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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 23, 2014 18:57:41 GMT
Ran across an interesting story that might fit the bill here, and if not would probably make a viable myth on its own.
The story goes that back in the 1930's a warning went out to housewives about not attempting to do dry cleaning at home. The reason? Apparently they were putting gasoline in washing machines.
The State Fire Marshal for California even warned against this in a short film entitled 'More dangerous than dynamite'.
So...was it? Somehow I doubt that a washing machine filled with gasoline would be more dangerous than one filled with dynamite. But then wouldn't it be fun for MB to find out...?
The film can be seen here;
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Post by User Unavailable on Feb 24, 2014 0:24:42 GMT
That video, while about the dangers of dry cleaning at home, with gasoline, had nothing at all to say about wives putting gasoline in a washing machine.
Though the video does make the point about the explosive force of gasoline vapor from a gallon of gasoline, being greater than a large quantity of dynamite.
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2014 3:52:19 GMT
I remember seeing a safety filmlet about not putting gasoline in your washing machine. not the same one, though. it didn't make comparisons to dynamite, but it did say it might catch fire.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 24, 2014 7:17:54 GMT
Either I found the wrong film, or the story I heard was a mix up between the two films.
Anyway. The claim that gasoline is more powerful than dynamite is something they could test easily, so at least we still have a myth for them to look at.
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2014 15:15:13 GMT
all my life I have heard Dynamite referred to as a universal standard of measurement for explosives. (I.E. X is as powerful as this fraction of a stick of dynamite) they could run a series of tests to determine how accurate the scale is. (I think one was an M-80 firecracker was as powerful as a quarter stick)
another story I have repeatedly heard was "trenching charges" where a person used either specific explosives or simple dynamite to skip the laborious part of digging a ditch.
(edit: to be clear, this is not about blasting rock for a trench - this is about moving dirt)
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Post by Lokifan on Feb 24, 2014 16:26:31 GMT
Along those lines, how about confirming the Viet Nam war story that the way to clear a landing zone of vegetation quickly and efficiently is to drop a large WW2 era bomb out of a helicopter, then land in the resulting crater?
I've heard about it several times, but wondered if the explosion wouldn't result in shrapnel damaging the copter.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 24, 2014 16:38:54 GMT
How would you test that Loki? They are not going to want to flatten trees or vegetation for the show, none of the places they would be allowed to conduct such a test have vegetation/trees (for obvious reasons) and no forest or timber company would let them turn a large number of their trees into splinters.
If you can think of a viable way to test the idea I'm sure MB might consider it - the risk to the helicopter could be judged simply by having a stand in (or even an old scrapped 'copter body) above/near the blast site. Its the trees that pose the problem.
First thought would be old wooden telegraph poles. But these would lack the root system of real trees and the branches that would make them top heavy and catch some of the blast.
What about running away from an explosion? It is a Hollywood staple where the good guys find the planted explosives with only a few seconds left on the thoughtfully brightly lit countdown timer. They shout, then run away and manage to get just far enough away that the resulting blast only sends them flying. But how much time would you need to get out of the range of a bomb? (Yes, I know it would depend on how powerful it was. Lets assume around a pound of C4, which is what bad guys seem to be able to buy in bulk from corner stores in Hollywood films.)
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2014 17:02:59 GMT
Along those lines, how about confirming the Viet Nam war story that the way to clear a landing zone of vegetation quickly and efficiently is to drop a large WW2 era bomb out of a helicopter, then land in the resulting crater? I've heard about it several times, but wondered if the explosion wouldn't result in shrapnel damaging the copter. from this old film, it appears the story may have been distorted - Although there was a bomb called the "daisy cutter" that they dropped a few times, which may have led to the legend - it was dropped form cargo planes, and used for deforestation at least enough times for it to be mentioned in documentaries. It would appear to be MOAB's daddy.
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Post by Lokifan on Feb 24, 2014 17:05:16 GMT
Artificial trees are a possibility. It would be one heck of a build.
Remember, we're also looking at jungle vegetation more than just trees, and such vegetation usually grows back pretty quickly. Trying it in a redwood forest wouldn't be a good simulation. I wonder if the military could help? Maybe they have a few areas for testing explosives, and if this is a real thing, they'd have to train for it somewhere.
Hollywood has to shoot those action scenes somewhere. Go there and use their jungle.
Yes, I know. Budget limitations. Maybe they could make it part of several jungle myths, and do it all in one trip (like the shark show).
Possible jungle myths:
Can you swing from the trees like Tarzan, leaping from vine to vine?
Can you build a treehouse like Swiss Family Robinson?
Yes, I know I'm going OT from this thread, but I'm trying to beat the budgetary problems.
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2014 17:08:51 GMT
Artificial trees are a possibility. It would be one heck of a build. Remember, we're also looking at jungle vegetation more than just trees, and such vegetation usually grows back pretty quickly. Trying it in a redwood forest wouldn't be a good simulation. I wonder if the military could help? Maybe they have a few areas for testing explosives, and if this is a real thing, they'd have to train for it somewhere. Hollywood has to shoot those action scenes somewhere. Go there and use their jungle. Yes, I know. Budget limitations. Maybe they could make it part of several jungle myths, and do it all in one trip (like the shark show). Possible jungle myths: Can you swing from the trees like Tarzan, leaping from vine to vine? Can you build a treehouse like Swiss Family Robinson? Yes, I know I'm going OT from this thread, but I'm trying to beat the budgetary problems. this would be a great one to do an "are explosions scalable?" topic on - they could go from tiny scale to small scale - though with the information I dug up on the daisy cutter, full scale might be out of budget.
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 24, 2014 17:31:11 GMT
Yes, I know. Budget limitations. Maybe they could make it part of several jungle myths, and do it all in one trip (like the shark show). Possible jungle myths: Can you swing from the trees like Tarzan, leaping from vine to vine? Can you build a treehouse like Swiss Family Robinson? Yes, I know I'm going OT from this thread, but I'm trying to beat the budgetary problems. I do like the idea of a 'Jungle' show - it would in some respects be a good sequel to the Duct Tape Island episode, if without the Duct Tape. The Swizz Family Robinson is not a good example. First of all they were shipwrecked on a tropical island. Second they were able to salvage a LOT of supplies and equipment from the ship - which at this date would have included nails, rope, canvas, wood ect. I don't mind some topic drift if the drift raises what could be valid show ideas. If you want to run with the idea create a new thread and see what ideas for such an episode we could come up with. Who knows, they might decide it is interesting enough to consider looking at....
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Post by the light works on Feb 24, 2014 17:46:52 GMT
Yes, I know. Budget limitations. Maybe they could make it part of several jungle myths, and do it all in one trip (like the shark show). Possible jungle myths: Can you swing from the trees like Tarzan, leaping from vine to vine? Can you build a treehouse like Swiss Family Robinson? Yes, I know I'm going OT from this thread, but I'm trying to beat the budgetary problems. I do like the idea of a 'Jungle' show - it would in some respects be a good sequel to the Duct Tape Island episode, if without the Duct Tape. The Swizz Family Robinson is not a good example. First of all they were shipwrecked on a tropical island. Second they were able to salvage a LOT of supplies and equipment from the ship - which at this date would have included nails, rope, canvas, wood ect. I don't mind some topic drift if the drift raises what could be valid show ideas. If you want to run with the idea create a new thread and see what ideas for such an episode we could come up with. Who knows, they might decide it is interesting enough to consider looking at.... a tropical island with flora and fauna from all the known landmasses and climates; if you go to the original source material. </tangent>
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Post by Cybermortis on Feb 26, 2014 14:05:56 GMT
Any more explosive myths/stories? I've been informed that they are quite interested in this, either for a special episode or so they have a nice long list they can look at from time to time. It seems that they might not have as many explosive related myths as you'd think they would (probably because they've tested so many).
*Edit*
Not sure if this classifies as an 'explosive' myth but I did run across this;
Does make you wonder how large you could make one of those...?
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Post by the light works on Feb 26, 2014 15:11:17 GMT
they could go from explosives related explosions to other forms of explosions. it used to be a common myth that if you over-revved an engine too hard, it would explode.
there are a bunch of improvised fireworks myths, like squeezing a "piccolo pete" with pliers to turn it into a firecracker - which they wouldn't do for obvious reasons.
they could do the myth of whether a firecracker will take fingers off - or a whole episode on fireworks injuries. (are wire sparklers really the most dangerous? - statistically, more fireworks injuries are from sparklers than from any other kind of fireworks)
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Post by OziRiS on Feb 27, 2014 23:40:31 GMT
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Post by the light works on Feb 28, 2014 1:48:10 GMT
it is worth a try. for that matter, my ex GF used to buy some noxious no preservatives juice blend, drink half, and leave the other half to ferment in the footwell of whatever vehicle she was riding in. (in a glass bottle) could that build up enough pressure to either break the bottle or blow the cap off?
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Post by OziRiS on Mar 1, 2014 0:02:41 GMT
it is worth a try. for that matter, my ex GF used to buy some noxious no preservatives juice blend, drink half, and leave the other half to ferment in the footwell of whatever vehicle she was riding in. (in a glass bottle) could that build up enough pressure to either break the bottle or blow the cap off? First off: Eeeww! If that's the same GF you've been mentioning on and off over the months we've been here, I'm not really surprised she became an ex at this point. Second: The rhubarb thing should lead to some great exploding fridge shots, whether the myth proves true or not. The only problem I see with that particular myth in terms of testing is that the news story did say the chutney was homemade. In other words, they don't have a chance in hades of knowing what was put into it other than rhubarb. It may even have been contaminated by some unknown substance that led to the unfortunate event. However, the story is well documented and I believe the woman is named in the article. As we discussed in the thread, the question isn't whether or not the explosion happened (there are pics to prove it in the article), but if the chutney was really to blame or if something else was going on. The research team could attempt to contact the woman and see if they could get the original recipe from her friend and some more details about what was done with it (did it sit in the open for long before going in the fridge, for instance?) to get the best possible circumstances for replicating the myth. Who knows? They might even be able to get the make and model of the fridge.
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Post by the light works on Mar 1, 2014 2:21:40 GMT
it is worth a try. for that matter, my ex GF used to buy some noxious no preservatives juice blend, drink half, and leave the other half to ferment in the footwell of whatever vehicle she was riding in. (in a glass bottle) could that build up enough pressure to either break the bottle or blow the cap off? First off: Eeeww! If that's the same GF you've been mentioning on and off over the months we've been here, I'm not really surprised she became an ex at this point. Second: The rhubarb thing should lead to some great exploding fridge shots, whether the myth proves true or not. The only problem I see with that particular myth in terms of testing is that the news story did say the chutney was homemade. In other words, they don't have a chance in hades of knowing what was put into it other than rhubarb. It may even have been contaminated by some unknown substance that led to the unfortunate event. However, the story is well documented and I believe the woman is named in the article. As we discussed in the thread, the question isn't whether or not the explosion happened (there are pics to prove it in the article), but if the chutney was really to blame or if something else was going on. The research team could attempt to contact the woman and see if they could get the original recipe from her friend and some more details about what was done with it (did it sit in the open for long before going in the fridge, for instance?) to get the best possible circumstances for replicating the myth. Who knows? They might even be able to get the make and model of the fridge. none of them ever blew - and yes, it's the same ex gf that I say bad things about.
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 7, 2014 7:53:44 GMT
This is something I hear from time to time, but I doubt is true.
Gunpowder Overdose.
Now I think it has origins in Cartridge for 12bore, shotgun, but I dont know how far upscale you can get, and goes along the same lines as the suggested replacing of gunpowder for explosives from the almighty Adim above (Cyber)
The suggestion is that the gunpowder in the cartridge is not taken out, but added to, they creating a BIGGER bang in the gun.... It can destroy the barrel?....
Now as the only 12bore/13guage I have ever had the opportunity to fire on a clay pigeon range are family heirloom, belonging to my Uncle, approx 70 to 80 yrs old, in fine working condition well maintained and absolutely fantastic to handle, I have no intention in firing anything else but what is supplied to be fired with..... I am not a vandal?....
And no, as the only ranges I have ever been on are either Military of Police, I have never ever even thought about testing this on anything else either. I dont even know if there is even room in say a .303 round to add extra gunpowder.... I was only ever there for proficiency, 10 rounds at the target in front of you in your own time commence firing....
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Post by silverdragon on Mar 7, 2014 7:58:02 GMT
Dry Cleaning. Perchloroetylene ... I think?... spelling may be off. When I left school one of my first jobs was in a dry cleaners... One day we had a spill, and the "perk" flooded the floor... so, like fools, we set too and cleaned it up with mop and bucket. We didnt know, but its supposedly highly explosive?.... Its also a hell of a "High"...
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