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Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2017 18:04:19 GMT
as I recall, she was falling face up in the comic, as well. of course, if I am wrong, the fact that basal skull fracture is a thing confirms it. otherwise, the most recent carp-to-the-face episode supports the theory. In the comic Gwen was falling headfirst facing the bridge. You can check the death of Gwen Stacy entry on Wilkipedia, which includes a pannel of the event. I remember this story rather well; I used to have the Spider-Man annual that included this story. It was in fact not just the first comic I can remember reading, but the first thing I can recall reading. I believe it is still in my attic.  |
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 8, 2017 19:34:38 GMT
The Gwen Stacy fall might be a viable myth, its easy enough to test and there are two different versions; The Movie and Comic ones.
There would be a decent number of tests beyond just dropping a body - they would need to look at how flexable Spidey's webbing is and therefore how suddenly the stop would have been, this would require testing of various materials to find something that could stand in for webbing. Plus testing of different 'webbing'.
So they could either go for the basic version and straightforeward testing. Or expand things a little and have some builds and extra testing depending on the needs of the episode - or do the 'long' version and edit things down as required.
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Post by the light works on Dec 8, 2017 19:48:56 GMT
The Gwen Stacy fall might be a viable myth, its easy enough to test and there are two different versions; The Movie and Comic ones. There would be a decent number of tests beyond just dropping a body - they would need to look at how flexable Spidey's webbing is and therefore how suddenly the stop would have been, this would require testing of various materials to find something that could stand in for webbing. Plus testing of different 'webbing'. So they could either go for the basic version and straightforeward testing. Or expand things a little and have some builds and extra testing depending on the needs of the episode - or do the 'long' version and edit things down as required. yes. there are a lot of variables, and the final test would be telegenic. on the one end of the scale, you have bungee jumping, which is generally regarded as safe, and on the other you have the knowledge that hitting the end of a rope with no "give" is really no better than hitting the ground. |
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Post by ironhold on Dec 9, 2017 2:05:02 GMT
So then, we've got two fully viable myths?
Myth #1 - Forging a metal pole or piece of rebar into a sword under sub-optimal conditions as per the Justice League episode "Hereafter".
*Would the small sledge Superman found be heavy enough to attempt the forging process anyway?
*Would road flares provide enough heat long enough for conventional forging?
*Could Superman have cold-forged the metal into a sword instead?
*Would the resulting sword have been any better than simply sharpening the metal into a spear?
*Would the sledge been a viable alternate weapon?
Myth #2 - Death of Gwen Stacy
*Would the sudden deceleration depicted in the comics have generated enough whiplash to snap her neck?
*How hard would the blow to her head as seen in "Amazing Spider-Man 2" needed to have been to be instantly fatal as depicted, and could the necessary force have been generated from the short distance her head traveled?
Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe we have an entire episode just right here, if not a special.
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Post by ironhold on Dec 25, 2017 2:30:26 GMT
Almost forgot another Spidey one.
In the original comics, Spider-Man's "webs" are actually a type of adhesive of Peter's own design. The adhesive is shot out through devices on his wrists. IIRC, "him running out of this adhesive" was used as a plot point on more than one occasion.
So - is it possible to develop a wrist-based adhesive sprayer that won't goop the user *and* can get respectable distance?
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Post by the light works on Dec 25, 2017 4:01:02 GMT
Almost forgot another Spidey one. In the original comics, Spider-Man's "webs" are actually a type of adhesive of Peter's own design. The adhesive is shot out through devices on his wrists. IIRC, "him running out of this adhesive" was used as a plot point on more than one occasion. So - is it possible to develop a wrist-based adhesive sprayer that won't goop the user *and* can get respectable distance? it is the distance that is the challenge. along with having a small enough fluid reservoir to wear around the wrist. anyone who has sprayed wasps knows you can fire a jet spray from the right shape of nozzle. |
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Post by silverdragon on Dec 28, 2017 10:03:43 GMT
"Silly string".... anyone who has ever emptied a can of the stuff over a friend knows how they can get a few feet distance.
Surely the jet can be optimized to go a little further with the right propellant and sticky stuff?.
BTW Warning folks, dont silly string a car unless you want the stain to alter the paintwork.
I shouldnt have said that should I ?.
Its one of those unless its treated really quick it can attack certain types of paint and change the colour semi-permanently.
Not so bad that a few hours with colour restorer and wax wont fix, it its a real pain.... but it is something that wont come off with a sponge and soapy water?.
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Post by Cybermortis on Dec 28, 2017 18:33:45 GMT
The range of Spidey's webshooters in official guides from a few years back was 100 yards.
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Post by the light works on Dec 29, 2017 0:44:21 GMT
The range of Spidey's webshooters in official guides from a few years back was 100 yards. to give a relative comparison, the effective range of a not-line-gun (the rope team is not allowed to use anything called "gun") is about 133 yards (122m).  www.resqmax.com/products.php |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 7, 2018 1:20:41 GMT
This one comes from the 1989 version of "The Punisher".
In an early scene, ninja working for a yakuza syndicate try to hijack a large shipment of drugs for themselves.
Phase one is to hijack the boat it's coming in on, phase two is to kill the security presence on the docks, and phase three is to kill the high-level mobsters awaiting it on the pier.
During phase two, one ninja kills one of the mobsters by throwing a sword through a vehicle's front windshield. The mobster is sitting in the driver's seat of a van that will be used to move things out, and the blade just flies through the glass and impales him.
Yeah.
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Post by the light works on Jul 7, 2018 4:38:20 GMT
This one comes from the 1989 version of "The Punisher". In an early scene, ninja working for a yakuza syndicate try to hijack a large shipment of drugs for themselves. Phase one is to hijack the boat it's coming in on, phase two is to kill the security presence on the docks, and phase three is to kill the high-level mobsters awaiting it on the pier. During phase two, one ninja kills one of the mobsters by throwing a sword through a vehicle's front windshield. The mobster is sitting in the driver's seat of a van that will be used to move things out, and the blade just flies through the glass and impales him. Yeah. that may be possible. tiny initial contact area, focuses a lot of force, sharp edge to pierce the shatter resistant membrane. critical question - did he throw it end over end, or like a spear? keep in mind it is a little more than a flick of the wrist to put the spike on this through a windshield.  |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 7, 2018 5:07:15 GMT
This one comes from the 1989 version of "The Punisher". In an early scene, ninja working for a yakuza syndicate try to hijack a large shipment of drugs for themselves. Phase one is to hijack the boat it's coming in on, phase two is to kill the security presence on the docks, and phase three is to kill the high-level mobsters awaiting it on the pier. During phase two, one ninja kills one of the mobsters by throwing a sword through a vehicle's front windshield. The mobster is sitting in the driver's seat of a van that will be used to move things out, and the blade just flies through the glass and impales him. Yeah. that may be possible. tiny initial contact area, focuses a lot of force, sharp edge to pierce the shatter resistant membrane. critical question - did he throw it end over end, or like a spear? keep in mind it is a little more than a flick of the wrist to put the spike on this through a windshield. It's not shown, likely to save money on rigging; it was a low-budget affair. We just see the guy in the van radio in a status report, then he's impaled. Cut to a shot of the windshield showing the sword through it. |
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Post by the light works on Jul 7, 2018 5:10:00 GMT
that may be possible. tiny initial contact area, focuses a lot of force, sharp edge to pierce the shatter resistant membrane. critical question - did he throw it end over end, or like a spear? keep in mind it is a little more than a flick of the wrist to put the spike on this through a windshield. It's not shown, likely to save money on rigging; it was a low-budget affair. We just see the guy in the van radio in a status report, then he's impaled. Cut to a shot of the windshield showing the sword through it. how definite is the implication it is thrown? the dynamics of stabbing it through would be different from throwing it through. |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 7, 2018 6:44:37 GMT
It's not shown, likely to save money on rigging; it was a low-budget affair. We just see the guy in the van radio in a status report, then he's impaled. Cut to a shot of the windshield showing the sword through it. how definite is the implication it is thrown? the dynamics of stabbing it through would be different from throwing it through. Didn't see any shadows before the impalement, nor did the victim react, so likely thrown. But stabbing could be testable as well. |
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Post by mrfatso on Jul 7, 2018 6:52:51 GMT
Where these ninjas using traditional Japanese style blades?
The techniques used in making those mean that although the edge is very sharp the body of the blade does not take shocks as well as other steels.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 7, 2018 13:06:29 GMT
The blade might be capable of passing through a windshield, but thrown or stabbed if it has any kind of hand-guard that would prevent it from passing through completely.
The blade of a Katana is typically some 3 feet in length, so a very rough estimate is that depending on the position of the seat and the depth of the dashboard this might not be long enough to actually make contact with someone sitting there, or at best you'd get maybe an inch of penetration; assuming you don't hit the steering wheel.
Katana is actually a rather generic term and technically covers a variety of blade lengths, so I'm talking about what we view as a Katana which is actually an intermediate design both in terms of length and blade thickness.
'Can you throw a sword?' is actually a viable myth in its own right, as there are a fair number of examples in various films and to a lesser extent TV shows where someone throws a sword into a wall or person and it sticks in point first. I even think I've seen one example of someone throwing a sword under someone's feet so they could stand on it.
There are also examples of people throwing axes that were clearly not designed as throwing axes, and countless occasions of people doing the same with knives of different types.
That might be a good myth there, as the start would be bringing in someone to teach the guys how to throw knives. Then move on to trying to throw knives that were not intended to be thrown and then moving onto axes and swords - 'Hey, a sword is just a long knife so it should be just as easy to throw. Right?'.
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Post by the light works on Jul 7, 2018 14:09:33 GMT
The blade might be capable of passing through a windshield, but thrown or stabbed if it has any kind of hand-guard that would prevent it from passing through completely. The blade of a Katana is typically some 3 feet in length, so a very rough estimate is that depending on the position of the seat and the depth of the dashboard this might not be long enough to actually make contact with someone sitting there, or at best you'd get maybe an inch of penetration; assuming you don't hit the steering wheel. Katana is actually a rather generic term and technically covers a variety of blade lengths, so I'm talking about what we view as a Katana which is actually an intermediate design both in terms of length and blade thickness. 'Can you throw a sword?' is actually a viable myth in its own right, as there are a fair number of examples in various films and to a lesser extent TV shows where someone throws a sword into a wall or person and it sticks in point first. I even think I've seen one example of someone throwing a sword under someone's feet so they could stand on it. There are also examples of people throwing axes that were clearly not designed as throwing axes, and countless occasions of people doing the same with knives of different types. That might be a good myth there, as the start would be bringing in someone to teach the guys how to throw knives. Then move on to trying to throw knives that were not intended to be thrown and then moving onto axes and swords - 'Hey, a sword is just a long knife so it should be just as easy to throw. Right?'. and, as I alluded to, earlier, there is the question of whether it gets thrown end over end, or like a spear. or whether - and there is a technique to it - throwing like it is going to go end over end, but giving it a release that cancels the rotation. as for "intended to be thrown" and "not intended to be thrown" the difference is axis and how fast it naturally rotates. the biggest key to throwing a weapon is controlling the rotation. ideally it makes 1/2 to 1 rotation after release (depending on whether you grip it by the haft or by the cutting tip) |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 7, 2018 18:57:33 GMT
Actually, there *are* people who can throw axes, and axes specifically designed for that purpose. So that might be something to look at, too.
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Post by the light works on Jul 7, 2018 21:56:25 GMT
the sciency factors I see are:
how much energy does it take to impale the victim?
how much energy is lost going through the windshield?
how much energy can it be thrown with?
will the blade survive piercing the windshield?
how perpendicularly does it have to hit the glass to penetrate?
I'm thinking chicken gun for this.
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Post by ironhold on Dec 26, 2018 2:59:42 GMT
This one's from the new Aquaman movie.
And no, it's not a spoiler.
In one scene, Aquaman and Mera are on a small fishing boat when they're attacked by sea monsters. When they realize that they can't defend the ship, they dive overboard.
...With Aquaman holding lit flares as he does so to guide them in the dark of the water. When these flares go out, he strikes another one underwater.
Are there actually flares capable of doing this?
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