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Post by ironhold on Jun 10, 2013 22:03:01 GMT
I've got a wee bit of a dilemma.
Someone from church has asked if it is possible for me to transfer some items she has on audio cassette over to CD-R.
Thing is, so far as I know I can't do that. I can *maybe* stick a microphone in front of a cassette player and pray for the best, but that's about it.
My parents do have a multi-media set-up that can play vinyl, cassette, CD, and MP3. However, neither me nor my mom know where the manual is and so we have no idea if it can burn CDs like that.
What sort of equipment would I need for the job?
Thanks.
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Post by freegan on Jun 10, 2013 22:23:38 GMT
There are devices that look like modified Walkmans that connect by USB to your computer specifically designed for the task. Most even come with the software needed to detect the gaps between tracks and separate them.
There are also some that fit an optical drive bay and connect internally.
One of the leading manufacturers of these devices is ION. Check them out online.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 10, 2013 23:14:46 GMT
The software itself appears to be free, all you need is a cassette player (and I would assume the cables to connect it to your PC). Try this site for an idea as to what you'd need; www.nch.com.au/golden/index.html
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Post by ironhold on Jun 11, 2013 1:09:55 GMT
What sort of cables might I be looking at, then?
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 11, 2013 1:51:59 GMT
What sort of cables might I be looking at, then? Most cassette decks have RCA line level outlets. Most PC's have 1/8" TRS (Tip Ring Sleeve) line level inputs. So what you need is a Stereo RCA to 1/8" male adapter cable. Be sure to plug the 1/8" plug into the LINE in on the PC and not the MIC input. You will probably have to let the software know what input you are using (LINE)
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Post by c64 on Jun 11, 2013 6:55:31 GMT
There are many ways to do that.
First of all, you should use a good tape player. A walkman or other cheap cassette recorder gives you a low quality.
Then you need a recording device which can be any PC or laptop.
You can even use a DVD recorder which can record analogue input. Some can be set to record audio only but it doesn't matter since you can always use a "DVD ripper" program to extract the audio track of the "movie" you made from the audio tape.
You get the best results using a PC or laptop and a good audio editing program. I recommend "Audacity" since it is pretty good and for free!
Before you record, you should run the tape and watch the VU meter of the recording software. Then set the input (and/or output level of the tape machine) until the bar graph barely scratches the red part. When the bar hits the maximum, you loose information since digital data can't become greater than this maximum. Less is more when recording audio on digital media! Set the recording to stereo, 44.1kHz and at least 16 bits. If your sound card supports it, choose more than 16 bits. The reason is that when you use more than 16 bits, you can use the "normalize" filter to adapt the recording to maximum volume of the CD without clipping or losses. When done, save the data as 44.1kHz 16-bit stereo WAV since that's what belongs onto an audio CD.
Keep this file as your master record and then cut it into tracks. Use Nero or any CD burning software you like and add the audio tracks in an audio CD project.
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 13, 2013 5:46:09 GMT
Any tape deck that has a headphone jack can be used to supply, or any that have a feed to an amplifier, the trick is getting the right "Dongle" that will transfer left and right as separate inputs to the PC, and transfer that to PC input as Digital other than Audio signal... some have external dongles, I have an audio in left and right jacks right onto the Motherboard next to the audio out.... (this wasnt a cheap board)
As stated the Software is the key. Audacity as recommended above is a good free one. The higher the quality you can get, the better the final sound will be.... So straight away, IGNORE any device that does a fast>>>fwd speed copy thing on the tape. That will put too much strain on the tape and stretch it....
Saying that, the better the tape deck the better the digital file as well. Audiophiles will argue all day on what is the better system, use what you have got, if that is a good quality stereo system output that you can link to PC, go for that.
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Post by c64 on Jun 28, 2013 12:46:08 GMT
Any tape deck that has a headphone jack can be used You can also stick a sewing needle into a post card and scratch the needle along the groove and record the sound using a microphone! A headphone jack is meant for headphones. It has the wrong signal level, is meant for a very different impedance and usually boosts certain frequencies to make up for the bad linearity of common headphones. You need an output meant for an amp or a second tape deck to be able to record the music with reasonable quality! This is the only way to record the original signal from the tape fully unaltered and without extra distortions.
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Post by craighudson on Jun 28, 2013 13:00:49 GMT
You can also stick a sewing needle into a post card and scratch the needle along the groove and record the sound using a microphone! Only if you're recording from vinyl. The question was how to record from cassettes.
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Post by c64 on Jun 28, 2013 18:23:42 GMT
You can also stick a sewing needle into a post card and scratch the needle along the groove and record the sound using a microphone! Only if you're recording from vinyl. The question was how to record from cassettes. True, but explaining a home made cassete tape player would be a bit complicated, wouldn't it? It's not that hard to make a home made player for wire and you can make a reel to reel tape player if you are skilled, but the stereo compact cassette tape requires a precision which is even pretty hard for professionals.
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 28, 2013 19:02:07 GMT
...the stereo compact cassette tape requires a precision which is even pretty hard for professionals. And that's why they never did work very well. Even the best professional decks were never even close to LP quality or good reel-to-reel. The only reason they were accepted was because of "on the go" convenience.
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Post by c64 on Jun 28, 2013 20:18:34 GMT
...the stereo compact cassette tape requires a precision which is even pretty hard for professionals. And that's why they never did work very well. Even the best professional decks were never even close to LP quality or good reel-to-reel. The only reason they were accepted was because of "on the go" convenience. There just might be a reason why a 4-track reel to reel uses a ½ inch tape instead of a narrow "string" like a double sided stereo (2x2) compact cassette. But if you connect a HighCom system to a compact cassette system and use chrome tapes, the quality comes real close to a CD. But that's nothing compared to a high speed 1 inch flying head reel to reel machine on steroids HighCom!
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 1, 2013 6:14:19 GMT
You are going from Audio analogue to Digital... from a tape that would have already stretched and be distorted as well?... You also sound like you are old enough to remember the old system or taping from the radio chart shows before radio and tape were the same unit, when you pressed record and walked away to keep the room quiet....
Tapes are NOT a very good recording medium in the first place.
Well, I say that, I have an audio cassette that IS designed fro Digital machine... it was the pre-runner for DAT, Digital Audio Tape, and was good technology for about six months before it became outdated.....
My statement was meant to be read as anything FROM one with just a headphone jack can be used, dependant on what you have, its just how do you transfer that to something a Computer will understand as a data input source.
And BTW, Headpone jack to Mic jack on the back of a computer does work... nor very well, but it does work... As for the sound issues, you have tu use a graphic equaliser, but you would be doing that anyway.
Or you can just go spend £30 and buy a Tape deck with a USB3 lead?... I seam to remember seeing one like that in some hardware shop... it comes with a disk with some useful software on it, but audiograbber, as already mentioned by someone else, is a perfectly good software solution.
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Post by c64 on Jul 2, 2013 19:19:19 GMT
Tapes are NOT a very good recording medium in the first place. Exactly and more distortions won't help there! I've never had to copy a cassete by microphone. My very first cassette recorder had a German standard DIN jack (This is an extension cable. The actual standard link has the left plug on both ends.) The pin in the middle is ground and the left pair of pins is stereo IN and the right pair is stereo OUT. A mono machine takes the pins on the ends of the plug which is the left channel. A symmetric microphone offers positive signal on the left IN channel and negative signal on the left OUT channel. All signals are 0.7Vpp. A Stereo machine will accept either a stereo signal from any other kind of machine or just record on the left channel of a mono machine. A mono machine just takes the left channel ignoring the right channel. A symmetric mono recorder also accepts a asymmetric signal on the positive input with the negative signal input wired to the other machine's input delivering nothing. So you can plug any devices together using this standard cable and the machines will always use their "lowest common denominator" with maximum quality. A common record player with built in RIAA pre-amp has a "Tape" connector. In standard mode, it offers the music it plays to the connector and plays the music over its internal or external amp at the same time. Virtually all of those record players have a "Tape" switch where it still offers the music of the record to the connector as output but puts the signal from the input of this connector onto the speakers. So you can record a record on tape, play a tape over the record player speakers or you can record a record and play the current recording if the tape machine has a separate read and write head so you listen to the copy on tape while you record it to check the quality of your recording. This was a brilliant system, you just plug any machines you want together without the need to have any idea of what you are doing and it just works. And then came the US Chinch jacks in the late 80s spoiling everything and making everything real complicated. The old DIN system had vanished!
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Post by c64 on Jul 2, 2013 19:31:04 GMT
I almost forgot!
On the input pins, there is a DC voltage offset. This can be used as a phantom voltage to power a microphone. A stereo machine also senses the load of the source so a stereo machine can know that the right input is open using a simple diode logic (That's why this plug is also known as "Diodenstecker" = "diode plug") so a stereo recorder or amp knows that the right channel is missing and puts the left input onto both internal stereo channels. So your stereo tape machine will still record a microphone or mono source on both tracks and a stereo amp will play a microphone or mono source on both speakers!
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Post by c64 on Jul 2, 2013 19:41:22 GMT
You can do a lot of neat stuff using this system.
Most reel to reel tape machine have at least two jacks. You can record two sources simultaneously on both tracks, e.g. the music from a record player on the left channel of the tape and your microphone singing along on the right track and playing it back you can regulate the volume independently or switch to single channel mode.
Then you can "daisy chain" machines. If you have a record player with speakers, you can make another record player or tape machine - or just an amp - play the same music on its own speakers. With the extension cables, it was no problem playing music on your stereo system in the living room and playing the same music outside or in another room during a big party using another machine. You can use more than one machine with speakers if the ones in the middle have two jacks like any good reel to reel machine has. And it can work in all directions so you can play a record from your living room stereo and then play a tape outside near the BBQ grill.
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Post by the light works on Jul 7, 2013 15:30:14 GMT
You can do a lot of neat stuff using this system. Most reel to reel tape machine have at least two jacks. You can record two sources simultaneously on both tracks, e.g. the music from a record player on the left channel of the tape and your microphone singing along on the right track and playing it back you can regulate the volume independently or switch to single channel mode. Then you can "daisy chain" machines. If you have a record player with speakers, you can make another record player or tape machine - or just an amp - play the same music on its own speakers. With the extension cables, it was no problem playing music on your stereo system in the living room and playing the same music outside or in another room during a big party using another machine. You can use more than one machine with speakers if the ones in the middle have two jacks like any good reel to reel machine has. And it can work in all directions so you can play a record from your living room stereo and then play a tape outside near the BBQ grill. so you're saying it is the forefather of HDMI.
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Post by the light works on Jul 7, 2013 15:31:33 GMT
except that HDMI can also carry video and communications signals. (for example, my bluray player tells my TV to switch to the bluray input, and my TV tells the bluray player to turn off, when I turn the TV off.)
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Post by c64 on Jul 7, 2013 15:58:10 GMT
except that HDMI can also carry video and communications signals. (for example, my bluray player tells my TV to switch to the bluray input, and my TV tells the bluray player to turn off, when I turn the TV off.) That was done with the European analogue SCART standard for TVs. Pin 8 had a "switch voltage" of 12V. When you started your VCR, the TV switched to its SCART input until you hit stop.
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 12, 2013 6:57:59 GMT
Ideally, you want to have a computer with a "Line In" audio input so you can connect the tapedeck at the proper signal level, as described by GTCGreg. NOTE: You may be able to use the "Microphone" input of your computer directly, but it will sound horrible and be almost impossible to regulate (for the reasons Greg listed).
If your computer only has a USB input, you can do what I've been playing with in the last few weeks. I can recommend Audacity software with a portable ION USB turntable to provide proper impedance matching.
Hookup is:
Stereo tapedeck Line Out Left/Right to Line In connection on turntable (using a cable like GTCGreg recommended).
USB output on turntable to USB input on laptop.
Install the software on the laptop and make certain Audacity can see your USB audio input. Start Audacity recording, and you can set the levels on the PC. The turntable itself also has a line level adjustment for your convenience.
Once you're done recording, you can edit the recording using Audacity. You can even process the audio with its included tools, such as Noise Reduction. When you're ready to make a CD, Audacity can produce several different audio files of your recordings, in a variety of formats.
To burn the CD, you can use Windows Media Player, or another program if you like. Personally, I just produce MP3 files for import into iTunes, so I haven't bothered with CDs.
A lot of this can be found on the web by Googling "how to convert cassette to CD" or similar.
Good luck.
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