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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 10, 2014 23:05:11 GMT
DAMN IT!!! I came to this thread now because I just thought of a myth they could test that hasn't been posted yet and now I find out that they're already filming/done filming an A-Team special?! Oh well... Hope it turns out to be good... Submit the myth, who knows the may just do a sequel. Agreed. An A-Team special seems to have been a rather popular idea judging from comments I noticed on Twitter amongst other places. So it is a fair guess that if this is well received they would consider making a sequel, and that since the series ran to 98 episodes there is probably more than enough there for them to do two shows without repeating themselves. So I'd say post your idea, I was going to post one of my own in fact; The Myth; The A-Team never, in four and a half years, actually killed anyone*. The reality; In the last episode of the fourth season the team is hired by General Fulbright to rescue his daughter from Vietnam. (Fulbright was the guy who was attempting to capture the team in season 4, replacing Colonel Decker). Although the succeeded in rescuing Fulbrights daughter, the Viet-Cong general they had gone against stands in the window of a hut and manages to shoot Fulbright in the back as they are about to escape. Hannibal picks up an M-16, turns and calmly fires the under-barrel grenade launcher at the hut. The grenade doesn't hit the hut itself, but lands between a line a barrels and the hut window where the general was seen standing. The two soldiers standing in front of the barrels go running, but unlike other episodes are not sent flying - implying that the explosion was closer to the hut than the soldiers. The Viet-Cong general is not seen to have been killed**, nor does any subsequent footage show what happened to the hut and no one mentions if the general is dead or not. So the question is if the General might have managed to survive, or if he would most likely have been killed? (*Trivia; I should be more specific and note that the team WAS directly responsible for the apparent death of two mobsters in the first season. The first was killed by his subordinate who used the team as scapegoats. The subordinate was tricked into confessing to the murder on tape, and at the end of the episode noted as having been 'freed' by 'friends' who were almost certainly mobsters who would kill him for murdering his former boss. Comments made by Hannibal at the time the mobster was tricked into confessing on tape, and his reaction at the end to the 'rescue' strongly imply that he knew the guy would be killed if indeed that wasn't his plan. However this was an indirect killing, rather than something anyone on the team carried out themselves. The apparent death of the Viet-Cong General would be the first and only time any member of the team had deliberately and directly killed anyone on screen.) (**Trivia 2; Fulbright has the distinction of being the only person in the shows entire run who died on screen.)
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 10, 2014 23:46:30 GMT
I was thinking of the season 1 Lawn Chair Larry-like prison escape.
The team have gotten themselves arrested (on purpose) and into a prison where the warden runs illegal fights between inmates for bets. B.A. takes on the role of a deaf mute fighter, so as to infiltrate the fighting organization and to have Hannibal, who plays an obviously gay hairdresser who pretends to know sign language, escort him everywhere and speak on his behalf. Murdoch is placed in the psychatric cell block and drives the staff there bonkers by screaming for trash bags all the time. Face takes on the role of a prominent prison psychiatrist who believes in the reform of inmates through occupational therapy and job training and with the help of Amy, who pretends to be writing a story on this project, convinces the warden to start up a hair salon in the prison.
This all leads up to the escape plan.
When the salon is up and running, complete with hair styling gadgets such as curling irons and hairdryers, and Murdoch has enough trash bags, the team proceeds to strap these bags to a lawn chair and fill them with hot air from the hairdryers, allowing Murdoch just enough air time to make it over the prison wall and escape, so he can later help the others escape.
I'm guessing it's a big fat no for making this work with the relatively few bags they had on hand in the show (a big clue is that you could see by the way the chair moved that it was faked), but is it possible to use plastic trash bags - if you have enough - and hot air to get airborne, just like Lawn Chair Larry did with his helium balloons, or would the temperature of the air have to be so high that the bags would melt long before you were able to get any real lift out of them?
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Post by the light works on Jun 11, 2014 14:19:28 GMT
DAMN IT!!! I came to this thread now because I just thought of a myth they could test that hasn't been posted yet and now I find out that they're already filming/done filming an A-Team special?! Oh well... Hope it turns out to be good... Submit the myth, who knows the may just do a sequel. or you can claim ESP...
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jun 11, 2014 14:46:17 GMT
Submit the myth, who knows the may just do a sequel. or you can claim ESP... Eh? This is comment going over my head like a 747, can you please explain.
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Post by the light works on Jun 11, 2014 14:51:35 GMT
Eh? This is comment going over my head like a 747, can you please explain. if the idea matches the show the claim can be made that it was transferred to the mythbusters by ESP. (related to Osiris' comment: "16 hours ago OziRiS said: DAMN IT!!! I came to this thread now because I just thought of a myth they could test that hasn't been posted yet and now I find out that they're already filming/done filming an A-Team special?! Oh well... Hope it turns out to be good... "
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jun 11, 2014 15:20:17 GMT
Eh? This is comment going over my head like a 747, can you please explain. if the idea matches the show the claim can be made that it was transferred to the mythbusters by ESP. (related to Osiris' comment: "16 hours ago OziRiS said: DAMN IT!!! I came to this thread now because I just thought of a myth they could test that hasn't been posted yet and now I find out that they're already filming/done filming an A-Team special?! Oh well... Hope it turns out to be good... " Ok got it now. Ta!
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 11, 2014 22:38:54 GMT
Submit the myth, who knows the may just do a sequel. or you can claim ESP... Kinda hard to claim ESP after the fact...
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Post by the light works on Jun 12, 2014 1:57:58 GMT
Kinda hard to claim ESP after the fact... well, not if you admit it...
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jun 12, 2014 13:57:07 GMT
Kinda hard to claim ESP after the fact... well, not if you admit it... LOL! Schultz!!! Actually that gives me an idea - seeing as the Mythbusters appear to be doing an A Team Special, maybe we should set up a Hogan's Hero's thread & get them to test some of the more outrageous stunts they did in the show.
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Post by the light works on Jun 12, 2014 14:21:45 GMT
well, not if you admit it... LOL! Schultz!!! Actually that gives me an idea - seeing as the Mythbusters appear to be doing an A Team Special, maybe we should set up a Hogan's Hero's thread & get them to test some of the more outrageous stunts they did in the show. that would mean I would need to watch at least some of it...
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 12, 2014 20:36:51 GMT
If you can think of viable and interesting things from that series then by all means post it.
However, I suspect that Logan's Heroes might not be popular enough to warrant a special episode - The A-Team was an international success and fondly remembered. Logan's Heroes...not so much.
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 13, 2014 10:01:01 GMT
If you can think of viable and interesting things from that series then by all means post it. However, I suspect that Logan's Heroes might not be popular enough to warrant a special episode - The A-Team was an international success and fondly remembered. Logan's Heroes...not so much. As clearly evidenced by you now having called it "Logan's Heroes" twice, when it's actually called "Hogan's Heroes"
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Post by mrfatso on Jun 13, 2014 14:40:15 GMT
If you can think of viable and interesting things from that series then by all means post it. However, I suspect that Logan's Heroes might not be popular enough to warrant a special episode - The A-Team was an international success and fondly remembered. Logan's Heroes...not so much. I don't see why not, they have done episodes on program's like Macgyver that were about as popular as Hogans Heroes were over here. As long as a show, or subject even like Baseball ( sorry I don't want to start a discussion about that here) are popular enough in their home territory America , then the money and interest for the Mythbusters to do them is there. (Edit) I have done a bit if googling and I think between ITV, The BBC and Bravo all of whom owned the rights to Macgyver at one time or another they still have not shown all of that show on UK TV.
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Post by ironhold on Jun 13, 2014 21:29:17 GMT
If you can think of viable and interesting things from that series then by all means post it. However, I suspect that Logan's Heroes might not be popular enough to warrant a special episode - The A-Team was an international success and fondly remembered. Logan's Heroes...not so much. I don't see why not, they have done episodes on program's like Macgyver that were about as popular as Hogans Heroes were over here. As long as a show, or subject even like Baseball ( sorry I don't want to start a discussion about that here) are popular enough in their home territory America , then the money and interest for the Mythbusters to do them is there. (Edit) I have done a bit if googling and I think between ITV, The BBC and Bravo all of whom owned the rights to Macgyver at one time or another they still have not shown all of that show on UK TV. Sadly, it's all too common for episodes to be dropped when shows go from country to country. It could be that the country's censors objected in some fashion. For example, the infamous "beach episode" from the first season of Pokemon has been in and out of rotation due to it depicting a 12-year-old Misty and a cross-dressing 17-year-old James both competing in a swimsuit contest. It could be that someone involved in the production wanted one or more episodes withheld. For example, an episode of the original Mobile Suit Gundam anime has reportedly been withheld from international broadcast because the producer was dissatisfied with the poor quality of the animation. It could be rights issues or even litigation. For example, the Japanese government has "banned" all subsequent broadcasts of the infamous "seizure episode" from the first season of Pokemon; although the government has no authority to prevent the episode from being broadcast outside of Japan, North American importer 4Kids! has chosen to comply. It could be that the episodes were dropped in order to make the series move at a faster pace. For example, the original American broadcast of Dragonball Z deleted 14 episodes' worth of material; while some of it was to remove "objectionable" material and other cuts were made to delete individual characters (Z was the middle part of a trilogy but was the first to be imported), the rest was done to improve the pacing. It could be that the importers have opted to withhold episodes due to sensitivity issues. For example, 9/11 resulted in several episodes of Transformers: Robots in Disguise being withheld from American broadcast (they were confirmed as having been shown in Canada, Australia, and the UK), while at least one episode was simply never dubbed. Then every once in a while, we get episodes that are deleted for no apparent reason. For example, an episode of Transformers: Energon was simply never dubbed into English; no explanation for its absence has ever been given.
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Post by mrfatso on Jun 14, 2014 0:37:12 GMT
I don't see why not, they have done episodes on program's like Macgyver that were about as popular as Hogans Heroes were over here. As long as a show, or subject even like Baseball ( sorry I don't want to start a discussion about that here) are popular enough in their home territory America , then the money and interest for the Mythbusters to do them is there. (Edit) I have done a bit if googling and I think between ITV, The BBC and Bravo all of whom owned the rights to Macgyver at one time or another they still have not shown all of that show on UK TV. Sadly, it's all too common for episodes to be dropped when shows go from country to country. It could be that the country's censors objected in some fashion. For example, the infamous "beach episode" from the first season of Pokemon has been in and out of rotation due to it depicting a 12-year-old Misty and a cross-dressing 17-year-old James both competing in a swimsuit contest. It could be that someone involved in the production wanted one or more episodes withheld. For example, an episode of the original Mobile Suit Gundam anime has reportedly been withheld from international broadcast because the producer was dissatisfied with the poor quality of the animation. It could be rights issues or even litigation. For example, the Japanese government has "banned" all subsequent broadcasts of the infamous "seizure episode" from the first season of Pokemon; although the government has no authority to prevent the episode from being broadcast outside of Japan, North American importer 4Kids! has chosen to comply. It could be that the episodes were dropped in order to make the series move at a faster pace. For example, the original American broadcast of Dragonball Z deleted 14 episodes' worth of material; while some of it was to remove "objectionable" material and other cuts were made to delete individual characters (Z was the middle part of a trilogy but was the first to be imported), the rest was done to improve the pacing. It could be that the importers have opted to withhold episodes due to sensitivity issues. For example, 9/11 resulted in several episodes of Transformers: Robots in Disguise being withheld from American broadcast (they were confirmed as having been shown in Canada, Australia, and the UK), while at least one episode was simply never dubbed. Then every once in a while, we get episodes that are deleted for no apparent reason. For example, an episode of Transformers: Energon was simply never dubbed into English; no explanation for its absence has ever been given. We have had cases where certain episodes have been dropped like the episode of STNG, called The High Ground banned by the Thatcher Government for its alleged support of the IRA. But in Macgyvers case it was just never that popular, more people know it as a joke in the Simpsons I think, some may never realise it was a real TV program. It's transmission history was patchy at best, the ITV network showed selected episodes missing out several seasons entirely, The BBC I think showed the TV movies.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 14, 2014 10:37:56 GMT
The episode in question dealt with terrorism, or at least the fine line between 'freedom fighter' and 'Terrorist'*. In the episode Data gives historical examples of occasions where the use of force/terrorism worked...one of these was the reunification of Ireland in 2024.
This would have been highly offensive in the UK at this time for a number of reasons, not least because bombings and killings were still being carried out at this point - it would be a few more years before there was any kind of peace settlement. To give those of you who are not British, or too young to remember the troubles, some idea as to how this would have gone down. This would have been rather like someone on Doctor Who claiming that the 9-11 attacks were a good thing.
It wasn't banned by the Thatcher Government, since the original airdate in the US was 1990 and the UK didn't get the third season of TNG until 1992 or thereabouts. At that point Thatcher was out of power and John Major was the Prime minister. It is also unclear if the episode was banned by the government, Ofcom (the UK's equivalent of the American FCC) or the BBC (and later other broadcasters). Since the episode was shown with the offending line cut at later dates, and uncut in 2007, it is more likely that it was the BBC and/or Ofcom who 'banned' it than the govenment.
(*Even leaving out the part about Ireland the episode itself isn't as smart as it seems it wanted to be. And is in fact rather dull)
The McGyver films were shown more than a few times - one of the TV films was filmed at the Battersea Power Station in London - But I can't remember any of the series having been aired in the UK. At least not on terrestrial channels, no doubt it can be found on cable/satellite channels somewhere.
(In this period we were getting the A Team, Knight Rider, Magnum PI, Remington Steel, Airwolf, Manamual(sp?), Murder She Wrote, Miami Vice, RipTide, Highway To Heaven, Dukes of Hazard and T.J Hooker to name but a few off the top of my head. So it's not like broadcasters were shy about airing US shows)
MacGyver is sort of known in the UK indirectly, since 'McGyvering' entered US English and ended up being used in other US TV shows. But I'd be surprised if many UK viewers know much more than McGyver was a TV series that stared the guy who was in Stargate.
Although MB do, naturally, concentrate on US related myths and TV shows they also need to keep one eye on the overseas markets - the show is broadcast in over 40 different countries after all. There is not much point in them dealing with series that are simply unknown outside the US, at least not for a 'special' episode. Taking a single myth from such a series is fine, because the myth would hold up on its own and the series itself isn't expected to 'sell' the show.
None of which has anything to do with the OP, as in A-Team myths.
There are other 80's and early 90's shows that *might* be well enough known and loved outside the US to be able to support a special. But if you look at the list of shows that were aired in the UK above you'll note that a LOT of them wouldn't have much testable material in them. Knight Rider, for example, is far too sci-fi to throw up much in the way of myths. In fact when taking a look though that series the only testable myth was driving into the back of a moving truck...which MB already tested.
In fact the only TV series on that list that *might* provide usable material, was a world-wide success and still fondly remembered is Magnum PI.
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Post by Lex Of Sydney Australia on Jun 14, 2014 12:46:17 GMT
The episode in question dealt with terrorism, or at least the fine line between 'freedom fighter' and 'Terrorist'*. In the episode Data gives historical examples of occasions where the use of force/terrorism worked...one of these was the reunification of Ireland in 2024. This would have been highly offensive in the UK at this time for a number of reasons, not least because bombings and killings were still being carried out at this point - it would be a few more years before there was any kind of peace settlement. To give those of you who are not British, or too young to remember the troubles, some idea as to how this would have gone down. This would have been rather like someone on Doctor Who claiming that the 9-11 attacks were a good thing. It wasn't banned by the Thatcher Government, since the original airdate in the US was 1990 and the UK didn't get the third season of TNG until 1992 or thereabouts. At that point Thatcher was out of power and John Major was the Prime minister. It is also unclear if the episode was banned by the government, Ofcom (the UK's equivalent of the American FCC) or the BBC (and later other broadcasters). Since the episode was shown with the offending line cut at later dates, and uncut in 2007, it is more likely that it was the BBC and/or Ofcom who 'banned' it than the govenment. (*Even leaving out the part about Ireland the episode itself isn't as smart as it seems it wanted to be. And is in fact rather dull) The McGyver films were shown more than a few times - one of the TV films was filmed at the Battersea Power Station in London - But I can't remember any of the series having been aired in the UK. At least not on terrestrial channels, no doubt it can be found on cable/satellite channels somewhere. (In this period we were getting the A Team, Knight Rider, Magnum PI, Remington Steel, Airwolf, Manamual(sp?), Murder She Wrote, Miami Vice, RipTide, Highway To Heaven, Dukes of Hazard and T.J Hooker to name but a few off the top of my head. So it's not like broadcasters were shy about airing US shows) MacGyver is sort of known in the UK indirectly, since 'McGyvering' entered US English and ended up being used in other US TV shows. But I'd be surprised if many UK viewers know much more than McGyver was a TV series that stared the guy who was in Stargate. Although MB do, naturally, concentrate on US related myths and TV shows they also need to keep one eye on the overseas markets - the show is broadcast in over 40 different countries after all. There is not much point in them dealing with series that are simply unknown outside the US, at least not for a 'special' episode. Taking a single myth from such a series is fine, because the myth would hold up on its own and the series itself isn't expected to 'sell' the show. None of which has anything to do with the OP, as in A-Team myths. There are other 80's and early 90's shows that *might* be well enough known and loved outside the US to be able to support a special. But if you look at the list of shows that were aired in the UK above you'll note that a LOT of them wouldn't have much testable material in them. Knight Rider, for example, is far too sci-fi to throw up much in the way of myths. In fact when taking a look though that series the only testable myth was driving into the back of a moving truck...which MB already tested. In fact the only TV series on that list that *might* provide usable material, was a world-wide success and still fondly remembered is Magnum PI. MacGyver was never shown past its third season here in Australia, yet my Mum has the whole series (including the two made for TV MacGyver movies) on DVD. She bought the whole lot as one big box set off Amazon about two & a half years back. Maybe they still have it for sale & you can get them all that way.
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Post by the light works on Jun 14, 2014 13:38:37 GMT
well, that's due in about 10 years...
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Post by mrfatso on Jun 14, 2014 15:57:58 GMT
The episode in question dealt with terrorism, or at least the fine line between 'freedom fighter' and 'Terrorist'*. In the episode Data gives historical examples of occasions where the use of force/terrorism worked...one of these was the reunification of Ireland in 2024. This would have been highly offensive in the UK at this time for a number of reasons, not least because bombings and killings were still being carried out at this point - it would be a few more years before there was any kind of peace settlement. To give those of you who are not British, or too young to remember the troubles, some idea as to how this would have gone down. This would have been rather like someone on Doctor Who claiming that the 9-11 attacks were a good thing. It wasn't banned by the Thatcher Government, since the original airdate in the US was 1990 and the UK didn't get the third season of TNG until 1992 or thereabouts. At that point Thatcher was out of power and John Major was the Prime minister. It is also unclear if the episode was banned by the government, Ofcom (the UK's equivalent of the American FCC) or the BBC (and later other broadcasters). Since the episode was shown with the offending line cut at later dates, and uncut in 2007, it is more likely that it was the BBC and/or Ofcom who 'banned' it than the govenment. (*Even leaving out the part about Ireland the episode itself isn't as smart as it seems it wanted to be. And is in fact PI. Banned by the Thatcherite government is over stating the case, true, it was late and. I had insomnia, but the broadcasting restrictions brought in against the IRA were brought in by the Thatcher government in 1988, and not repelled until later in John Majors Governments term in 1994.When the High Ground was broadcast they where still in place, and would have affected the broadcast of such a show. A better phrase would have been banned by the effect of a law passed by the Thatcher Goverment. It also lead to banning of some songs by the Pogues for example. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988–94_British_broadcasting_voice_restrictions
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Post by Cybermortis on Jun 14, 2014 16:21:29 GMT
Given that this was a single line, and that it was cut out of later airings, it is more logical to conclude it was the BBC who opted to drop the episode rather than them being asked or told to do so. The legal aspects probably played a major part, if only because it would have been one hell of a hassle to edit the episode.
It would probably also have been caught by the media, who would have no doubt printed one of their {sarcasm activated} balanced articles {sarcasm deactivated} about how evil Trek was. This would not have been in the BBC's interests as Trek was (at the time) the biggest show aired on BBC 2, and probably cost them a lot of money to get and retain - they ended up showing the entire series before it was available elsewhere on UK TV.
The BBC is not unique in dropping episodes of imported TV series, especially those that for some reason they decided to air at 6pm without first bothering to check content*. Channel 4 dropped several episodes of Angel and dropped an episode of Babylon 5 at one point. In these cases the episodes were dropped due to violence, and later shown at 11pm a few months later. Both series were aired at 6pm, which in the case of Angel makes you wonder why they didn't bother to actually check to see what rating it had in the US. Or at the very least ask what time it was being aired over there.
(*To put this in context regarding Angel, this is the same timeslot the Simpsons ended up in on BBC 2)
Most of the other TV series I can think of on the list I managed to write down were usually aired after 9pm (The A-Team and Knight Rider also had 6pm slots as I recall, or at least pre-9pm slots).
I have no idea why McGyver was never aired - unless it aired for one season and just wasn't being watched.
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