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Post by ponytail61 on Jan 3, 2014 2:10:37 GMT
Loki, I will have to ask some of the Safety Engineering guys I work with when I go back to work on Monday. I'm not familiar with DoT rules for energetics travelling on public roads. That isn't something I have work on. Just moving stuff around one it is onsite. Found this from Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. No mention of schools directly. "A motor vehicle containing hazardous materials must not be parked : On or within 5 feet of the traveled portion of a public street or highway Within 300 feet of a bridge, tunnel, dwelling or place where people work, congregate or assemble, except when the necessities of operation make it impracticable to park in any other place A vehicle carrying hazardous materials shall operate over routes which do not go through or near heavily populated areas, places where crowds are assembled, tunnels, narrow streets or alleys, except where the motor carrier determines that: There is no practicable alternative A reasonable deviation is necessary to reach terminals, points of loading and unloading, facilities for food, fuel, repairs, rest or a safe haven A reasonable deviation is required by emergency conditions"
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Post by the light works on Jan 3, 2014 6:18:00 GMT
Loki, I will have to ask some of the Safety Engineering guys I work with when I go back to work on Monday. I'm not familiar with DoT rules for energetics travelling on public roads. That isn't something I have work on. Just moving stuff around one it is onsite. Found this from Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. No mention of schools directly. "A motor vehicle containing hazardous materials must not be parked : On or within 5 feet of the traveled portion of a public street or highway Within 300 feet of a bridge, tunnel, dwelling or place where people work, congregate or assemble, except when the necessities of operation make it impracticable to park in any other place A vehicle carrying hazardous materials shall operate over routes which do not go through or near heavily populated areas, places where crowds are assembled, tunnels, narrow streets or alleys, except where the motor carrier determines that: There is no practicable alternative A reasonable deviation is necessary to reach terminals, points of loading and unloading, facilities for food, fuel, repairs, rest or a safe haven A reasonable deviation is required by emergency conditions" also, a breakdown probably counts as an emergency condition.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 4, 2014 10:42:25 GMT
Depends on the vehicle and where. If on flat ground in my car, I know that the hand-brake will hold very tightly to the rear brakes, it aint moving.
If on a hill, or a vehicle where I dont trust the hand-brake, I engage a gear, 1st or reverse dependant on slope, and turn the wheels to the kerb.
In the works trucks, our air-brake systems engage all the brakes on the hand-brake, so that is enough.... Seriously, if a 44 ton starts rolling with the hand-brake engaged, you have severe problems anyway....
We dont have that in UK.. Mostly Its just "Drive"........ But then again, our cars have evolved that way.
I know the UK rules. If an alternative route is available,** you MUST use it. Route planning dangerous goods is to avoid all built up areas as much as possible, and if that means you go around all-the-way-around an entire city, so be it... Or get an escort... Depends on the load, of course, but high explosives definitely must avoid all habitation as much as possible...
Schools, you do NOT pass. Sod "breakdown", you dont even drive on the same road as them.
If you do have a problem, and need to stop, within half a mile of your vehicle, it could be an evacuation order. This is now time for the TREM card, Transport Emergency, it may have a different name now, but we all call it the TREM. On that is all the phone numbers you will need for all parts of the route, its kept in the cab, just behind the drivers head, at all times, except in emergency... If you have a breakdown, you call numbers to advise them on the situation. Dependant on the volatility of the load, they either arrange a tow or an evacuation.
Some loads can not be towed. Especially those that need the power of the engine to contain the load.
Its also a requirement that the driver of the tow vehicle must also hold an ADR dangerous goods licence that covers the actual class of dangerous goods... not many ADR licence holders have High explosives or nuclear.
Needless to say, Hazardous loads get the very best of vehicles, you have to be sure the vehicle will finish the trip before you start.
**available, be sensible, a one-track gravel road (Goat track) up a thousand feet of mountain is not 'available' to a 40 toner...
In the UK, its just that... nothing else.... You take your rest breaks in designated areas, but otherwise, you do not park up at all. If you cant get there in one day, or to a designated storage depot, you arrange a driver hand over, or source alternative methods of transport. "Park up" in civie street just doesn't happen.
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Post by ironhold on Jan 5, 2014 22:16:56 GMT
I was driving home from church earlier, and a semi a few car lengths up the highway from me was laying its own smokescreen.
Due to how windy it was, I couldn't tell if it was all coming out of the right stack and blowing all over or if it was coming out of both stacks.
Either way, it was the kind of thick, white smoke you get when an engine is burning oil. The driver really needs to get that rig in for service.
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Post by the light works on Jan 5, 2014 23:32:32 GMT
I was driving home from church earlier, and a semi a few car lengths up the highway from me was laying its own smokescreen. Due to how windy it was, I couldn't tell if it was all coming out of the right stack and blowing all over or if it was coming out of both stacks. Either way, it was the kind of thick, white smoke you get when an engine is burning oil. The driver really needs to get that rig in for service. could have been blowing water, too. we see cars leaving a plume, here, on occasion, but its pretty rare to see a commercial vehicle doing it.
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2014 15:02:31 GMT
Mrs TLW was watching a weather channel special on "weather disasters" yesterday. one of the featured incidents was a thaw-freeze cycle was a steep hill covered in a sheet of ice. when unprepared drivers crested the hill, they found themselves descending the other side whether they wanted to or not, accompanied by the predictable banging into the ones who had crested the hill before.
now, I'm not saying that being caught by surprise by an icy hill is necessarily particularly foolish. Some drivers were bailing out of their cars while they were still in motion. as you might predict, this resulted in squishy soft humans sliding uncontrollably down the hill along with big heavy metal cars.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 6, 2014 21:24:13 GMT
I'd stay in the vehicle and take my chances with seatbelts, airbags and stuff to grab onto any day!
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Post by the light works on Jan 6, 2014 23:41:05 GMT
I'd stay in the vehicle and take my chances with seatbelts, airbags and stuff to grab onto any day! considering they really didn't have enough kinetic energy to do much damage to the other cars; but plenty of pressure to slowly squish a human...
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 7, 2014 0:36:20 GMT
I'd stay in the vehicle and take my chances with seatbelts, airbags and stuff to grab onto any day! considering they really didn't have enough kinetic energy to do much damage to the other cars; but plenty of pressure to slowly squish a human... ...and you have the ingredients for several Darwin Award nominees.
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Post by User Unavailable on Jan 7, 2014 1:14:48 GMT
I was driving home from church earlier, and a semi a few car lengths up the highway from me was laying its own smokescreen. Due to how windy it was, I couldn't tell if it was all coming out of the right stack and blowing all over or if it was coming out of both stacks. Either way, it was the kind of thick, white smoke you get when an engine is burning oil. The driver really needs to get that rig in for service. White smoke on a diesel is usually from raw unburned fuel making it into the hot exhaust or by water/coolant being burned in combustion chamber(s). Blue/gray/blue gray smoke is from burning oil. But, yeah, he needs to get the engine serviced.
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Post by alabastersandman on Jan 7, 2014 2:39:44 GMT
Went to the Woodcraft store to get a piece of Hard Maple for a project I'm working on. Someone in the car ahead of me, in the passing lane, was driving the same speed as the car in the outside lane. After a few minutes it was obvious he was not concerned about blocking traffic. I flashed my brights on and then off in an attempt to get him/her a clue to lead follow or get out of the way. After a few miles they finally moved ahead far enough to get over. But did they get over? No, they didn't. They stayed in the left lane so I pulled over into the right lane to pass. Next thing I know I got some retard driving over into my lane trying to run me off the road. I nailed the throttle to get up beside them, to keep them from being able to close my lane off any more. Then the idiot actually ran into my car. I headed for an exit and they got behind me to follow me up the exit. Not in the mood for hand to hand combat on the side of the road, I moved over and slammed on my brakes, causing them to go ahead of me. I paced myself so that once the got too far into the exit to turn back off, I bolted back onto the expressway and lost them. Next thing I know I'm at home and a cop come to my door. Now I have to appear in court for passing this vile person on the right, as well as leaving the scene of an "accident". I tried to explain that I was not in the mood for hand to hand combat on the side of the road, but he wasn't interested. Now I'm the bad guy. you didn't think to call the police and report the incident at your earliest convenience? Nope! I had diffused the situation by losing them on the off ramp. Never been one to feel the need to call the police, so I can wait around for them to wander along at some later point in time. Once the situation is diffused, there is little need for police. As far as a couple scrapes on the side of the car is concerned, someone clipped my wife, broke the mirror and already scraped up the side of the car. Already had a police report for that because she reported it, seemed redundant. The trooper says he watched a "tape", I called him requesting to see this alleged "tape" myself before the court date. Don't know if there is actually a "tape" or not, but if there is I want to see it. I'm certain that "tape" shows nothing I have to be worried about.
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 7, 2014 4:33:32 GMT
I dunno, whether you're right or wrong, not pulling over to exchange info is a bad idea. Getting a police report will usually help with your insurance, as well.
If you're concerned about violence, at least go to the nearest police station and make a report.
Ditching them can look like the action of a guilty person to a judge. I'm not saying you are, but the other person is probably going to say you were the maniac that tried to kill them, then ran away.
If there's a tape, you may be vindicated, but not reporting is still a violation. Besides, cops will lie that "there's a tape", hoping you will confess to a misdeed. Even if you're in the right, making statements in a situation like this should be done with legal guidance.
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Post by the light works on Jan 7, 2014 7:28:39 GMT
you didn't think to call the police and report the incident at your earliest convenience? Nope! I had diffused the situation by losing them on the off ramp. Never been one to feel the need to call the police, so I can wait around for them to wander along at some later point in time. Once the situation is diffused, there is little need for police. As far as a couple scrapes on the side of the car is concerned, someone clipped my wife, broke the mirror and already scraped up the side of the car. Already had a police report for that because she reported it, seemed redundant. The trooper says he watched a "tape", I called him requesting to see this alleged "tape" myself before the court date. Don't know if there is actually a "tape" or not, but if there is I want to see it. I'm certain that "tape" shows nothing I have to be worried about. yeah... about 15 years ago, I had a couple kids stop in front of me; and they swore the damage was inconsequential and all was okay, and we didn't need to exchange information. about a month later I got a claim filed against me the only saving grace was I hadn't washed my car, and so I was able to take it to their insurance adjustor and let him photograph the marks in the dirt on my front bumper.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jan 7, 2014 13:46:03 GMT
you didn't think to call the police and report the incident at your earliest convenience? Nope! I had diffused the situation by losing them on the off ramp. Never been one to feel the need to call the police, so I can wait around for them to wander along at some later point in time. Once the situation is diffused, there is little need for police. As far as a couple scrapes on the side of the car is concerned, someone clipped my wife, broke the mirror and already scraped up the side of the car. Already had a police report for that because she reported it, seemed redundant. The trooper says he watched a "tape", I called him requesting to see this alleged "tape" myself before the court date. Don't know if there is actually a "tape" or not, but if there is I want to see it. I'm certain that "tape" shows nothing I have to be worried about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the idiot hit you, not the other way around. So, technically, the accident was caused by the idiot and, technically, you did pull over when you felt it was safe, and, technically, the idiot kept going meaning the idiot evaded the scene of an accident.
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Post by the light works on Jan 7, 2014 14:47:49 GMT
Nope! I had diffused the situation by losing them on the off ramp. Never been one to feel the need to call the police, so I can wait around for them to wander along at some later point in time. Once the situation is diffused, there is little need for police. As far as a couple scrapes on the side of the car is concerned, someone clipped my wife, broke the mirror and already scraped up the side of the car. Already had a police report for that because she reported it, seemed redundant. The trooper says he watched a "tape", I called him requesting to see this alleged "tape" myself before the court date. Don't know if there is actually a "tape" or not, but if there is I want to see it. I'm certain that "tape" shows nothing I have to be worried about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the idiot hit you, not the other way around. So, technically, the accident was caused by the idiot and, technically, you did pull over when you felt it was safe, and, technically, the idiot kept going meaning the idiot evaded the scene of an accident. Technically, Alabaster left the scene to avoid contact with the driver of the other vehicle. In this case, it may very well have been justified, but the law lives on technicalities.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 7, 2014 23:48:34 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the idiot hit you, not the other way around. So, technically, the accident was caused by the idiot and, technically, you did pull over when you felt it was safe, and, technically, the idiot kept going meaning the idiot evaded the scene of an accident. Technically, Alabaster left the scene to avoid contact with the driver of the other vehicle. In this case, it may very well have been justified, but the law lives on technicalities. Technically, you could argue either way, unless his initial statement to the police reflected your version. Then that ship has sailed.
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Post by wvengineer on Jan 8, 2014 0:17:28 GMT
Back when I was in college, I went home for the weekend and was driving back to school with my two sisters. On the interstate, I go to change lanes, only to find that another car was riding in my blind spot. I don't see them until they blow their horn. We manage to not hit and go on their way. This person start messing with me. They would get in front of me and slam their brakes, refuse to let me pass, See a slow car/truck in one lane and then get in the old lane and match speeds to prevent me from getting around them. This went on for 20 miles. I get off the free-way and they start following me though town. They even copy me when I make U-turn in a McNope's Parking lot. Best thing I can think of is to pull up to my dorm building because it was the nearest well lit area with lots of people.
Once parked, we run in and have the RA's call campus police. Driver is STILL stalking us. School cops may drive minivans, but they have arresting power. The campus police are there in a few minutes and quickly take reports. My sisters corroborate my story. Lady in the other car claims that she is pregnant and that makes her do this sort of stuff. Police give me the option to press charges, but I told them that I wouldn't as long as I never see that woman again in my life. They were happy to oblige.
My room mate suggested in such a condition where they are ahead of you on the interstate, to overshoot your intended exit by one exit, then drive back as much as you can. Let them pass the exit and then you take the exit at the last possible moment before without going into the median. Then you go get back on the interstate in the opposite direction. In theory, they will not be able to take the exit. They will be forced to keep going, or pull some really stupid driving to get back on you. If they wreck, it better you than them. Ether way, it gives you time to loose them.
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Post by the light works on Jan 8, 2014 2:07:33 GMT
many years back, I saw a driver tailgating a car that appeared form the distance I was at, to be operated by two young females. on occasion, the tailgater would pull up alongside the car, and then drop back and begin tailgating again. (when there was a gap in the next lane that allowed it.) I waited for this, and then nosed up behind the car. when he tried to wedge back in behind them, I simply tightened the gap to prevent it, then dropped back when traffic in the other lane forced him to fall behind. not sure he was up to something bad - but I certainly stopped him from it.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jan 8, 2014 15:07:59 GMT
A few years ago, a friend of mine (female) was being tailed by a pickup being driven by a male. She ran a red light in front of the local police precinct house and whipped into their parking lot, and got an immediate response . (And no ticket, once she'd explained why she ran the red light.)
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 10, 2014 11:13:30 GMT
Tailgating my truck.... about ten years back if I remember... Its empty.... the car behind is too close... I flash brake lights to give a certain message?... I can just about see his rear bumper in my mirrors. Result?... he closes the gap.
There is plenty of space to overtake, he is just being a twerp?.. a Plonka at the top of his trade....
I brake sharply for a "Sudden sheep".... Clunk..... I drive onwards, he doesnt.
And if anyone asks, that sheep shot away soooo fast I thought Adam and Jamie were doing a JATO rocket test with it?... OK?..... it may have been a large dog?... or a small Cow?.. And no, I didnt see any vehicle behind me at all. The Clunk?... I thought that was just the Trailer coming to rest after jumping about a bit.... The defence rests.
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