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Post by silverdragon on Jun 20, 2014 7:01:19 GMT
No, but that thing about not arguing with experience cuts in here, and I reckon he has more experience with projectile weapons that Adam or Jamie.
On that, its Modern weapons and many more than some other people.
Sure, bring in a Navy Seal.... but he only knows maybe "Current" weapons...
If anyone knows anyone else better?... I used Will because he is someone many people know has experience.
If someone else fits the bill better?...
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Post by the light works on Jun 20, 2014 8:40:11 GMT
No, but that thing about not arguing with experience cuts in here, and I reckon he has more experience with projectile weapons that Adam or Jamie. On that, its Modern weapons and many more than some other people. Sure, bring in a Navy Seal.... but he only knows maybe "Current" weapons... If anyone knows anyone else better?... I used Will because he is someone many people know has experience. If someone else fits the bill better?... well, they did bring in deadliest catch guys for the crab pot episode... |
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Post by OziRiS on Jun 20, 2014 13:32:05 GMT
Haven't they already done a crossover where Kari and Tory went to Red Jacket?
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Post by the light works on Jun 20, 2014 13:36:30 GMT
Haven't they already done a crossover where Kari and Tory went to Red Jacket? I don't recall it, but if they did it on the other show, I wouldn't have seen it. |
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Post by c64 on Aug 4, 2014 15:28:15 GMT
In the German Military, there is a "Sehen und hören bei Nacht" (Seeing and hearing at night) training. This is known as "Stehen und frieren bei Nacht" (Standing and shivering at night) by the soldiers.
They do demonstrate different weapons heard from a distance. You can tell the difference between small arms, assault riffles and light and heavy MG very easily. Basically, you can really tell the kind of caliber by the sound. Also you can tell if the weapon has a long or short barrel.
If the barrel size and caliber is similar, you can't tell the difference at all. For example, the German MG and the G3 riffle share the same ammo, but the MG has a longer barrel. One round in the MG sound like a single shot of a G3 if the distance is great enough to conceal the sound of the action of the mechanics. If you shoot the MG or G3 yourself, you hear the difference because you hear the action of the gun. The MG redirects pressure to work its action and you can hear the captured pressure vent, it's a very unique sound. But in the distance, this unique sound drowns in the main sound.
On full auto, each weapon has its own unique pace. It's easy to tell all MGs and all assault riffles apart. But on single shot, it's different. There is no way to tell the difference between M4, G3 and an AK if there is some distance, especially if trees and bushes muffle the sound.
The real danger at night on close encounter is loading your gun and make it ready to fire. The action of the gun sounds very different. When you let the breech snap close, the sound can be identified over a long distance and each weapon has a very unique sound easy to tell apart.
The German military uses a special technique to solve this problem. You slowly slide back the breech and then slowly slide it forth by hand. This makes no sound at all you could hear within a few meters radius. To lock the breech, you hit your boot with the buttstock. This produces just a faint click you can hear within a reasonable distance but it won't sound like a closing breech at all. The enemy can't tell what this was and where exactly the sound came from. The sound is more like the shutter of a mirror-action camera and could be anything metallic like a spoon clicking against a canteen in a rucksack of your comrade.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 4, 2014 23:40:37 GMT
On full auto, each weapon has its own unique pace. It's easy to tell all MGs and all assault riffles apart. But on single shot, it's different. There is no way to tell the difference between M4, G3 and an AK if there is some distance, especially if trees and bushes muffle the sound. I can tell you for a fact that there's a VERY distinct difference in sound between an M4, a G3 and an AK, whether on single shot or full auto. Especially between the M4/M16 and the other two, because the M4 uses a smaller caliber round. Any soldier who's ever been to a war zone where two or more different kinds of weapons were used will tell you the same thing. Knowing the difference between friendly and enemy fire can be vital to your survival, and as such is actually trained before deployment in many armies, including the Danish. Telling the difference between two weapons using the same caliber (for instance, M4, M16, FAMAS, G36 and anything else that uses STANAG 5.56mm ammo) can be difficult though. You're right (in part) about it being easier on full auto than single shot due to the cadence, but some weapons are so similar in that regard as well that you can't tell the difference at a distance. For instance, an American made Colt M4A1 and a German made H&K G36K, if you're not close enough to hear the mechanics working, sound so similar on both semi and full auto that you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart. But an M4 and an AK, or even a G3 and an AK? No problem! |
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Post by c64 on Aug 5, 2014 10:42:13 GMT
On full auto, each weapon has its own unique pace. It's easy to tell all MGs and all assault riffles apart. But on single shot, it's different. There is no way to tell the difference between M4, G3 and an AK if there is some distance, especially if trees and bushes muffle the sound. I can tell you for a fact that there's a VERY distinct difference in sound between an M4, a G3 and an AK, whether on single shot or full auto. Especially between the M4/M16 and the other two, because the M4 uses a smaller caliber round. Any soldier who's ever been to a war zone where two or more different kinds of weapons were used will tell you the same thing. Knowing the difference between friendly and enemy fire can be vital to your survival, and as such is actually trained before deployment in many armies, including the Danish. Telling the difference between two weapons using the same caliber (for instance, M4, M16, FAMAS, G36 and anything else that uses STANAG 5.56mm ammo) can be difficult though. You're right (in part) about it being easier on full auto than single shot due to the cadence, but some weapons are so similar in that regard as well that you can't tell the difference at a distance. For instance, an American made Colt M4A1 and a German made H&K G36K, if you're not close enough to hear the mechanics working, sound so similar on both semi and full auto that you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart. But an M4 and an AK, or even a G3 and an AK? No problem! Nobody said that it is easy. The distance and terrain is important. If you are close enough so that knowing the difference is vital, you have a fair chance. The absolute maximum combat distance for a riffle shootout is 300 yards after all. To hit at 200 yards, the optimum distance for AK/G3 fights, is hard enough. I've never seen an M4A1 in real life. And if it is all about G36 vs M4A1, then something is seriously wrong. Both weapons are not meant to be used outside NATO forces after all. |
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