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Feb 14, 2013 9:32:30 GMT
Post by silverdragon on Feb 14, 2013 9:32:30 GMT
Does anyone else here use Linux?...
I have for quite a while, but I have been asked for help, and its beyond my capabilities.... so I need help on this...
Just where would you send a "**n00b** New user" to get some basic help on how to use Linux?.... Anything you can recommend?... I can Google a few results up, but does anyone have any experience of which site is better than any other?....
They have Ubuntu at the moment, and as far as I can make out, they cant find any user guide, (Well neither can I for that matter...) and are a bit stuck on the basics as a whole, but are "Dead Keen" to get into Linux....
My usual use of Linux is is for a short-cut to Firefox instead of waiting for Wind-Woes to load, I think they want more than just that.
And they live a distance away, I cant "Show" them .....
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Feb 14, 2013 10:16:16 GMT
Post by privatepaddy on Feb 14, 2013 10:16:16 GMT
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Feb 14, 2013 11:23:04 GMT
Post by flippons on Feb 14, 2013 11:23:04 GMT
I started using Ubuntu through Linux for Dummies. It covers the basics, and the best way to advance beyond that is to probably just try things.
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Feb 16, 2013 7:49:45 GMT
Post by silverdragon on Feb 16, 2013 7:49:45 GMT
Good job you didnt... Linux is Free?
However, from that site, I found a downloadable users manual... I think I will send them that.
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Feb 16, 2013 8:34:02 GMT
Post by privatepaddy on Feb 16, 2013 8:34:02 GMT
Good job you didnt... Linux is Free? However, from that site, I found a downloadable users manual... I think I will send them that. The basic system is but the upgrade I needed cost money as did other add ons. The most user friendly Linux I trialled was called Xandros, from memory it was not free. Unless they fixed it Ubunto does not like hardware changes, it used to hang booting up if I had disconnected a hard drive, with power off< without unmounting it first. Linux programmers appear to assume a user is conversant with the platform and the command line system of correcting any faults. The only way to find out is to give it a go.
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Feb 16, 2013 14:33:13 GMT
Post by blacke4dawn on Feb 16, 2013 14:33:13 GMT
Good job you didnt... Linux is Free? However, from that site, I found a downloadable users manual... I think I will send them that. The basic system is but the upgrade I needed cost money as did other add ons. The most user friendly Linux I trialled was called Xandros, from memory it was not free. Unless they fixed it Ubunto does not like hardware changes, it used to hang booting up if I had disconnected a hard drive, with power off< without unmounting it first. Linux programmers appear to assume a user is conversant with the platform and the command line system of correcting any faults. The only way to find out is to give it a go. There are only 2 situations where removing an external HDD while powered down would become a "problem", the computer wasn't really powered down but rather put into hibernation (suspend to disc) or the external HDD is "hard coded" (in fstab) to be mounted upon boot. Today's user friendly distros are remarkably resilient to hardware changes during power off since they install everything they have in hardware support, not just the things they find during installation. There still may be a few too many things that need a command line to be run at all, but in all honesty would those who won't try and "fix" things under Linux (CLI or not) try and "fix" it under Windows.
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Feb 16, 2013 15:10:09 GMT
Post by c64 on Feb 16, 2013 15:10:09 GMT
Well, the manual comes with the OS, just click the HELP icon which is located somewhere in the start menu.
If you have a general problem, enter keywords in google and add "howto" to get one of a gazillion "how-to"s for almost any common problem you might encounter.
With the KDE4, you don't need to know anything about Linux, you just point and click like in Windows. The only difference is when you install stuff, usually software doesn't come with its own installer like in Windows. Here, either double click the "RPM" package or there's always a README file how to compile and or install the stuff.
The only problem is plugging in exotic hardware. Usually a message pops up on the error console identifying the hardware and tellig you what you need to install to make it work. You can also look at those messages by "dmesg|tail" (or just "dmesg" and the whole bunch of messages rolls over the screen). Or you look at what hardware IDs you got by "lspci" (built in) or "lsusb" (plugged in) and then just google for the ID and add "Linux" or "Howto".
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Feb 20, 2013 14:31:29 GMT
Post by kharnynb on Feb 20, 2013 14:31:29 GMT
Bit late to the group, but current ubuntu is a bit of a pain with the unity desktop. Try linux mint for a bit easier conversion from windows.
Xandros is an enterprise support package, not a distro as such. It seems like rebranded redhat from what i can see.
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Feb 21, 2013 3:18:05 GMT
Post by privatepaddy on Feb 21, 2013 3:18:05 GMT
Bit late to the group, but current ubuntu is a bit of a pain with the unity desktop. Try linux mint for a bit easier conversion from windows. Xandros is an enterprise support package, not a distro as such. It seems like rebranded redhat from what i can see. It has been several years since I used a magazine distro of Xandros but I did at one stage go looking for it. At that time it appeared to have a price tag attached. As I said earlier my main problem with Ubuntu was the screen resolution, which several attempts through the equivalent of the control panel to fix was unsuccessful and appeared to require an upgrade. The problem appeared to be similar to one I had in the early days when running a CGA monitor through an EGA compatible card The PC I was using is temporarily out of commission waiting for a new power supply, it is a 32 bit based system so it may not be worth the effort .
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Feb 21, 2013 8:22:00 GMT
Post by silverdragon on Feb 21, 2013 8:22:00 GMT
Paddy, PSU's are quite an easy refit.... it IS worth the effort, but I do suggest putting the new one on the desk and mapping out which wire will go where first before you rip out the old one, as they usually come with a few spare connections.... The ones you dont use are worth wrapping up in a bit of tape to keep them out of the way whilst you do the transplant.
If you are going to buy a Linux Disk from a web site, yes there is a price attached..... However, I would never go that way?. (They usually arrive one update short of a useful disk....) I have always downloaded the file and burnt it to disk on my own to make the "Live CD" version or make an install file, which I usually do as a slipstream file to include all latest updates and Firefox add ons as well?....
Other that that, I support the fact that Linux is always open source FREE...... You can get it free...
Red Hat has always been my own personal fave, as it was the one I helped in some way develop as a distro, until Firefox became more important that is, and I now work with Firefox.... (I am one of the community Beta developers who test each update to destruction before release...)
I have always had a dual boot PC, there is a nasty unfriendly drive in the base of my current one that all Wind-Woes programs hate, as its a pure Linux playground....
The Old-thing-under-the-desk is a Linux platform now, and I am working on making that a pure system server for the home LAN as community disk space for all the other machines, as we have quite a sizeable terabyte or tow of Media between us all that could be better served in one place.... instead of the forest of "have-you-seen-my" memory sticks currently in use to transfer stuff.....
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Feb 21, 2013 12:20:50 GMT
Post by kharnynb on Feb 21, 2013 12:20:50 GMT
what distro do you mean by firefox? mozilla's new os? Used to like ubuntu, but unity is just not my thing, so now it's mint for friends that are windows leavers and gentoo for myself
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Feb 22, 2013 10:04:46 GMT
Post by privatepaddy on Feb 22, 2013 10:04:46 GMT
Paddy, PSU's are quite an easy refit.... it IS worth the effort, but I do suggest putting the new one on the desk and mapping out which wire will go where first before you rip out the old one, as they usually come with a few spare connections.... The ones you dont use are worth wrapping up in a bit of tape to keep them out of the way whilst you do the transplant. If you are going to buy a Linux Disk from a web site, yes there is a price attached..... However, I would never go that way?. (They usually arrive one update short of a useful disk....) I have always downloaded the file and burnt it to disk on my own to make the "Live CD" version or make an install file, which I usually do as a slipstream file to include all latest updates and Firefox add ons as well?.... Other that that, I support the fact that Linux is always open source FREE...... You can get it free... Red Hat has always been my own personal fave, as it was the one I helped in some way develop as a distro, until Firefox became more important that is, and I now work with Firefox.... (I am one of the community Beta developers who test each update to destruction before release...) I have always had a dual boot PC, there is a nasty unfriendly drive in the base of my current one that all Wind-Woes programs hate, as its a pure Linux playground.... The Old-thing-under-the-desk is a Linux platform now, and I am working on making that a pure system server for the home LAN as community disk space for all the other machines, as we have quite a sizeable terabyte or tow of Media between us all that could be better served in one place.... instead of the forest of "have-you-seen-my" memory sticks currently in use to transfer stuff..... I suspect the PSU Electrolytic Caps are faulty/dry, as the system was new in 2002 it is a case of deciding if it is worth the effort to repair or spend a few coppers on something new, I like new it is bright and shiny
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Feb 25, 2013 8:52:09 GMT
Post by silverdragon on Feb 25, 2013 8:52:09 GMT
There is no operating system called Firefox. Firefox is the number one alternative to Internet Exploder as a Web Browser.... It runs under Windows as well as Linux.........
Paddy,
..the refit of a better PSU is worth the effort, dont bother trying to get inside the actual PSU for repairs, as most of them are built to withstand even the best attempts at incursion, when it says "No user serviceable parts inside" it isnt joking, and the parts to repair the thing are almost as expensive as a new one anyway... The thing should slide out as one all-inclusive unit once you have detached the snap-together leads, normally PSU's are built to be replaced.
One thing that can go wrong that is worth the checking is the fan on the back... they can be replaced easily, and can just stop spinning for no apparent reason?....
Other than that, Most PSU problems can be traced to Burn-Outs, as in, the PSU supplied is only JUST powerful enough to run what you got, in that, if you have a 300watt PSU, if you are replacing it, go for a 400watt one. They should only use what they need, so buying a 400 watt PSU will not mean it uses all of the 400 all of the time........ The old thing under the desk was built for expansion, it only uses what it needs, and the PSU inside is a maximum 650 watt... it ticks over at 200 watt most of the time, less even on idle, it can back off to less than a light bulb when it wants, but when I start using Graphic pads, twin screens, and lots of other USB and SATA expansions, when it REALLY gets pushed, when the extra cooling fans cut in, it can use those 600watts when it needs them?...
The new thing is a smaller 500watt psu, but then again, the extras inside are more eco-friendly built, they use less power anyway. So Why so high?.. because I built it, and I had a spare new 500watt one in a box that wanted a home....
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Feb 25, 2013 11:38:08 GMT
Post by privatepaddy on Feb 25, 2013 11:38:08 GMT
There is no operating system called Firefox. Firefox is the number one alternative to Internet Exploder as a Web Browser.... It runs under Windows as well as Linux......... Paddy, ..the refit of a better PSU is worth the effort, dont bother trying to get inside the actual PSU for repairs, as most of them are built to withstand even the best attempts at incursion, when it says "No user serviceable parts inside" it isnt joking, and the parts to repair the thing are almost as expensive as a new one anyway... The thing should slide out as one all-inclusive unit once you have detached the snap-together leads, normally PSU's are built to be replaced. One thing that can go wrong that is worth the checking is the fan on the back... they can be replaced easily, and can just stop spinning for no apparent reason?.... Other than that, Most PSU problems can be traced to Burn-Outs, as in, the PSU supplied is only JUST powerful enough to run what you got, in that, if you have a 300watt PSU, if you are replacing it, go for a 400watt one. They should only use what they need, so buying a 400 watt PSU will not mean it uses all of the 400 all of the time........ The old thing under the desk was built for expansion, it only uses what it needs, and the PSU inside is a maximum 650 watt... it ticks over at 200 watt most of the time, less even on idle, it can back off to less than a light bulb when it wants, but when I start using Graphic pads, twin screens, and lots of other USB and SATA expansions, when it REALLY gets pushed, when the extra cooling fans cut in, it can use those 600watts when it needs them?... The new thing is a smaller 500watt psu, but then again, the extras inside are more eco-friendly built, they use less power anyway. So Why so high?.. because I built it, and I had a spare new 500watt one in a box that wanted a home.... Silver there are not many things that are" Paddy proof " ;D A company I worked for used biscuit board pc systems as part of a windows based measurement and control system. Can't remember which Brand. They required a PSU but these did not have the required mother board connection so mugins pulled them apart and modified them. The mother board in the tower is pre SATA 32 bit and as I have said may not be worth the repair.
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Feb 25, 2013 11:59:27 GMT
Post by kharnynb on Feb 25, 2013 11:59:27 GMT
Red Hat has always been my own personal fave, as it was the one I helped in some way develop as a distro, until Firefox became more important that is, and I now work with Firefox.... (I am one of the community Beta developers who test each update to destruction before release...).... That was what i wondered about, i know firefox and the mozilla org. They do have an unfinished mobile os
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Feb 25, 2013 14:34:42 GMT
Post by silverdragon on Feb 25, 2013 14:34:42 GMT
I dont work with Mobile Phone software at all... Its against my beliefs that Moblies should be able to cook your dinner for you, I just want one that makes calls?.....
I help in mainly PC based software, with the occasional look at Mobile apps of the type that can be stuck n a memory stick... U3 type....
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Feb 25, 2013 16:39:30 GMT
Post by kharnynb on Feb 25, 2013 16:39:30 GMT
I think we are talking past eachother here You posted that red hat was your fave untill firefox came along. Just wondering what linux is your fav now then
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Feb 26, 2013 7:59:06 GMT
Post by silverdragon on Feb 26, 2013 7:59:06 GMT
I used to help with development of Linux
Red Hat is my Favourite O/S.... I have done some work for them in the past.
Firefox became my personal choice of Web Browser, Mozilla started to ask for help with development, I switched from O/S development to Firefox development, I cant do both...
I now help with Firefox beta testing.
Red Hat is STILL my favourite O/S, if I have one, but I do not do any development work for them any more, or any other O/S, I only work with Firefox... its all I have time for to be honest.
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Feb 26, 2013 13:42:41 GMT
Post by kharnynb on Feb 26, 2013 13:42:41 GMT
now it makes more sense I've beta tested for mozilla a while back in ff 3.4-3.7, but had to stop when i moved countries.
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