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Post by OziRiS on Jul 17, 2014 16:49:00 GMT
Too dangerous. They were nervous enough about a single grenade, and I seriously doubt that they would want to put a bunch of them in one place where the resulting blast could send active grenades flying in all directions. Even if they did this in an enclosed space they would have no way of telling if any of the grenades thrown out from the explosion were still active. They would have to send in a robot to check and disable each and every grenade that even looked intact before they could reset, which would make this time consuming and expensive as well as dangerous. two grenades would be sufficient for the test, and I would think they could get a camera that could track the likely trajectory of the second grenade. for that matter, they could even tether the second grenade with a lightweight cable to make it easier to track. then simply arm Jamie Jr. with a shotgun. the tests could be done in the quarry, giving them plenty of safety margin. by projection would be that the shotgun would not be necessary, though. It stands to reason that if a shotgun shot at point blank range can make it go off, another grenade, which has considerably more power, should be able to do the same. I'd be very surprised if it couldn't.
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Post by the light works on Jul 18, 2014 1:56:37 GMT
two grenades would be sufficient for the test, and I would think they could get a camera that could track the likely trajectory of the second grenade. for that matter, they could even tether the second grenade with a lightweight cable to make it easier to track. then simply arm Jamie Jr. with a shotgun. the tests could be done in the quarry, giving them plenty of safety margin. by projection would be that the shotgun would not be necessary, though. It stands to reason that if a shotgun shot at point blank range can make it go off, another grenade, which has considerably more power, should be able to do the same. I'd be very surprised if it couldn't. the shotgun just fractured the casing and damaged the fuze. it was the rifle that detonated it.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 18, 2014 11:27:30 GMT
It stands to reason that if a shotgun shot at point blank range can make it go off, another grenade, which has considerably more power, should be able to do the same. I'd be very surprised if it couldn't. the shotgun just fractured the casing and damaged the fuze. it was the rifle that detonated it. Right. Sorry.
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Post by the light works on Jul 18, 2014 12:41:09 GMT
the shotgun just fractured the casing and damaged the fuze. it was the rifle that detonated it. Right. Sorry. you have not seen the episode yet, have you? in which case you are just going off memory of what we have posted.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 18, 2014 19:53:26 GMT
you have not seen the episode yet, have you? in which case you are just going off memory of what we have posted. I've seen it. It was just a brain fart on my part
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jul 18, 2014 20:14:45 GMT
I've seen it. It was just a brain fart on my part Well, that explains the smell around here... I did not get to watch last night's episode yet (Household Disasters), but plan on doing so tonight courtesy my DVR.
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Post by the light works on Jul 18, 2014 23:46:55 GMT
I've seen it. It was just a brain fart on my part Well, that explains the smell around here... I did not get to watch last night's episode yet (Household Disasters), but plan on doing so tonight courtesy my DVR. I should get to see it tomorrow. - duty night tonight.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 23, 2014 5:59:50 GMT
Grenade capers finally hit our screens here in UK Monday night. One thing they didnt try, an urban myth that in the trenches, one wag had a tennis bat, and would punt the grenades back that way. I wonder how stupid that idea would be?...
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 23, 2014 12:30:16 GMT
German stick grenades were designed to be thrown ahead of an attacking soldier. So they had longer fuses and produced less shrapnel than the allied counterparts*, in effect being more like flash-bangs/stun grenades than what we consider a grenade.
For some reason it never seems to have occurred to whoever decided to issue the stick grenade that at closer ranges the longer fuse just gave the intended target time to pick up and throw the grenade back.
(*The original British Grenades were made in the trenches from food tins, gun cotton, nails and a length of slow match. These proved to be far more effective than you'd think, as the design actually allowed some solders - especially those who played cricket as bowlers - to throw the grenades a considerable distance and of course quickly alter the length of the fuse for different ranges. In at least one documented case I've read one British soldier proved capable of throwing this type of grenade so far and so accurately that he was in effect able to secure about 200 yards of trench by forcing the German troops to take cover in their bunkers.)
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Post by the light works on Jul 23, 2014 14:03:23 GMT
Grenade capers finally hit our screens here in UK Monday night. One thing they didnt try, an urban myth that in the trenches, one wag had a tennis bat, and would punt the grenades back that way. I wonder how stupid that idea would be?... actually, in the closing credits Adam used an AK-47 lookalike like a cricket racquet, and knocked a dummy grenade away with it. it didn't look all that effective, and I suspect a tennis bat would get broken rather quickly. (a grenade, after all, is rather heavier and rougher than a tennis ball.
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Post by the light works on Jul 23, 2014 14:05:25 GMT
German stick grenades were designed to be thrown ahead of an attacking soldier. So they had longer fuses and produced less shrapnel than the allied counterparts*, in effect being more like flash-bangs/stun grenades than what we consider a grenade. For some reason it never seems to have occurred to whoever decided to issue the stick grenade that at closer ranges the longer fuse just gave the intended target time to pick up and throw the grenade back. (*The original British Grenades were made in the trenches from food tins, gun cotton, nails and a length of slow match. These proved to be far more effective than you'd think, as the design actually allowed some solders - especially those who played cricket as bowlers - to throw the grenades a considerable distance and of course quickly alter the length of the fuse for different ranges. In at least one documented case I've read one British soldier proved capable of throwing this type of grenade so far and so accurately that he was in effect able to secure about 200 yards of trench by forcing the German troops to take cover in their bunkers.) there is a submyth that German grenades were sticklike, because Germans did not play baseball or cricket.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 25, 2014 7:58:07 GMT
That was answered "Somewhere" by the Designer working out that the weight at the end being further away from your hand would pick up more speed on the throw and travel further..... I dont now if it was tested at design stage or if it has been tested since, but its an idea worth the test, as the physics make sense. The longer your arms, the faster you can throw... (Or Bowl..)
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Post by the light works on Jul 25, 2014 13:34:32 GMT
That was answered "Somewhere" by the Designer working out that the weight at the end being further away from your hand would pick up more speed on the throw and travel further..... I dont now if it was tested at design stage or if it has been tested since, but its an idea worth the test, as the physics make sense. The longer your arms, the faster you can throw... (Or Bowl..) that would be a great minimyth - and easy to test by having a stick with a weight on the end. can you throw farther by holding the stick or by holding the weight?
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 25, 2014 20:50:25 GMT
That was answered "Somewhere" by the Designer working out that the weight at the end being further away from your hand would pick up more speed on the throw and travel further..... I dont now if it was tested at design stage or if it has been tested since, but its an idea worth the test, as the physics make sense. The longer your arms, the faster you can throw... (Or Bowl..) that would be a great minimyth - and easy to test by having a stick with a weight on the end. can you throw farther by holding the stick or by holding the weight? Doesn't really require testing. It's common knowledge and has been for thousands of years. The longer the arm, the longer the throw. It's the same principle used in a stone sling or a trebuchet catapult.
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Post by the light works on Jul 26, 2014 2:21:08 GMT
that would be a great minimyth - and easy to test by having a stick with a weight on the end. can you throw farther by holding the stick or by holding the weight? Doesn't really require testing. It's common knowledge and has been for thousands of years. The longer the arm, the longer the throw. It's the same principle used in a stone sling or a trebuchet catapult. They've tested a few things we considered common knowledge...
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 26, 2014 7:08:23 GMT
The stick with a weight at the end, its a Hammer, and its used in Highland Games for tossing the REAL hammer.
But back to Grenade launch, is a grenade no more than a foot long going to go that much further?... I suspect yes, but how much and does it make a difference.
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Post by the light works on Jul 26, 2014 19:04:01 GMT
The stick with a weight at the end, its a Hammer, and its used in Highland Games for tossing the REAL hammer. But back to Grenade launch, is a grenade no more than a foot long going to go that much further?... I suspect yes, but how much and does it make a difference. which is why i said to throw it by each end and see which goes further. added bonus test: is it all in the wrist? will either a completely rigid wrist or a completely floppy wrist make a difference over "professional" wrist. (time for grant to build a throwbot)
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 26, 2014 19:41:51 GMT
If you want to discuss possible grenade myths please start a thread in the show ideas board.
Just keep in mind that if you watched the aftershow you'll realize that they are VERY unlikely to want to work with more than a single live grenade - and then under VERY controlled conditions. Even their explosives experts were wary of using grenades.
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 27, 2014 9:13:55 GMT
If you want to discuss possible grenade myths please start a thread in the show ideas board. Just keep in mind that if you watched the aftershow you'll realize that they are VERY unlikely to want to work with more than a single live grenade - and then under VERY controlled conditions. Even their explosives experts were wary of using grenades. And I dont bloody blame them. Grenade training that I had was along the lines of what is what and what to do with one... all using Dummies. I have never actually handled "Live" grenades... There wasnt much reason why an elec tec ground staff needed to?.... They also busted one myth right there, 30 years ago, the one where action figure is seen with a dozen or so grenades hanging off his vest... Bloody silly idea. If just one pin comes loose....... strawberry jam.
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Post by the light works on Jul 27, 2014 14:14:39 GMT
If you want to discuss possible grenade myths please start a thread in the show ideas board. Just keep in mind that if you watched the aftershow you'll realize that they are VERY unlikely to want to work with more than a single live grenade - and then under VERY controlled conditions. Even their explosives experts were wary of using grenades. And I dont bloody blame them. Grenade training that I had was along the lines of what is what and what to do with one... all using Dummies. I have never actually handled "Live" grenades... There wasnt much reason why an elec tec ground staff needed to?.... They also busted one myth right there, 30 years ago, the one where action figure is seen with a dozen or so grenades hanging off his vest... Bloody silly idea. If just one pin comes loose....... strawberry jam. doesn't taste like strawberry...
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