whole units, etc.... When you have the sink in the right place, draw round, then remove the sink, draw another line about an inch inside that one, that will be your cut mark.... I would suggest a Router to cut the hole, it makes a nice even cut in most surfaces, from any kind of wood to composite plastic surfaces, but ALWAYS check below the surface to see what else you are cutting through.....
Also think Pipework. Twin sinks usually join in pipework underneath.... have you got cupboard space to do that under the sinks, do you need to cut through cupboard walls to do that, or have you got space to join the pipework behind the sink units.... If I did ours again, I would send both waste pipes out through separate holes in the wall on their own without trying to join them under the sink.... the headache I had trying to get a set of drain pipework that fitted was a complete shambles, and what I have is self-made, as it works better, and doesnt leek all over the place like the one they sent with the sink did.... And trust me, cutting a second drain hole in the wall with a JCB (Back-Hoe is USA) would have been a lot easier than the two months I spent trying to get the pipework they sent with the sink working..... It never worked properly.
Flexible hose pipes about a foot long or longer, for hot and cold, are worth their weight in gold..... but dont get the ones with isolator valves on them, the valves need to be separate. You can affix these to the sinks taps whilst the sink is out on the bench, which is always easier, then do the final fix where you can see the joint below the sink level. Its also better to be able to remove those whole flexible pipes and sink if you ever change taps as well... This way you aint trying to hold the tap still with one hand whilst you get some form of spanner twisted up behind the sink where you cant quite see it properly with the other and find out your arms are not that long anyway......... Whilst you have the water off, if you havnt already, put an isolator valve on those water pipes below the flexible hose... Those hoses are pretty much bomb-proof anyway, but you never know......
Send the wife out for the full day. Give her the credit card even.... You know it makes so much sense... You KNOW she will find every opportunity to find something that needs water, just so she can remind you how long you are taking, and how much she needs that sink.... Maxing out the credit card takes less stress to fix that telling the other half you are not finished yet every five mins and no she cant use the water yet...
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Post by c64 on Mar 5, 2013 12:11:51 GMT
I like this idea. But, still waiting for natural gas to make it to my house. For some reason, it stopped 250 feet down the street from me... And then let them season for 110 years like mine and then pull your cables when the pipes are not used for gas any more or replaced by modern pipes running a shorter path through the building.
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Post by c64 on Mar 5, 2013 12:14:39 GMT
Or just shove a plastic pipe through the brittle cast iron pipes which had a larger diameter than modern pipes anyway... Maybe. Until you come to a right angle bend under 6" of concrete. No problem, those things are flexible. But I had missed how they managed to do spots where the pipes branch out.
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Post by the light works on Mar 5, 2013 15:21:22 GMT
Maybe. Until you come to a right angle bend under 6" of concrete. No problem, those things are flexible. But I had missed how they managed to do spots where the pipes branch out. if you are referring to sewer mains, they probably broke out all the fittings and just pushed pipe through the straights.
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Post by c64 on Mar 5, 2013 16:11:09 GMT
No problem, those things are flexible. But I had missed how they managed to do spots where the pipes branch out. if you are referring to sewer mains, they probably broke out all the fittings and just pushed pipe through the straights. The floor is still fully intact, it still has the special paint on top I used to stop the smell as a temporary fix. There is only one spot they had to open and that was a drain with a one way valve they had to replace in order to connect it to the new pipe. I have no idea how they made the connections! They have cut off all vertical pipe which came out of the floor but most joints were inside the floor!
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Mar 5, 2013 18:24:48 GMT
Completed dishwasher swap last night (almost). My house got the new one, grandma's house got our used (her's was DOA). But, have to go back tonight with a 3/8" coarse -> 3/8" fine adapter to connect the supply line to the copper pipe in the basement. (Took much longer than expected last night because grandma's kitchen floor has been redone twice since the d/w was installed by just layering ply & linoleum over the previous flooring...so, the dishwasher was 1/2" lower than the top of the floor! )
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Post by c64 on Mar 5, 2013 18:47:07 GMT
...so, the dishwasher was 1/2" lower than the top of the floor! ) So it's faster?
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Post by the light works on Mar 6, 2013 3:31:21 GMT
Completed dishwasher swap last night (almost). My house got the new one, grandma's house got our used (her's was DOA). But, have to go back tonight with a 3/8" coarse -> 3/8" fine adapter to connect the supply line to the copper pipe in the basement. (Took much longer than expected last night because grandma's kitchen floor has been redone twice since the d/w was installed by just layering ply & linoleum over the previous flooring...so, the dishwasher was 1/2" lower than the top of the floor! ) that's minor - there's a home of a short person in my area who had custom cabinets made - the dishwasher is recessed 2 inches into the floor. (note: just short, not "little")
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Mar 6, 2013 3:41:27 GMT
Nothing is as simple as it seems...
I learned that I couldn't just get a 3/8" coarse -> 3/8" fine adapter (at least not at Home Despot)
So, on the plumbing guys suggestion, I tried a 3/8" compression -> 3/8" fine after cutting off the existing pipe fitting
But, the pipe is NOT 3/8" OD, it is 5/8" OD...
Back to Home Despot for a 5/8" compression -> 3/8" fine, which it turns out is almost extinct as most modern plumbing is done in 1/4" increments, not 1/8" increments...
In the end, the 5/8" compression -> 3/8" fine did the trick.
(Added bonus: I now have a new pipe cutter and adjustable wrench...)
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Post by rick4070 on Mar 6, 2013 5:27:09 GMT
We are going to have new kitchen cabinets installed in our house, and for my money it is better to have them installed by the cabinet people rather than me.
Walls are not straight, shimming will be needed, and we are changing range location along with changing dishwasher location.
New 220 will have to be re-routed to new location, 110 will have to be re-routed to new over the range microwave location, and re-plumbing of new dishwasher location.
Add to that, we will be putting in 3/4" hard wood flooring in the future, so cabinets will have to have 3/4" plywood under the footprint, so the dishwasher won't sit too low to be removed after hardwood is put in.
Demo, I'll do.
There are some things I'll do, tiling the floors, trim, window casings, flooring, etc., but as for electrical or plumbing work, I leave that up to the professionals.
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Post by GTCGreg on Mar 6, 2013 5:43:46 GMT
There are some things I'll do, tiling the floors, trim, window casings, flooring, etc., but as for electrical or plumbing work, I leave that up to the professionals. I'm just the opposite. Electrical and plumbing I'll do. The stuff I want to work right, I want to do. The stuff I want to look good, I'll pay the pros to do. The good thing about remodeling is that ANYTHING you can do yourself will save you big money.
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Post by rick4070 on Mar 6, 2013 7:30:20 GMT
Can't argue with that...
I'm a machinist, so I guess that I'm a little persnickety when it comes to precise work, 1/16" is a MILE in my trade, so I have a tendency to try and get things like trim, tile, etc. spot on.
(It's either right, or it isn't...)
I do a lot of the finish work, and I get a lot of nice tools for the jobs, I tell my wife: "You can't build a Steinway piano with a Skilsaw and a claw hammer..."
So, over the years, I've gotten quite a collection of tools...
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