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Post by the light works on Nov 14, 2013 1:48:57 GMT
one of my co-workers and I were discussing the future of housing technology, and the migration of conversation went form houses with nanotech paint so you could change colors without repainting. the next suggestion wa that since it was nanotech, you should be able to just open the can and tell it where to spread itself. the logical conclusion to that was to build the whole house out of nanobots. the advantage would be that you could deliver the house in trucks and remodel it with a laptop. the disadvantage would be hackers.
so what would be the best way to build a house out of nanotech, assuming you could have some form of secure encryption? would it be possible to have a universal nanite that could build a complete home?
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 14, 2013 18:22:58 GMT
You might want to read up on what nanotechnology is and can do.
The answer would be theoretically possible, but utterly impractical. After all Nanotechnology by definition works on the atomic scale, and still requires that you have material to work with (unless you intended to live in a house that sits at the bottom of a crater.) So it would be faster and more efficient to stick with more conventional building technologies. (This also leaves out what would happen if it rained and washed all the machines away...They are also not programmed like a computer nor can they be reprogrammed. Think of them more like a man-made bacteria with limited functions than a tiny terminator.)
Nanotechnology is useful in creating new materials, or improving existing ones, along with medical applications. But is not really suited to making large items itself. So it might be ideal for, say, making a better brick or window pane. But not in making the rest of the house.
*Edit*
This seems more suited to the Oracles engineering questions board, so I've moved it there.
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Post by the light works on Nov 14, 2013 18:55:41 GMT
You might want to read up on what nanotechnology is and can do. The answer would be theoretically possible, but utterly impractical. After all Nanotechnology by definition works on the atomic scale, and still requires that you have material to work with (unless you intended to live in a house that sits at the bottom of a crater.) So it would be faster and more efficient to stick with more conventional building technologies. (This also leaves out what would happen if it rained and washed all the machines away...They are also not programmed like a computer nor can they be reprogrammed. Think of them more like a man-made bacteria with limited functions than a tiny terminator.) Nanotechnology is useful in creating new materials, or improving existing ones, along with medical applications. But is not really suited to making large items itself. So it might be ideal for, say, making a better brick or window pane. But not in making the rest of the house. *Edit* This seems more suited to the Oracles engineering questions board, so I've moved it there. well, certainly it wouldn't be PRACTICAL. and the nanites were to BE the building material. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 20, 2013 9:59:37 GMT
I suggest thinking of the nano-bots building using other materials.
If you could just supply raw materials and let the bots do the building...
Say a pile of sand, cement and ballast and let the nano technology mix and use as required.....
As you suggest, deliver the stuff in trucks, dump it, and let them get on with it.
If the nano bots could be programmed to take the raw materials of plastic and make drain pipes, why cant they do that "On site", on the side of the house, or even IN the side of the house, incorporating the pipework into the walls.....
Heck, the pipework could then be structural?....
Just one example of how you may have to rethink building.
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Post by the light works on Nov 20, 2013 16:50:17 GMT
I suggest thinking of the nano-bots building using other materials. If you could just supply raw materials and let the bots do the building... Say a pile of sand, cement and ballast and let the nano technology mix and use as required..... As you suggest, deliver the stuff in trucks, dump it, and let them get on with it. If the nano bots could be programmed to take the raw materials of plastic and make drain pipes, why cant they do that "On site", on the side of the house, or even IN the side of the house, incorporating the pipework into the walls..... Heck, the pipework could then be structural?.... Just one example of how you may have to rethink building. but then you couldn't reprogram the bathroom to have the toilet on the other side. or as one of our original comments "Junior, stop deleting your little brother's door" |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 21, 2013 8:03:15 GMT
So whats to stop you having nano-bots that can de-construct.
One of the beauties of nanotechnology is the ability to change what you have.
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Post by the light works on Nov 21, 2013 14:47:30 GMT
So whats to stop you having nano-bots that can de-construct. One of the beauties of nanotechnology is the ability to change what you have. the fact that it is not as entertaining to think about. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 22, 2013 8:42:32 GMT
What is not entertainiing about sending Nano-tec to do stuff for you?...
Leaking roof?... ask the nano-bytes.
Need a new plug socket?... just ask....
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Post by the light works on Nov 22, 2013 15:00:51 GMT
What is not entertainiing about sending Nano-tec to do stuff for you?... Leaking roof?... ask the nano-bytes. Need a new plug socket?... just ask.... right, and since your house is built from a universal nanite, you just hold the plug up to a wall and a receptacle forms to accept it. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 22, 2013 15:31:08 GMT
Nano-machines have limited 'memory' and capabilities due to their size. Because of this I think what you really are talking about here are less 'nano' and more 'micro', as in much larger machines who's constituent parts would be nano-scaled.
In terms of complexity, cost and practicality you'd be better off with 'micro' or even macro sized machines or 'blocks' that you could reconfigure as needed.
The idea of a self repairing or self altering house sounds nice in theory. But does beg the question as to where you get the additional materials from? Energy probably wouldn't be a problem, the machines could draw energy from sun light or even from the heat inside the house itself. But materials are a different matter - just think how much matter you'd need to create a single wall from and ask where you would get that from. Either you have to bring in the materials from outside - which does kind of beg the question as to why you don't just save yourself a lot of potential problems and money by using conventional building materials to start with. Or the machines will take materials from whatever they have access to - meaning that in the best case scenario you discover that the machines have 'eaten' all the furnishings to make the new wall. While in the worst case you realise that they 'ate' the ground your house is sitting on around the same time the side of the house falls into the hole.
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Post by the light works on Nov 22, 2013 16:00:46 GMT
Nano-machines have limited 'memory' and capabilities due to their size. Because of this I think what you really are talking about here are less 'nano' and more 'micro', as in much larger machines who's constituent parts would be nano-scaled. In terms of complexity, cost and practicality you'd be better off with 'micro' or even macro sized machines or 'blocks' that you could reconfigure as needed. The idea of a self repairing or self altering house sounds nice in theory. But does beg the question as to where you get the additional materials from? Energy probably wouldn't be a problem, the machines could draw energy from sun light or even from the heat inside the house itself. But materials are a different matter - just think how much matter you'd need to create a single wall from and ask where you would get that from. Either you have to bring in the materials from outside - which does kind of beg the question as to why you don't just save yourself a lot of potential problems and money by using conventional building materials to start with. Or the machines will take materials from whatever they have access to - meaning that in the best case scenario you discover that the machines have 'eaten' all the furnishings to make the new wall. While in the worst case you realise that they 'ate' the ground your house is sitting on around the same time the side of the house falls into the hole. yes, micro would probably be a better scale to work with; and you would probably still have to create a "hive" processing system to develop the computing power to accomplish it. but no, this is not something I expect to EVER be a cost effective building system - barring the development Star Trek level matter/energy management technology - at which point it will be obsolete. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Nov 22, 2013 18:28:14 GMT
It might be cost effective for emergency housing or buildings after disasters that level existing structures.
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Post by the light works on Nov 23, 2013 7:30:37 GMT
It might be cost effective for emergency housing or buildings after disasters that level existing structures. perhaps a nano/microbot recycling system that reprocesses wreckage for emergency shelters. the catch would be making it selective enough on what was wreckage and what wasn't. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 23, 2013 9:42:23 GMT
Nope...
NANO-... as in incredibly small.
I am suggesting that on the nanite scale, here is a pile of scraps, there [points to wall] There is a good "Site", use these scraps and build a plug socket from scratch in that wall.
Nanite would then in the same ways ants work, transport scraps from "Bunker" to wall and build from scratch.
I do not sugfgest building the house from Nanite, rather that the nanites build the house from conventional materials in small quantities from a central "Bunker" of spares.
That bunker could be re-filled with household waste etc?....
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Post by the light works on Nov 23, 2013 12:52:46 GMT
Nope... NANO-... as in incredibly small. I am suggesting that on the nanite scale, here is a pile of scraps, there [points to wall] There is a good "Site", use these scraps and build a plug socket from scratch in that wall. Nanite would then in the same ways ants work, transport scraps from "Bunker" to wall and build from scratch. I do not sugfgest building the house from Nanite, rather that the nanites build the house from conventional materials in small quantities from a central "Bunker" of spares. That bunker could be re-filled with household waste etc?.... and I am suggesting the nanite so there is no bunker unless you wish to expand the house in which case you truck in more nanites. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 24, 2013 11:02:10 GMT
JUST nanites...
The whole house would be nanite?...
Expensive?
And what happens when a passing taxi sends out a bogus signal that says "We want to be a ship".....
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Post by the light works on Nov 24, 2013 15:40:49 GMT
JUST nanites... The whole house would be nanite?... Expensive? And what happens when a passing taxi sends out a bogus signal that says "We want to be a ship"..... we would call that "being hacked"  |
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Post by OziRiS on Nov 25, 2013 15:04:07 GMT
JUST nanites... The whole house would be nanite?... Expensive? And what happens when a passing taxi sends out a bogus signal that says "We want to be a ship"..... we would call that "being hacked" And then you'd suddenly be living on a house boat. In the middle of the city...  |
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Post by the light works on Nov 25, 2013 15:09:38 GMT
we would call that "being hacked" And then you'd suddenly be living on a house boat. In the middle of the city... until the next hacker came along. |
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Post by silverdragon on Nov 26, 2013 7:26:40 GMT
Tsunami proof?....
Sometimes the great idea come from not thinking responsibly.
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