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Post by silverdragon on May 25, 2015 14:13:53 GMT
Oh and just to say, I think I may have to try one of those burgers, they look... well... mouthwatering?.. I am hungry now.
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 15:57:48 GMT
A blender, a tall glass and a straw... How do you think? Knife and fork, man  Its a bloody burger.... If you cant pick it up?.. I suppose the bun soaks up all that wonderful gravy. And where are the chips?... I get the knife-and-fork idea, its just that Burgers were supposed to be finger food, as in you dont need eating irons...?... Thats a bit like setting out Silver Service for a Barbecue.... No, DONT go there, I supplied catering one time for a bunch of rich twits who did do silver-service barbecue food. Honestly..... Next thing they will want the Beer in a wine glass. What?... You DO want a wine glass full of beer?... Your havin' a bubble aint you?... you've seen a person eating a chicken leg with a knife and fork, have you? the idea of drinking beer in the wrong sort of glassware seems like something you would use to sort the true elite from the pretentious. there ARE fine glasses for drinking beer - but they are a different shape from wineglasses, because the shape of the glass is important to proper presentation of the beverage. that said, there are certain forms of barbecue that are, of necessity, eaten with a fork. pick up the bone and all you get is the bone. |
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Post by OziRiS on May 25, 2015 19:29:18 GMT
A blender, a tall glass and a straw... How do you think? Knife and fork, man Its a bloody burger.... If you cant pick it up?.. I suppose the bun soaks up all that wonderful gravy. And where are the chips?... I get the knife-and-fork idea, its just that Burgers were supposed to be finger food, as in you dont need eating irons...?... Thats a bit like setting out Silver Service for a Barbecue.... No, DONT go there, I supplied catering one time for a bunch of rich twits who did do silver-service barbecue food. Honestly..... Next thing they will want the Beer in a wine glass. What?... You DO want a wine glass full of beer?... Your havin' a bubble aint you?... Well, I did say this was dreamed up back before the burger as we know it today made its entry onto the Danish market. And you can have it with fries (chips) and whether you want ketchup with them or just want to soak your fries in the gravy is up to you. |
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Post by mrfatso on May 25, 2015 22:18:02 GMT
I always use a knife and fork when eating a burger, I hate to see people using their fingers, it is one reason why I never go to MacNopes.
But then again I always like to deconstruct a burger before eating it, bread yes, beef pattie yes, lettuce yes, Stilton cheese yes, but all together in one mouthful no.
But I am strange that way, full of little mental ticks.
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 22:36:16 GMT
I always use a knife and fork when eating a burger, I hate to see people using their fingers, it is one reason why I never go to MacNopes. But then again I always like to deconstruct a burger before eating it, bread yes, beef pattie yes, lettuce yes, Stilton cheese yes, but all together in one mouthful no. But I am strange that way, full of little mental ticks. if you dismantle it and eat the parts separately, why even bother getting a burger? |
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 22:50:46 GMT
decided to make pasta salad with a bit of a twist - Mrs TLW's favorite potato salad is called "loaded baked potato" salad. so I tried doing pasta salad with cheese, and bacon bits added in. pretty good, although I could have added some green onion and a bit of sour cream to the mix if I'd had it.
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Post by mrfatso on May 25, 2015 22:55:11 GMT
Because I like the flavour of the parts themselves just not all together in one mouthfull, if I could order a burger pattie bread roll etc as separate dishes I would .
But again it has been noted by others I do that with most of my food break it down into parts, eat say all the peas, move onto eat all the carrots, potatoes and meat etc. in order.
Eating dishes that are mixes makes me uncomfortable.
like I say it's a mental tick, it does not make sense to others but makes sense to me.
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 23:03:21 GMT
Because I like the flavour of the parts themselves just not all together in one mouthfull, if I could order a burger pattie bread roll etc as separate dishes I would . But again it has been noted by others I do that with most of my food break it down into parts, eat say all the peas, move onto eat all the carrots, potatoes and meat etc. in order. Eating dishes that are mixes makes me uncomfortable. like I say it's a mental tick, it does not make sense to others but makes sense to me. my dad's brother would have understood. it made him squeamish to have his food touching other food on his plate. me, I sometimes mix, sometimes not. |
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Post by wvengineer on May 25, 2015 23:42:03 GMT
Mrs TLW's favorite potato salad is called "loaded baked potato" salad. Sounds good. Can you post your recipe? |
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Post by the light works on May 25, 2015 23:49:57 GMT
Mrs TLW's favorite potato salad is called "loaded baked potato" salad. Sounds good. Can you post your recipe? one carton loaded baked potato salad from Safeway/Vons |
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Post by ponytail61 on May 25, 2015 23:51:22 GMT
beetroot here is mostly eaten either as pickled or borscht, maybe used in an oven dish, never seen it as burger topping though.... If you ever come through Denmark on your way from Finland to the Netherlands, stop by one of those little grills and get a "Bøfsandwich" (beef sandwich). It was invented back when burgers had yet to become a hit over here. Someone who'd been to the US had taken the concept of the hamburger and tweaked it to better fit the traditional Danish menu. It's basically a burger bun, 200g of beef patty, fried and then dunked in gravy, raw, pan fried and deep fried onions, ketchup, mustard, pickle slices, pickled beet slices and a healthy helping of classic brown gravy both inside and on top of the whole thing. It ends up looking something like this:  Now that's good eatin'!!! The ketchup, mustard, pickles and pickled beets make that a no go for me. They just don't seem to go with brown gravy. Substitute some sauteed mushrooms and that would make a nice "open faced" sandwich. I had never thought of pickled beets as a sandwich topping, might try them on something like tuna, egg or chicken salad sandwich. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 26, 2015 5:18:04 GMT
Its a bloody burger.... If you cant pick it up?.. I suppose the bun soaks up all that wonderful gravy. And where are the chips?... I get the knife-and-fork idea, its just that Burgers were supposed to be finger food, as in you dont need eating irons...?... Thats a bit like setting out Silver Service for a Barbecue.... No, DONT go there, I supplied catering one time for a bunch of rich twits who did do silver-service barbecue food. Honestly..... Next thing they will want the Beer in a wine glass. What?... You DO want a wine glass full of beer?... Your havin' a bubble aint you?... you've seen a person eating a chicken leg with a knife and fork, have you? the idea of drinking beer in the wrong sort of glassware seems like something you would use to sort the true elite from the pretentious. there ARE fine glasses for drinking beer - but they are a different shape from wineglasses, because the shape of the glass is important to proper presentation of the beverage. that said, there are certain forms of barbecue that are, of necessity, eaten with a fork. pick up the bone and all you get is the bone. |
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Post by silverdragon on May 26, 2015 5:40:34 GMT
Tradition states Beer is served in a pint pot, or half pint, or a handle with a glass on it (the Steiner or mug type glass) but NOT a stemmed glass.. which is why I find a current "Stella artois" advert offensive, as that is in a wine glass.
There are Half pint measures, again, straight sided glassware.
The straight side promotes the proper head.
Getting a flat pint, no head, thats a southern trick, but they use smaller glasses down there, northern glasses are lined, so its a pint to the paint mark, plus there is a bit extra glass to keep the head on.
So the southern idiots are not getting more, they just get a full pot, which spills more.
And tastes worse.
You are supposed to have a head on it to get the full taste.
Bottled beer is designed to be pored out of the bottle into either a pint glass or half pint glass, the act of poring develops the head.
But again, straight side glass, not a goldfish bowl.
The pretentious who think they should drink beer from the wrong glass are just showing their ignorance.
The "real money" will take great delight in using the right glass, because they know probably more than I do, and why should they have to show off anyway?...
The wealthy do not use different glasses, they just use better made ones.
I have yet to see coleslaw and salad done with fingers....
The point is, silver service is a sit-down get served meal with waiters and the like, flunkeys, who wear gloves, dress is suits, with tails and bow ties.
Can you imagine our Queen doing a state banquet with a Barbecue in one corner?.. THAT is the type of "silver service" I mean, where silver is the POSH stuff that only gets bought out on the best occasions?...
Eating irons are not always silver.
There are two types of Rich, and this trick my Dad taught me.
There are the REAL rich, who when you arrive with their delivery, take off the jacket and help you unload.
Then there is the plastic debt-set, who nothing is good enough for, and will make a fuss over the smallest thing, just to show "who is in charge"
To tell them apart, see who you notice first.
If you spot them "a mile away", then you dont want to get any closer.
If someone has to tell you who you just had a chat with at the bar, that real nice guy who you felt would be a good friend, then they are worth knowing.
I have met the higher levels of British society, the genuine ones make a point of NOT being a pain in the neck.
And they also appreciate a decent Pint....
In a Pot.
And put a head on it or I will put one on you.... (Old Northern saying to illustrate we dont like flat beer...)
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Post by silverdragon on May 26, 2015 5:47:51 GMT
BTW, I have photographs of our Queen and her young family doing their own barbecue. On the tailgate of a old land-rover. Sort of like this, but better...  She drivers herself.  |
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Post by the light works on May 26, 2015 14:10:25 GMT
Tradition states Beer is served in a pint pot, or half pint, or a handle with a glass on it (the Steiner or mug type glass) but NOT a stemmed glass.. which is why I find a current "Stella artois" advert offensive, as that is in a wine glass. There are Half pint measures, again, straight sided glassware. The straight side promotes the proper head. Getting a flat pint, no head, thats a southern trick, but they use smaller glasses down there, northern glasses are lined, so its a pint to the paint mark, plus there is a bit extra glass to keep the head on. So the southern idiots are not getting more, they just get a full pot, which spills more. And tastes worse. You are supposed to have a head on it to get the full taste. Bottled beer is designed to be pored out of the bottle into either a pint glass or half pint glass, the act of poring develops the head. But again, straight side glass, not a goldfish bowl. The pretentious who think they should drink beer from the wrong glass are just showing their ignorance. The "real money" will take great delight in using the right glass, because they know probably more than I do, and why should they have to show off anyway?... The wealthy do not use different glasses, they just use better made ones.  you are sounding like east coast firefighting: "200 years of tradition unimpeded by modern technology." |
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Post by OziRiS on May 26, 2015 18:42:49 GMT
The ketchup, mustard, pickles and pickled beets make that a no go for me. They just don't seem to go with brown gravy. Substitute some sauteed mushrooms and that would make a nice "open faced" sandwich. I had never thought of pickled beets as a sandwich topping, might try them on something like tuna, egg or chicken salad sandwich. Pickled beets are great for a lot of things. Sometimes when I make gravy, I use a little of the fluid from a jar of beets to add some taste. Just around 2-4 tablespoons is usually enough. Gives it sort of a sweet/sour flavor without being too much. It's especially great in duck sauce. But back to the beets themselves. We use them as a garnish with a lot of things. Pork roast for example. You know, the kind with the crackling still on it. We traditionally eat that at Christmas around these parts. Beets are also great on open sandwiches. Put some liver paté on some rye bread and add a couple of slices of pickled beet. That, or pickled red cabbage, which is especially great if you're making an open rye sandwich with leftovers from the afore mentioned pork roast. Pickled beets generally go well with any type of roast pork or beef served with potatoes and brown gravy, which is why they're included in the traditional Danish beef sandwich (although it doesn't contain potatoes). |
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Post by silverdragon on May 27, 2015 8:53:42 GMT
Actually, no. A LOT of RnD goes into a better pint glass. Lager glasses, for instance, if you buy those with a Ravenhead makers mark, thats inside, and its etched in. That act of etching the inside of the glass promotes bubbles to rise, look at this illustration....  Lager glasses have changed a lot in the past years, they are not the same as beer "pot" straight side glass, they are more of the Pilsner of Weizen of you above illustration. Both now come with etching in the [inside] base to encourage a good head. Which brings me to the Tulip, wine glass, goblet and "snifter" glasses shown, why the (beep) would you put a lager into those glasses that DONT have the etching, when the head will dissipate very quickly, leaving you with flat looking beer?... The constriction in the Tulip will promote a strange looking head when pored anyway. The two pints starting that illustration, straight side and "nomic" Those are not the usual "Tulip pint" style that most places have hundreds of... The Nomic has been introduced so that when pored, the bulge helps develop the head... especially on gas pressured beers. Also when upside down, it separates the glasses from each other in glass-washers and on shelves, which helps protect the rim from damage, so thats a double improvement. Here is the difference... Nomic for pressurised, and the first Pint shown for hand pumped, as the act of pumping, meat-and-two-veg, develops the head on the hand pump beer. Meat and two veg?.. to fill a pint pot, it should take three strokes of a hand pump, the first stroke is the very powerful "Meat" stroke, the second the less powerful filler, the third the same but less, as thats the one that tops the pint to the top. Its also made out of toughened glass, thanks to improvements on glass making, so it is dishwasher safe. The fact they have not got a better beer glass for beers proves that the one they are using is ideal. Guinness glasses have changed a lot as well. This is the latest Guinness "gravity" glass.  Note they are wider in the middle than the lip... they took that from what I mentioned about the Nomic shape, to protect the rim when stacked on a shelf or in a dishwasher. The rest?. Is it pure aesthetic, or did some of the design go to how the beer looks tastes and keeps in the glass?... Yes there is tradition in which glass you use. Mainly because we took a long time to get the glassware right, and then got the beer that fits in those glasses right.  If you internet search for type of beer glass, you get lots of further information. Yes it is important. |
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Post by the light works on May 27, 2015 15:32:23 GMT
and yet you say all beers should go in the pint. - my only comment was that if you want to use a fancier glass for beer, you use a proper fancy beer glass, not a wineglass.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on May 27, 2015 16:42:38 GMT
A couple quick recipes:
Guacamole (please say it all the way...hearing people call it 'gwock' is just annoying)
3 Ripe Avocados (they need to be in the sweet spot between firm and squishy)
1 medium yellow onion
8-10 grape tomatoes
Salt & Pepper (to taste)
Optional: Fresh squeezed lime juice (used as preservative)
Optional: Cilantro (I HATE cilantro!)
Halve the avocados, remove the pits, score in a criss-cross pattern, use a spoon to remove avocado from peel. Place in food processor.
Chop onion and add to food processor. Slive grape tomatoes in half, add to food processor. Add a pinch of salt & pepper. (Add lime juice & cilantro as desired)
Blast away with food processor until desired consistency (I prefer creamier over chunkier). Taste and add salt & pepper as needed.
Pour into dipping bowl. Open a bag of tortilla chips. Enjoy.
Grandpa's 'Fall off the bone' Ribs
2 Pounds of St Louis-style (fatback) ribs
2-3 large onions
2 cloves ears of garlic (cloves wouldn't be very much...)
4 stalks of celery
2 (or so) gallons water
1-2 cans of favorite beer
Preferred BBQ Sauce
Place ribs into large stock pot. Chop onions & celery, add to pot. Peel garlic, add to pot (don't worry about chopping).
Fill pot to above ribs with water. Place pot on stove & heat to a boil. Once boiling, lower to a simmer & let simmer for 1 1/2 - 2 hours.
Grab a beer, you have some downtime.
Carefully remove ribs from pot and place on cookie sheet or large plate. Liberally slather ribs with preferred BBQ sauce.
Place sauced ribs on grill. Char both sides. Return ribs to sheet or plate & serve. Enjoy.
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Post by silverdragon on May 28, 2015 7:24:31 GMT
and yet you say all beers should go in the pint. - my only comment was that if you want to use a fancier glass for beer, you use a proper fancy beer glass, not a wineglass. All beers should go in a Pint Pot, as in the one designed for that beer.... which in UK is either a Pint glass or a Half pint glass (For the laydees) .. There are several different designs of Pint pot. Wine glasses and spirit glasses are not the same. They are NOT for drinking beer out of...? Or were we arguing the same point there? |
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