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Post by the light works on Jan 16, 2014 16:15:41 GMT
for year, I have griped about daylight saving time; including stories about the indian who cut a piece off the foot of his blanket and sewed it onto the head to make it longer; and referring to it as the "daylight tax" (the government withholds an hour from you in the spring, and returns it to you in the fall, telling you they gave you something)
but, really, is there any real benefit to shuffling the clocks? Does having more daylight to watch TV in the evening really compensate for having less in the morning when you need to wake up?
obviously, this isn't really testable except to check electricity usage in the weeks before and after the changes; and that ignores any hidden costs.
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 18, 2014 11:11:26 GMT
I will get to the "It makes the journey to school in the mornings safer" crud thats trotted out....
No it (beep) well doesnt.
Not everyone has Kids.
So, we are altering reality to suit the minority?....
And this helps how?...
If there is a problem with the time that school starts, well, just change school hours.
I am sure that parents who have kids will not mind an hours difference.
Especially when shifting the time the kids start to an hour later, making note that that hour will then be AFTER the rush hour of people getting to work, may actually make the journey safer?...
Just why is it that schools HAVE to start when getting them there is through the busiest time on the roads anyway?....
As for those who drop their kids off on their way to work, is it absolutely necessary that YOU have to be there at that time?...
If we all got into a more flexible attitude to working, the Rush Hour would not be so traumatic.
Conversation I had, "It HAS to be there at exactly 9 o'clock...."
Before nine, or around nine?.. just after nine ok?...
No, EXACTLY nine o'clock.....
Give the job to someone else.
I will not work to such pressures... driving heavy goods is hard enough without some ijurt giving you penalties for missing 30 seconds.
I just cant care that much?....
If its get it there before nine, as in any time after 8, I can work with that, as long as the journey time is reasonable and makes allowances for delays.
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Post by the light works on Jan 18, 2014 14:26:44 GMT
I will get to the "It makes the journey to school in the mornings safer" crud thats trotted out.... No it (beep) well doesnt. Not everyone has Kids. So, we are altering reality to suit the minority?.... And this helps how?... If there is a problem with the time that school starts, well, just change school hours. I am sure that parents who have kids will not mind an hours difference. Especially when shifting the time the kids start to an hour later, making note that that hour will then be AFTER the rush hour of people getting to work, may actually make the journey safer?... Just why is it that schools HAVE to start when getting them there is through the busiest time on the roads anyway?.... As for those who drop their kids off on their way to work, is it absolutely necessary that YOU have to be there at that time?... If we all got into a more flexible attitude to working, the Rush Hour would not be so traumatic. Conversation I had, "It HAS to be there at exactly 9 o'clock...." Before nine, or around nine?.. just after nine ok?... No, EXACTLY nine o'clock..... Give the job to someone else. I will not work to such pressures... driving heavy goods is hard enough without some ijurt giving you penalties for missing 30 seconds. I just cant care that much?.... If its get it there before nine, as in any time after 8, I can work with that, as long as the journey time is reasonable and makes allowances for delays. let me be sure I understand this right: making sunrise come later in the morning, so the children spend more of the school year going to school in the dark; makes them SAFER??? I have a great idea - let's make Truck drivers safer by requiring them to wear clothing that matches the color of their truck. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 18, 2014 14:28:19 GMT
"get it there at 9" should also be acceptable if there is reasonable time to do so. just pull up and park across the street from the delivery point until the clock strikes.
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 19, 2014 9:03:10 GMT
I will get to the "It makes the journey to school in the mornings safer" crud thats trotted out.... No it (beep) well doesnt. Not everyone has Kids. So, we are altering reality to suit the minority?.... And this helps how?... If there is a problem with the time that school starts, well, just change school hours. I am sure that parents who have kids will not mind an hours difference. Especially when shifting the time the kids start to an hour later, making note that that hour will then be AFTER the rush hour of people getting to work, may actually make the journey safer?... Just why is it that schools HAVE to start when getting them there is through the busiest time on the roads anyway?.... As for those who drop their kids off on their way to work, is it absolutely necessary that YOU have to be there at that time?... If we all got into a more flexible attitude to working, the Rush Hour would not be so traumatic. Conversation I had, "It HAS to be there at exactly 9 o'clock...." Before nine, or around nine?.. just after nine ok?... No, EXACTLY nine o'clock..... Give the job to someone else. I will not work to such pressures... driving heavy goods is hard enough without some ijurt giving you penalties for missing 30 seconds. I just cant care that much?.... If its get it there before nine, as in any time after 8, I can work with that, as long as the journey time is reasonable and makes allowances for delays. let me be sure I understand this right: making sunrise come later in the morning, so the children spend more of the school year going to school in the dark; makes them SAFER??? I have a great idea - let's make Truck drivers safer by requiring them to wear clothing that matches the color of their truck. Indeed. Just before dawn, I'm told, is when human's circadian cycle usually is at its worst in terms of alertness. Not a good thing for driving. And I can speak from experience. I had to walk to school with a flashlight back in the 70s. It wasn't a good thing. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 19, 2014 10:11:59 GMT
I had a sister who hated the fact I was her Brother....
Swap you any time you want.
My sister wanted to be an Only child, long after I was old enough to be hurt by her words, used to tell me she never wanted me around in the first place....
NO SYMPATHY please.
That would imply she had won something.
I now tell people I dont have a sister any more, I have disowned her.
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Post by the light works on Jan 19, 2014 14:58:11 GMT
I had a sister who hated the fact I was her Brother.... Swap you any time you want. My sister wanted to be an Only child, long after I was old enough to be hurt by her words, used to tell me she never wanted me around in the first place.... NO SYMPATHY please. That would imply she had won something. I now tell people I dont have a sister any more, I have disowned her. then it is too bad for her that your parents felt they could do better than her, isn't it?  |
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 19, 2014 18:07:14 GMT
I had a sister who hated the fact I was her Brother.... Swap you any time you want. My sister wanted to be an Only child, long after I was old enough to be hurt by her words, used to tell me she never wanted me around in the first place.... NO SYMPATHY please. That would imply she had won something. I now tell people I dont have a sister any more, I have disowned her. Sorry about your family but I honestly don't see how that relates to DST. Maybe I was being I was too subtle--and forgetting not everyone in the world knew what happened here back then: Back in the 70s, during the oil crisis, they played with the clocks one year making it necessary for ALL children to start school before sunrise. In fact, every business in the US that started at 8 in the morning did so in darkness. This claimed to save energy. As a professional driver, I could give you a choice: Start in the morning when the sun is up and you don't need headlights, or drive in the dark through streets loaded with sleepy children who have only the vaguest concern for their own safety (they're kids, after all). My point is that putting kids on the street in the dark at any time is something to be avoided. |
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Post by the light works on Jan 19, 2014 22:51:32 GMT
I had a sister who hated the fact I was her Brother.... Swap you any time you want. My sister wanted to be an Only child, long after I was old enough to be hurt by her words, used to tell me she never wanted me around in the first place.... NO SYMPATHY please. That would imply she had won something. I now tell people I dont have a sister any more, I have disowned her. Sorry about your family but I honestly don't see how that relates to DST. Maybe I was being I was too subtle--and forgetting not everyone in the world knew what happened here back then: Back in the 70s, during the oil crisis, they played with the clocks one year making it necessary for ALL children to start school before sunrise. In fact, every business in the US that started at 8 in the morning did so in darkness. This claimed to save energy. As a professional driver, I could give you a choice: Start in the morning when the sun is up and you don't need headlights, or drive in the dark through streets loaded with sleepy children who have only the vaguest concern for their own safety (they're kids, after all). My point is that putting kids on the street in the dark at any time is something to be avoided. I would be inclined to phrase it "only the vaguest comprehension" |
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Post by silverdragon on Jan 20, 2014 8:01:49 GMT
When I was too young to walk to school on my own, in the dark, she created a "Fuss" that she had to walk to the same school with me...
Yes, you know you have a good family when your own older sister disowns you in the playground?...
Dont apologise by the way, she isnt anyone elses fault but her own.
She thinks having a University degree makes her somewhat "Better" than I am?...
Erm... no.
I have several professional qualifications , that include a Degree in Computer Programming, unfortunately now out of date, but she lost on that score.
DST, if it is truly for Schools, then get the schools to adopt it, but leave the rest of us alone?....
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 20, 2014 8:14:10 GMT
Actually, now that I think about it (and looked it up), the thing was they extended DST for 18 months, causing the problem. If they left it alone, it wouldn't have been an issue with the schools (except possibly in Alaska, but that's a special case). Is it normal for kids to walk to school in the UK when it's dark?  I'm genuinely surprised--but then again, you are more north than most of the US, aren't you? |
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Post by mrfatso on Jan 20, 2014 15:23:19 GMT
Apart from Alaska yes, London is at 51 degrees North, Aberdeen in Scotland 57, compared to say Seattle at 47 degrees North.
Couple that with the fact that the school day normally finishes at about 3.30 to 4.00pm and many School children are going home during winter when it is dusk certainly for large parts of the Winter months and into true Darkness.
However for instance in the Summer month of June and July we never get true Darkness, but are in a state called Nautical Twilight or Astronomical Twilight , depending on how far North you live, for the whole night.
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Post by OziRiS on Jan 21, 2014 0:41:42 GMT
Is it normal for kids to walk to school in the UK when it's dark? I'm genuinely surprised--but then again, you are more north than most of the US, aren't you? Yup. Denmark is an hour's flight due east of the UK and at the moment my kid is walking to school in the dark. By the time he starts to walk home again around 3-4 pm it's usually dusk, so he spends pretty much all his hours of daylight trapped in a classroom. That's healthy! Same goes for the rest of us. Go to work at 7 am in the dark, get off at around 3-4 pm and before we're home, it's dark again. And the medical community here wonders why there are so many people with winter depressions... |
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Post by Lokifan on Jan 21, 2014 1:08:05 GMT
Okay, that explains it.
Even on the Winter Solstice, sunrise is 8 AM and sunset is about 5. Kids never have to go to/from school in darkness in the contiguous states, unless someone mucks about with the clocks.
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Post by the light works on Jan 21, 2014 4:27:58 GMT
Okay, that explains it. Even on the Winter Solstice, sunrise is 8 AM and sunset is about 5. Kids never have to go to/from school in darkness in the contiguous states, unless someone mucks about with the clocks. here on the 45th parallel, I think we're currently having daylight, from around 8:30-4:00. |
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Post by kharnynb on Apr 1, 2014 21:50:04 GMT
Dst is very nice around this time, so i can walk the dog after dinner when it's still light ;D
Other than that, it really doesn't affect me.
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Post by the light works on Apr 2, 2014 1:56:48 GMT
Dst is very nice around this time, so i can walk the dog after dinner when it's still light ;D Other than that, it really doesn't affect me. here, I can walk the dog after bedtime, but I have to turn a light on to see breakfast. |
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Post by OziRiS on Apr 2, 2014 11:27:02 GMT
I never got the whole idea behind DST... It's supposed to save power, but even though we just set our clocks forward one hour, sunrise is still way before most people wake up and sunset is way after most people have eaten dinner and are in their living rooms watching TV. So who's saving anything on this? Streetlights still have to be on for all the dark hours. Changing when it's dark doesn't change how many hours it's dark for, so there's no gain there.
And to be honest, with all the electronics we have these days and with the old incandescent light bulbs being changed to the new power saving types, how much of our power consumption actually goes into lights anyway? Can't be much compared to washing machines, dishwashers, electric kitchen appliances, computers, TVs and all the other crap we plug into the wall sockets.
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Post by the light works on Apr 2, 2014 14:26:24 GMT
I never got the whole idea behind DST... It's supposed to save power, but even though we just set our clocks forward one hour, sunrise is still way before most people wake up and sunset is way after most people have eaten dinner and are in their living rooms watching TV. So who's saving anything on this? Streetlights still have to be on for all the dark hours. Changing when it's dark doesn't change how many hours it's dark for, so there's no gain there. And to be honest, with all the electronics we have these days and with the old incandescent light bulbs being changed to the new power saving types, how much of our power consumption actually goes into lights anyway? Can't be much compared to washing machines, dishwashers, electric kitchen appliances, computers, TVs and all the other crap we plug into the wall sockets. I believe it was poorly thought through from the get-go. they only thought about people staying up late after dinner and never considered those who are up early. - maybe the former outnumber the latter, but that doesn't help ME any. |
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Post by OziRiS on Apr 3, 2014 7:25:55 GMT
As far as I can discern from the Wiki about DST ( Wiki - DST) it was concocted by some rich douches who were annoyed that they didn't have enough daylight in the summer evenings to collect butterflies and play golf. |
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I'm genuinely surprised--but then again, you are more north than most of the US, aren't you?
