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Post by ironhold on Jun 22, 2013 20:11:04 GMT
Back during the 1980s, one of the big toy lines was M.A.S.K. - www.albertpenello.com/mask/ . For those who don't recall, the premise was simple. Industrialist Matt Trakker developed a series of vehicles and pre-fab structures that could convert from normal, innocent-looking machines to high-tech combat vehicles via deploying hidden weapons, electronics, and/or motive options. However, his partner in developing them, a former military man named Miles Mayhem, killed Matt's brother and stole several prototypes and designs in order to start his own private army. The two sides now clash using a series of increasingly advanced and complex war machines. I'll come right out and say that some vehicles just wouldn't work in real life. For example, Thunderhawk relies on a pair of gull-wing doors to serve as enough of a lifting body to get a 1980s Chevy Camaro airborne. Likewise, Hurricane has a small-bore cannon extending off-center from the windshield of a 1957 Chevy. And as awesome as it may be, you just have to take a look at Wildcat to see how absurdly difficult it would be to pull off in real life. Others, however, are far more plausible. For example, Slingshot is actually a mini-jet transporter disguised as a 1980s-style motor home, which would presumably have enough room inside to hide such a craft; similarly, Outlaw consists of a turreted artillery cannon hidden in a tanker trailer and a rocket launcher hidden in the truck cab. Meanwhile, Firecracker is set up so that the cab and bed of the truck elevate above the chassis, allowing a series of lasers to deploy. Either way, the entire premise still comes down to one thing: can a vehicle sport hidden, deploy-at-a-moment's-notice tech but still look like a mundane machine to the untrained eye? The MBs don't have to try and use any of the actual vehicle designs; they can come up with their own and still satisfy the terms of the myth. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 23, 2013 12:12:04 GMT
Note; I'm playing devils, or more specifically producers, advocate here. There are practical and legal limitations to what MB is willing and able to do on the show. I try to note what objections/problems they may have with ideas from this prospective. I'm not dismissing this idea, and in fact LOVE seeing new ideas posted - CM
Might be better if they looked at this from a James Bond prospective, since the principal of hiding gadgets inside apparently innocent looking vehicles is one of the staple of the Bond series. (Bond is also well known, while Thunderhawk isn't).
That said, I have to wonder if MB might not consider this unsuitable for the show. They - or the police - might be concerned that it could give people ideas or 'tips' as to how to arm a vehicle without it being apparent. (Which I'm going to guess would be HIGHLY illegal everywhere.)
I think the closest they are likely to get to this would be what they did in the spy car myths.
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Post by the light works on Jun 23, 2013 21:59:31 GMT
They've already deployed a minigun from a suburban.
beyond that, though, I'm inclined to agree with Cybermortis - they may not have the budget for it, since it would probably involve completely rebuilding the vehicle.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 23, 2013 22:12:34 GMT
They've already deployed a minigun from a suburban. beyond that, though, I'm inclined to agree with Cybermortis - they may not have the budget for it, since it would probably involve completely rebuilding the vehicle. The vehicle with the mini-gun was provided by...well I'm not sure who, just that MB didn't build it themselves and the owner was someone who didn't have to worry too much about getting permission. |
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Post by the light works on Jun 23, 2013 22:29:01 GMT
They've already deployed a minigun from a suburban. beyond that, though, I'm inclined to agree with Cybermortis - they may not have the budget for it, since it would probably involve completely rebuilding the vehicle. The vehicle with the mini-gun was provided by...well I'm not sure who, just that MB didn't build it themselves and the owner was someone who didn't have to worry too much about getting permission. I believe it is owned by a company that operates it as part of a paid firing range inventory. - but it still remains the case that we have confirmation that it is possible to deploy a minigun from an SUV. |
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Post by User Unavailable on Jun 24, 2013 2:01:58 GMT
I guess it kind of depends on which state you live in as to whether armed vehicles are okay or not.
Around here where I live, it's nothing to see surplus, restored WWII vehicles being driven to various functions for display (such as Veterans Day activities), with fully functional and legally owned M1919 or M2 Brownings mounted on them. The vehicles and weapons are owned by private citizens.
I can nothing in my states gun laws prohibiting the mounting of guns in a vehicle.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 24, 2013 11:14:32 GMT
I can nothing in my states gun laws prohibiting the mounting of guns in a vehicle. # It might be covered by local laws regarding concealed weapons, laws regarding hidden compartments or restrictions on modifying vehicles. There might also be something in Federal law that prohibits adding weapons to vehicles without permission/a permit. I'd guess that even if it turns out that there are such laws in your area, ex-military vehicles would be exempt since the weapons are clearly on view and of course they were designed to carry those weapons. |
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Post by the light works on Jun 24, 2013 14:19:02 GMT
here, you must have a more-trusted-than-the-average-citizen type of firearms license to have a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle (it counts as a concealed weapon)weapons that are more than civilian versions of military weapons require a specific license. here, it is relatively easy to get - California will be more complicated. of course, there is no rule that says the Mythbusters have to mount FUNCTIONAL weapons, and they probably have contacts that can get them official training replicas.
still leaves us with the consideration that to convert a vehicle into a concealed weapon, it requires a professional rebuild of the vehicle.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 24, 2013 15:46:36 GMT
here, you must have a more-trusted-than-the-average-citizen type of firearms license to have a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle (it counts as a concealed weapon)weapons that are more than civilian versions of military weapons require a specific license. here, it is relatively easy to get - California will be more complicated. of course, there is no rule that says the Mythbusters have to mount FUNCTIONAL weapons, and they probably have contacts that can get them official training replicas. still leaves us with the consideration that to convert a vehicle into a concealed weapon, it requires a professional rebuild of the vehicle. They would also end up in the same place as with improvised silencers - In order to prevent people from being able to copy their designs they'd have to omit so much footage and explanation you's end up with the segment consisting of telling everyone the myth, then a blurred screen for ten-twenty minutes and then them telling the viewers if the result is confirmed or not. The fact is that if you had the time, money and skills you could most likely add hidden weapons to the average car. However the work and reading needed to do so sort of eliminates any possible defence you could offer*. If MB did this someone would no doubt use the excuse that they saw it on the show and assumed this was all legal. (*Prosecutor; So...You'r telling the court that you spent six months researching and building a .30 calibre machine gun into your headlights...But never at any point picked up a book to check what you were doing was in fact legal? I have to say you are the smartest idiot I've ever met...And I work with judges.) |
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Post by the light works on Jun 24, 2013 15:50:49 GMT
here, you must have a more-trusted-than-the-average-citizen type of firearms license to have a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle (it counts as a concealed weapon)weapons that are more than civilian versions of military weapons require a specific license. here, it is relatively easy to get - California will be more complicated. of course, there is no rule that says the Mythbusters have to mount FUNCTIONAL weapons, and they probably have contacts that can get them official training replicas. still leaves us with the consideration that to convert a vehicle into a concealed weapon, it requires a professional rebuild of the vehicle. They would also end up in the same place as with improvised silencers - In order to prevent people from being able to copy their designs they'd have to omit so much footage and explanation you's end up with the segment consisting of telling everyone the myth, then a blurred screen for ten-twenty minutes and then them telling the viewers if the result is confirmed or not. and does it really make it a good myth to know whether or not we can make a silencer out of a <bleep> or a <duck quack>? it might be another amusing april fools schtick - to do an entirely censored bust. |
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Post by breesfan on Jun 30, 2013 1:06:25 GMT
I remember M.A.S.K. Awesome show!! That is all.  |
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Post by User Unavailable on Jun 30, 2013 4:33:43 GMT
While not a fan of Sons of Guns, I have watched some episodes.
Season 3, episode 7, they conceal a couple full auto M16s inside a Porsche SUV and reduced explosive charge Claymore Mines for external close defense.
They built and texted the vehicle in Louisiana.
So yeah, it can be done, so their really is no myth.
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Post by the light works on Jun 30, 2013 22:51:47 GMT
While not a fan of Sons of Guns, I have watched some episodes. Season 3, episode 7, they conceal a couple full auto M16s inside a Porsche SUV and reduced explosive charge Claymore Mines for external close defense. They built and texted the vehicle in Louisiana. So yeah, it can be done, so their really is no myth. that's gotta scratch the bodywork when it goes off. (the defensive strips) |
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jul 6, 2013 12:33:46 GMT
of course, there is no rule that says the Mythbusters have to mount FUNCTIONAL weapons Nerf guns?  But seriously, I think Cyber's right about the potential legal hassles for a "concealed gun" myth. If there's some other gadgetry in the vehicles, that might work for a myth ... assuming they don't need to blow too much of the episode on "what the heck are we talking about?". (I remember the show, but realistically how many of the MB audience will?) |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 6, 2013 13:41:05 GMT
Well, bear in mind that this was a kids' property, and so in addition to lasers and the occasional missile we had things like: *twin cannons that can shoot a fast-hardening form of concrete (Wildcat) *launcher mechanisms capable of shooting circular saw blades (Wildcat, Iguana) *flare launchers (Bulldog) *grappling hook / winch rigs (Bandit) Additionally, you had several vehicles (such as Rhino, Meteor, Gator, and pretty much the entire Split Seconds line) where the vehicle could actually split into two smaller units. For example, Detonator was a Volkswagon "Baja" bug whose shell and front cargo compartment could split off to become a hovercraft, leaving the chassis behind to serve as an ATV. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 9, 2013 8:49:02 GMT
Oh Yessssss...........
I know that with a bit of tinkering, a mundane vehicle can hold twice, if not more, horsepower than it looks like it holds...
With that in mind, a simple lever system to deploy door panel mounted side armaments,?.. no problem.
Take any rear engined car, you could quite easily hide a small cannon in the front?....
I also know that in south Africa, normal mundane cars often hide a variety of anti- car jacking defences, because car jacking and hostage taking was at one point considered a national sport/pastime?...
I hope it has got a little better since then.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 1, 2013 7:06:27 GMT
As long as we're dealing with old cartoons, how about Speed Racer's Mach 5?
(Maybe a different thread, I think).
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Post by maxman on Aug 4, 2013 8:30:28 GMT
They've already deployed a minigun from a suburban. That was an Escalade. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2013 15:18:48 GMT
They've already deployed a minigun from a suburban. That was an Escalade. an escalate is a suburban with a bigger price tag. |
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Post by maxman on Aug 5, 2013 1:31:24 GMT
No, an Escalade is a Tahoe with a higher price tag.
An Escalade ESV is a Suburban with a higher price tag.
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