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Post by silverdragon on Jun 13, 2013 6:38:34 GMT
If you get a phone call from someone who claims you have a Virus on your Lap Top, its a SCAM
Do NOT in any way turn on your computer and let them "Talk you through" anything..... The4y will want you to activate remote assistance, at which stage they will remove personal data from your computer.
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Post by the light works on Jun 13, 2013 13:41:37 GMT
I think the appropriate response to that call would be "I have a laptop?"
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 14, 2013 5:33:10 GMT
The appropriate response is "Its in the other room....." Then "Its not where I thought it was, it may be in the car..........." ETC for about 20 mins, until they hang up....
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Post by the light works on Jun 14, 2013 5:55:31 GMT
that or "oh, my (spouse) has it, here's his/her number (and this is why it's good to have the telephone number of the police department memorized)
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 14, 2013 8:31:17 GMT
I have had the call traced and passed on to known agencies that "Will deal with it".....
BTW, Extra info, most reported cases have confirmed call originated from an India based call centre?....
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Post by Lokifan on Jun 27, 2013 7:19:51 GMT
A friend of mine got hit by this. She's a smart lady in general, but a little naive online--a latecomer to the online universe, so she's still learning.
This company's business model was to call the user and claim to detect possible virus activity on their computer, and they do activate remote access. Luckily, all they do is run a virus checker and then proclaim you virus free. They then sign you up for their "remote maintenance" service package.
Initial cost was about $120. Follow up in six months for only $80 for their "full protection service update".
She finally called me about it, asking if I thought it was a "good deal". I frankly freaked out that anyone had taken remote control of her machine (I'd set it up for her). I researched the company and found they were scum, but at least not known to put in trojans or steal data. They were scamming her, of course, but not stealing from her (except for the exorbitant fees).
She already had a virus checker/firewall from her ISP, so I had her do a system restore to the previous version (before her "service" was performed) and run a full scan. No problems. Cleaning up her various caches improved performance, as well as some junk she'd installed at startup (Why does everybody and their brother want to install crap at startup?) that was seriously eating up her CPU time.
Basically, all she needed was AVG (or Norton, or Symantec) and a quick check with Malwarebytes and Spybot S&D, and she was good to go.
I also suggested that the next time she feels like she might have a virus and she doesn't want to call me, she can always take it to any of the local reputable computer shops and pay a lot less for a system optimization. Even Best Buy or Staples is cheaper and more reliable than an anonymous voice on the phone. Heck, some will do the testing for free.
I can't remember the company's name, but it was based in England.
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Post by the light works on Jun 27, 2013 13:50:42 GMT
A friend of mine got hit by this. She's a smart lady in general, but a little naive online--a latecomer to the online universe, so she's still learning. This company's business model was to call the user and claim to detect possible virus activity on their computer, and they do activate remote access. Luckily, all they do is run a virus checker and then proclaim you virus free. They then sign you up for their "remote maintenance" service package. Initial cost was about $120. Follow up in six months for only $80 for their "full protection service update". She finally called me about it, asking if I thought it was a "good deal". I frankly freaked out that anyone had taken remote control of her machine (I'd set it up for her). I researched the company and found they were scum, but at least not known to put in trojans or steal data. They were scamming her, of course, but not stealing from her (except for the exorbitant fees). She already had a virus checker/firewall from her ISP, so I had her do a system restore to the previous version (before her "service" was performed) and run a full scan. No problems. Cleaning up her various caches improved performance, as well as some junk she'd installed at startup (Why does everybody and their brother want to install crap at startup?) that was seriously eating up her CPU time. Basically, all she needed was AVG (or Norton, or Symantec) and a quick check with Malwarebytes and Spybot S&D, and she was good to go. I also suggested that the next time she feels like she might have a virus and she doesn't want to call me, she can always take it to any of the local reputable computer shops and pay a lot less for a system optimization. Even Best Buy or Staples is cheaper and more reliable than an anonymous voice on the phone. Heck, some will do the testing for free. I can't remember the company's name, but it was based in England. With apologies to Mr. Churchill; "Norton is the worst antivirus... except all the others I've tried."
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Post by GTCGreg on Jun 27, 2013 14:46:59 GMT
I've always used the free version of Avast. Never had a problem with the program and it's caught a number of nasties trying to get into my computers.
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Post by the light works on Jun 27, 2013 15:51:31 GMT
I've always used the free version of Avast. Never had a problem with the program and it's caught a number of nasties trying to get into my computers. I used the paid version of AVG for a bout a week before getting shut down by a virus.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 27, 2013 16:37:06 GMT
I've always used the free version of Avast. Never had a problem with the program and it's caught a number of nasties trying to get into my computers. I use Avast too, both on my PC and my phone. I've used both Norton and McAfee (or how ever that's spelled) in the past, but they've never caught anything that the free version of Avast hasn't been able to catch just as well, so there's no way I'm ever paying for any of those again.
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Post by silverdragon on Jun 28, 2013 6:32:22 GMT
Norton is the one I use.... (Its owned by Symantec) And work for from time to time. (I do Beta testing)
That latest remote monitoring service sounds like a new variant of this scam.... I will pass on the details wherever its known.... Would you mind naming the company please for research purposes?... Ta much.
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Post by c64 on Jun 28, 2013 12:37:31 GMT
I've always used the free version of Avast. Never had a problem with the program and it's caught a number of nasties trying to get into my computers. And you know that nothing has sneaked past your AV software because the very same AV software didn't report anything!?
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Post by c64 on Jul 28, 2013 12:06:04 GMT
Pic 1: I tell you: This program will detect any virus! Pic 2: Any? Pic 3: … Pic 4: ANY!!!Attachment Deleted
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Post by kharnynb on Aug 10, 2013 10:34:43 GMT
Actually we got a call like that once on our campus flat, thought that was the uni's tech team one of our housemates was racking up an impressive up/down ratio due to a trojan. I prefer f-secure as a virus protection, but avast is pretty decent too.
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Post by c64 on Dec 8, 2013 17:48:11 GMT
I've got this call the first time - in English. Glad that most of the elder computer users are still safe due to the lack of English skills.
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Post by blazerrose on Dec 10, 2013 0:49:43 GMT
My SIL got one of these calls, and gullible as she is, she started talking to them, then got them off the line and wisely called my other SIL and me to report it. We checked her computer and it seems that all is well, so no malware got installed.
I hope to get the call. I'd love to mess with them and tell them I have Linux.
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Post by c64 on Dec 10, 2013 15:38:42 GMT
My SIL got one of these calls, and gullible as she is, she started talking to them, then got them off the line and wisely called my other SIL and me to report it. We checked her computer and it seems that all is well, so no malware got installed. I hope to get the call. I'd love to mess with them and tell them I have Linux. I didn't had the time to mess with them. Some insults had to do it. When we still had the "Eliza trained parrot" I used to get the parrot, switch to speaker and put him onto the phone. He loves to have a good conversation over the phone. And unlike the Eliza Program, the parrot can sense what the one on the other end of the line wants to hear and say the opposite. The basic concept of the conversation of this bird is like shaking a magic 8-ball but a bit more intelligent than that. Also it talks in a very strong local dialect so the telemarketers assume they misunderstood if the answer won't match in any way. One of the good calls ended like this: The parrot started to play with the buttons P: *beep* *boop* *beeeeeeeeeep* T: "Could you please stop that?" P: "What?" T: "The beeping!" P: "Huh?" T: "Stop pressing buttons, please!" P: "No?" T: "Are you making fun of me?" P: "YES!!!!" T: *click* P: "Jerk!"
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Post by the light works on Dec 10, 2013 15:56:18 GMT
My SIL got one of these calls, and gullible as she is, she started talking to them, then got them off the line and wisely called my other SIL and me to report it. We checked her computer and it seems that all is well, so no malware got installed. I hope to get the call. I'd love to mess with them and tell them I have Linux. I didn't had the time to mess with them. Some insults had to do it. When we still had the "Eliza trained parrot" I used to get the parrot, switch to speaker and put him onto the phone. He loves to have a good conversation over the phone. And unlike the Eliza Program, the parrot can sense what the one on the other end of the line wants to hear and say the opposite. The basic concept of the conversation of this bird is like shaking a magic 8-ball but a bit more intelligent than that. Also it talks in a very strong local dialect so the telemarketers assume they misunderstood if the answer won't match in any way. One of the good calls ended like this: The parrot started to play with the buttons P: *beep* *boop* *beeeeeeeeeep* T: "Could you please stop that?" P: "What?" T: "The beeping!" P: "Huh?" T: "Stop pressing buttons, please!" P: "No?" T: "Are you making fun of me?" P: "YES!!!!" T: *click* P: "Jerk!" I did some remodeling in a local hotel. while I was working on the lobby, I had a bit of a conversation with the desk clerk, where they had a parrot behind the desk. she told me that one day, while she was cleaning the lobby, she heard the phone ring and someone take a reservation. when she looked around the corner, there was nobody there but the parrot - who, quite obviously, couldn't reach the phone.
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Post by c64 on Dec 10, 2013 16:10:05 GMT
The ringing phone sure was included in the imitation of the bird.
My dad used to have a kitchen shop in the first floor and a carpenter workshop in the basement in the 60s and 70s. The flat was on the second floor. To avoid repelling customers by closing the door, he had installed a light barrier and there was a bell. When the bell rang, he had to rush to the shop to serve the customer and last but not least prevent that someone steals stuff. The office in the shop was locked of course.
After a year or so, he often heard the bell ringing and ran into the shop but there wasn't anybody. He assumed that someone had discovered the light barrier (which used visible light from a light bulb) and was playing tricks on him. When he had hired a temp shop assistant, the assistant had confirmed that nobody had played with the light barrier and he didn't had heard the relay click which was located inside the office.
It turned out that it was the parakeet of my dad's mother which rang like the shop bell. So he had to install a 2-tune gong the parakeet was unable to reproduce authentically.
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Post by the light works on Dec 10, 2013 16:52:22 GMT
The ringing phone sure was included in the imitation of the bird. My dad used to have a kitchen shop in the first floor and a carpenter workshop in the basement in the 60s and 70s. The flat was on the second floor. To avoid repelling customers by closing the door, he had installed a light barrier and there was a bell. When the bell rang, he had to rush to the shop to serve the customer and last but not least prevent that someone steals stuff. The office in the shop was locked of course. After a year or so, he often heard the bell ringing and ran into the shop but there wasn't anybody. He assumed that someone had discovered the light barrier (which used visible light from a light bulb) and was playing tricks on him. When he had hired a temp shop assistant, the assistant had confirmed that nobody had played with the light barrier and he didn't had heard the relay click which was located inside the office. It turned out that it was the parakeet of my dad's mother which rang like the shop bell. So he had to install a 2-tune gong the parakeet was unable to reproduce authentically. yes, the parrot had done the entire thing, in sequence. mine will occasionally give me a complete sentence, in context; but normally just yells phrases. she did answer the phone with me, once, and I don't think the caller even realized that I took over the conversation after their third question.
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