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Post by silverdragon on Apr 5, 2014 13:17:17 GMT
I didnt see that show....
And interestingly, someone I know has recently mused on the idea, if the "Gunpowder plot" had succeeded, would it have worked, would they have actually done what they intended to do.
I suggested he drop by, and post it on here, but you beat him to it?....
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 5, 2014 13:19:25 GMT
They have deserts, such as JATO rocket car, Rocket propelled arrows, are they a bit sensitive about even using those for testing?...
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 5, 2014 14:56:30 GMT
The program on the gunpowder plot can be found on UTube in eight parts;
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You can't just go out and set off explosions where you like. You need permits and permissions. That is why they have limited their explosions to a handful of places, one being the bomb range the others were quarries where I'd guess the owners of the land have permits to use explosives.
Also keep in mind that in this case you'd also need to build a 'bunker' underground, which would require specialised digging equipment and material all of which would have to be transported to the site along with the workers. At best this would be very expensive and time consuming. At worst this equipment couldn't be transported to the site - the MB trucks have become stuck in the desert before now and they are a lot smaller and lighter than some of the equipment needed here.
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 7, 2014 15:48:46 GMT
What about things that are shot and explode in film and TV?
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Post by the light works on Apr 7, 2014 18:17:46 GMT
What about things that are shot and explode in film and TV? they would have to either do a montage or have to commit two full seasons just to do a representative sample...  engine explosions are a real thing - don't know if it is worth doing a myth about. (I.E. drag racer engines blowing apart) when I was younger there were various myths about ways to make your hot rod backfire on purpose. did they already do eggs exploding in the microwave? (I think so but I don't remember) when I was young there was a myth you could hold a firecracker in a certain way and set it off without harm. there are stories that Celluloid - an early form of plastic, used in a few things including photographic film and pool balls - could be explosive. (wikipedia notes it is extremely flammable in some forms it was used in, but not explosive) when I was a kid, I read Encyclopedia Brown - puzzle stories of a child detective with amazing powers of perception. there would be a short story of a crime, and then Encyclopedia Brown would identify the culprit from only a few clues given - when faced with the evidence, the culprit would confess. (the reader gets to try to guess how he figured it out, and then read the answer in the back of the book) one of these was "the case of the exploding plumbing" in which the vandal in question accidentally broke a hot water boiler, so that it flushed hot water through the cold water lines of the building - causing a toilet to explode from thermal shock. - the end of the story problem is; CAN a toiler or other porcelain fixture "explode" from thermal shock? |
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 7, 2014 18:37:03 GMT
I was thinking of things that someone shoots with a gun that explode, one of the better known examples are gas tanks (done) and fire extinguishers (Bond, Die Hard 4 and The A-Team series).
To this I'd add electrical equipment, especially TV's which when hit by a feather have this tendency to detonate in a shower of sparks. But computers or any electrical items will often react to bullets in a spectacular way.
This type of explosion might be quick and easy to set up and test, and if they have a couple of them they might be able to dispense with the normal long-winded explanation and background for a test for each of them.
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Post by the light works on Apr 7, 2014 18:54:05 GMT
I was thinking of things that someone shoots with a gun that explode, one of the better known examples are gas tanks (done) and fire extinguishers (Bond, Die Hard 4 and The A-Team series). To this I'd add electrical equipment, especially TV's which when hit by a feather have this tendency to detonate in a shower of sparks. But computers or any electrical items will often react to bullets in a spectacular way. This type of explosion might be quick and easy to set up and test, and if they have a couple of them they might be able to dispense with the normal long-winded explanation and background for a test for each of them. they did neon recently - but yes, a montage of the popular "exploding targets" might be fun. maybe a split screen showing the Hollywood on one side and the Mythbusters range on the other. TVs used to be popular among rednecks, because the CRT would apparently suffer a somewhat catastrophic failure, and most rednecks could hit one in just a few tries. personally, I used to like sealed cans of soda as exploding targets - back when I could get store brand for a few nickels a can, and I was willing to waste food for entertainment. addendum: car tires suffer catastrophic failure, when shot in the movies and on TV. |
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Post by OziRiS on Apr 7, 2014 19:58:25 GMT
Didn't they do car tires already?
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Post by the light works on Apr 8, 2014 0:07:24 GMT
Didn't they do car tires already? I know there have been myths done about tires... |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 8, 2014 7:56:44 GMT
The porcelain is thicker than yer average tea-cup, and THEY dont explode when you put boiling tea in them, do they?...
It may crack, but actually explode.... depends on quality control.
They are supposed to knock gently each one to test for cracks before they are released, if you did manage to get one with a fault in it, them maybe...?...
On a carburettor fitted vehicle, a spark plug in the exhaust worked well for a flame show at nights....
Your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off?...
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 8, 2014 8:26:03 GMT
Didn't they do car tires already? I know there have been myths done about tires... They did indeed do the tires myth, shooting at truck tires while the truck itself was on a rig. |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 8, 2014 8:31:01 GMT
They were supposed to be getting the tyres to de-laminate on that one wernt they, to see if it would shatter a windscreen....
Tyres dont explode, exactly, they "Pop", and when the air is released, thats it, but its not exactly an explosive pop.
The rest of the tyre flying away is more centrifugal force flinging it out?...
Shoot a tyre stood still, and its more of a pup-psssssssttttt......
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 8, 2014 8:40:11 GMT
"Bullet proof", and "Bomb-proof"....
I dont know on this one, but maybe the military would be interested in showing off.
Get one of the new fangled Afghanistan troop transport vehicles, and no, not the humvee, the other ones that have been tested, with armour plating underneath, and see just how IED proof they really are?....
The UK forces have something with a "V" shaped hull under there that deflects the blast.
I also wanna see just how bulletproof the windows are.
Time for Mr Majik, the .50 calibre, to show off.....
Now if the trucks are the real deal, how demoralizing for idiots would it be to show how useless your terrorist roadside bombs are now we have modern toys?...
I know for sure the doors of the UK's thing would deflect anything that wasnt fired from a tank at very close range.
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Post by Cybermortis on Apr 8, 2014 9:11:55 GMT
They are looking for explosions, not what is bullet proof (which they have done enough of methinks). There ARE things in Hollywood that have a tendency to 'explode' in some type of pyrotechnic display when shot, and it is those things that I was interested in.
They've done cars, gas tanks, propane tanks and explosives already. But there must be more than those, including (as already posted) TV/Electrical equipment and fire extinguishers. Two or three more such items and they may have enough for a segment.
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The rig used for the tire myth had the truck stationary, but the wheels were moving. Off the top of my head the rig used rollers to allow the wheels to rotate normally under their own power, or from the rotation of the rollers.
While they were not specifically testing the idea that the tires would 'explode' if shot, the test done also showed this to be Hollywood science.
Or if you like if they wanted to test the tire idea out they'd end up using the exact same rig and get the exact same result.
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Post by OziRiS on Apr 8, 2014 9:59:56 GMT
"Bullet proof", and "Bomb-proof".... I dont know on this one, but maybe the military would be interested in showing off. Get one of the new fangled Afghanistan troop transport vehicles, and no, not the humvee, the other ones that have been tested, with armour plating underneath, and see just how IED proof they really are?.... The UK forces have something with a "V" shaped hull under there that deflects the blast. I also wanna see just how bulletproof the windows are. Time for Mr Majik, the .50 calibre, to show off..... Now if the trucks are the real deal, how demoralizing for idiots would it be to show how useless your terrorist roadside bombs are now we have modern toys?... I know for sure the doors of the UK's thing would deflect anything that wasnt fired from a tank at very close range. The vehicle you're referring to is called an MRAP, which stands for Mine Resistant Armored Personel vehicle. The bottom of the vehicle is indeed shaped much like the hull of a boat in order to direct the energy of an explosion out and away from the vehicle. They're pretty succesfull and in many cases of large explosions, the worst case scenario is one or more wheels coming off, but the crew are okay. They may have concussions and other small injuries, but it's still a lot better than slowly bleeding out after losing a couple of limbs. A directed explosion - like that of an EFP (Explosively Formed Projectile, which is basically a cylinder packed full of explosives in a cone shape to direct the blast and capped off with a copper plate that is formed into a projectile and shot out at high speed), if placed specifically to target an MRAP, can still penetrate the armor. It's just a matter of angle and a large enough EFP. This is why it's called "mine resistant" and not "mine proof". |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 9, 2014 7:34:27 GMT
We call it Foxhound I think.
Not 100% proof, as you will loose parts of the vehicle, but, the important part, inside, EVERYONE stays alive in most cases.
This was mine resistant, but, if you invent idiot proof, you just get a better class of idiot.
And so they built IED's that could tackle the Foxhound....
But still, when they first went out in lightly armoured Landies, they were easy targets.
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Post by the light works on Apr 9, 2014 15:31:02 GMT
We call it Foxhound I think. Not 100% proof, as you will loose parts of the vehicle, but, the important part, inside, EVERYONE stays alive in most cases. This was mine resistant, but, if you invent idiot proof, you just get a better class of idiot. And so they built IED's that could tackle the Foxhound.... But still, when they first went out in lightly armoured Landies, they were easy targets. had a friend who was in the initial occupation of Baghdad. when they were patrolling in unarmored HMMWVs. the standing order of engagement was "don't stop until you are back on base" on the theory that it is more challenging to hit a moving target. if you were on point and something got in front of you, you tried to hit it hard enough to get it out of the way of the rest of the column. |
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Post by ponytail61 on Apr 10, 2014 4:07:34 GMT
I know there have been myths done about tires... They did indeed do the tires myth, shooting at truck tires while the truck itself was on a rig. They also shot tires in the Bouncing Bullets episode to see if you would lose control of the car. One type of explosion I've always been a little curious about is those that have happened during colonoscopies. A pig should make a nice human analog and for visual effect a few feet of sausage casing strategically placed in a ballistic gel torso could be a holy crap moment (pun intended). There really is no way to supersize this though except maybe with a fire hose and an elephant analog.  There has been one death associated with "colonic gas explosions" according to a study mentioned in this article. io9.com/5945897/sometimes-people-explode-during-colonoscopies-heres-how-that-happens"...a survey of the medical literature conducted by Ben-Soussan's team turned up just 20 cases of colonic gas explosion between 1952 and October 2006, only one of which was fatal." I know it's probably not the "big boom" Jamie wants but it could add a little brevity to an episode devoted to explosions. |
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Post by silverdragon on Apr 10, 2014 8:15:59 GMT
How safe is hiding behind a car.
In a building explosion, the hero and romantic interest often duck down behind a vehicle to escape the explosion.....
Is that wise?............
A Flying brick from an office block is going straight through the windows.
We also know by now that unless the vehicle is armoured up, bullets can pass all the way through the doors, and out the other side, so what about flying debris?....
How about the bounce shot, under the car.... duck behind a Humvee for instance, and your shins and feet are getting it.
Plus, will the vehicle move?....
Sideways on to a blast, stood still, you have a sizeable area catching all that blast, why isnt the vehicle blown away.
Or at least a couple of feet to on top of the hero....
Testing may involve two cars in line, side on to the blast, tying one car down with a ballistic dummy to one side to see what it catches whilst the other vehicle is free to move about.
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Post by Lokifan on Apr 10, 2014 8:23:33 GMT
Had another idea about a blast myth that was movie-related.
In "The Dead Pool", Dirty Harry is being chased by a remote control toy Corvette car loaded with explosives. It's a pretty long and dramatic chase around the hills of San Francisco. The toy car finally runs under Dirty Harry's car and detonates, blowing both vehicles to bits.
The myths are:
1. Can you direct a toy car that accurately, especially while driving a regular car in a high speed chase?
2. Can the toy car blow up a normal car, or do you need a bigger explosive package?
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