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Post by Lokifan on Jul 25, 2014 6:02:45 GMT
Wow.
First time I think I've ever seen Jamie seriously rattled.
Frankly, I'm not surprised.
Anybody have the link to the apple bobbing commercial that spawned the myth?
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Post by breesfan on Jul 25, 2014 15:01:23 GMT
I think the airplane myth is busted no matter what. I mean the actors were in the air and not traveling by ground technically.
Poor Jamie. I never thought you could bob for apples that way anyway.
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 25, 2014 15:26:03 GMT
You can still fly flat and level, though. I don't think it matters whether it's at 15 feet (like the truck) or 2000 feet.
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Post by Antigone68104 on Jul 26, 2014 19:31:54 GMT
I missed the Thursday showing due to game night, but as long as I'm pulling a double shift at work I might as well stream the episode to catch up. (My supervisors better not be on this board  .) As far as the bungee-bobbing went, I think the guys were overstating earlier in the episode when they said it was safe. Jamie never went straight down and straight back up, there was always some side motion. In a real wooden or metal barrel, you'd split your scalp open at the very least. I was a bit surprised they were able to pull off the wingwalk tennis, I was expecting the wind to have more of an effect on the tennis balls. |
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Post by the light works on Jul 27, 2014 14:43:52 GMT
apple bobbing: I agree - they hit the edge of the barrel every time. - though the fact that Jamie was able to grab the edge of the barrel is, to me, demonstration that there is SOME fact in the fiction.
I was surprised to see Jamie handle it better than Adam.
as for the wingwalk tennis - I was in perfect agreement with all their jokes about the tennis being the hard part. I suspect the original commercial was filmed in segments and edited to make the rally appear longer.
apparently the NSA considers the tennis volley to be a matter of national security, so I was unable to find a search string that would tell me what velocity a volley leaves the racquet, but tennis is a game that regularly exceeds 100 MPH, so a 30 MPH crosswind should be able to be compensated for. I did find a statistic for the longest recorded rally - and one pair had a rally that lasted 643 strikes - when they were trying to make the other miss.
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Post by the light works on Jul 27, 2014 14:46:54 GMT
Wow. First time I think I've ever seen Jamie seriously rattled. Frankly, I'm not surprised. Anybody have the link to the apple bobbing commercial that spawned the myth? got it. |
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Post by the light works on Jul 27, 2014 14:50:34 GMT
looking closer at the physics involved - I call shenanigans. its the horizontal component of the forces involved that make it a provable fake. to actually do it, the "bobber" would have to drop head downward from directly under the anchor point, to eliminate any lateral motion at the end of the drop. - the bobber in the commercial jumped from the platform, increasing the lateral offset, and therefore the lateral motion.
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Post by Cybermortis on Jul 27, 2014 17:27:05 GMT
Tennis ball machines usually fire the ball at around 80mph, so I'd guess that this is more or less the top speed during rallies plus or minus 10 mph.
I think the commercial in question was this one; (The 'match' starts 2;38s)
If you look really closely you'll note that while they clearly were hitting the ball between them while in flight at some point, if you look at the shots taken from the other aircraft you'll notice that there seems to be a distinct lack of tennis ball.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jul 28, 2014 3:07:47 GMT
Apple Bobbing Bungee: I have a feeling that the only way that the jumper can retrieve the apple from the pool is if the apple is somehow held (relatively) stationary. The moment the jumper hits the water, the contents in the water are tossed about...
Tennis on a Plane Wing: I don't think the height makes a difference for proving this one. A relative wind speed of 35 mph is still a relative wind speed of 35 mph at any height. I think they effectively confirmed this one.
CM: I also noticed that there is a distinct lack of a tennis ball for the overhead & distance shots (just two people swinging at air). So, could it be possible that it's not even the players in those shots? Could it be that the tennis players were actually standing on a rig on the ground and all the airborne shots featured stunt doubles (professional wing walkers)?
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Post by Lokifan on Jul 28, 2014 3:33:41 GMT
I did see the ball at 2:43 when I froze the video.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 28, 2014 11:21:27 GMT
I did see the ball at 2:43 when I froze the video. Yup, me too. It could have been CGI'ed in there, but it's definitely there. If it was CGI'ed in, the people doing it did one hell of a job though! I've watched it a couple of times now and have been able to track the ball from the guy on the far side to the guy on the near side of the plane and the trajectory of that ball looks almost identical to what we saw on the show. You'd have to be somewhat of a physics nerd and have extreme attention to detail if you're going to CGI a little tennis ball in at that distance and actually get it to behave like it would in real life, fighting against the wind like we saw it do on the show. We're either looking at someone actually doing this, or we're looking at the product of an extremely good CGI artist. Either way, it's impressive! |
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Post by ironhold on Jul 30, 2014 1:21:25 GMT
Is it even possible to bob for apples from the inverted position the commercial depicts?
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Post by the light works on Jul 30, 2014 3:15:24 GMT
Is it even possible to bob for apples from the inverted position the commercial depicts? hmmm... a test they missed in their hurry to go big. it may be easier except for the water up the nose. |
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 30, 2014 21:43:04 GMT
Is it even possible to bob for apples from the inverted position the commercial depicts? hmmm... a test they missed in their hurry to go big. it may be easier except for the water up the nose. I've personally always found that the easiest way to bob for apples is to get the apples close to the edge of the tub/bowl with my mouth/nose/chin and then hold them there so they don't "run away" while I'm trying to bite them. I think, if you tried it, you'd find that more difficult from an inverted position, as you'd have to put most of your head in the water, wouldn't be able to see what you were doing and would have a harder time navigating your body and head along all the axes of attack (especially up/down). |
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Post by the light works on Jul 30, 2014 23:35:27 GMT
hmmm... a test they missed in their hurry to go big. it may be easier except for the water up the nose. I've personally always found that the easiest way to bob for apples is to get the apples close to the edge of the tub/bowl with my mouth/nose/chin and then hold them there so they don't "run away" while I'm trying to bite them. I think, if you tried it, you'd find that more difficult from an inverted position, as you'd have to put most of your head in the water, wouldn't be able to see what you were doing and would have a harder time navigating your body and head along all the axes of attack (especially up/down). the vertical axis would be a bigger challenge, but you might find you had more mobility in the x/y axes. |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 6, 2014 8:52:29 GMT
I get the feeling the apple bobber in the video had the apple in his mouth before he hit the water......
No way did they do that for real, no way can they expect us to believe they did that for real.
If they had hit the side of the barrel ......
The tennis on a plane wing, CGI, we all accept that.
Would they risk an actual Wimbledon rated "Star" up on the wing walk?...
Look, the MB's couldn't get insurance to do that, and they have experience of risks....
TBH, this aired this week in UK, and I didnt like it.
Personal thing, dont take that as I am criticising anything beyond what I say here.
Two myths taken to the logical conclusion, and Jamie seriously rattled for heights?....
I have mentioned I wouldnt like to be tortured against any of my phobia's for entertainment, I emphasize with Jamie on this one, and when Adam said it was beyond his ability to do the stunt, I kinda had two minds, one against the way it was left for Jaie to do the stunt, and one saying "I dont bloody blame you"....
BTW, the wing walk, would I have climbed up there?..
Yes, but staying there whilst in motion may have been a different thing.
Do an actual wing walk?...
I aint sure if I like flying that much.
Perhaps the two phobias together, fear of heights and actual fear of wing walking, why be outside of a perfectly good plane, affected my view of the show?...
No I would NOT do a parachute jump.
I have done the training to know what to do if I need to bail out of a broke aeroplane...
Thats enough.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 6, 2014 10:05:13 GMT
Remember, SD, Adam and Jamie are executive producers of the show. As such, if Jamie didn't want to get up there, he could've just said no. They could've just opted not to test it at all, if neither of them wanted to.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 7, 2014 7:48:21 GMT
Executive producers..... I dont like this, But Jamie, if you dont do it, we have no test.....
The other members of the production team must have put some pressure on him...?...
And you know what "Friends" are like when they "Suggest" a Jaeger Bomb....
BTW, that kind of pressure dont work on me.
"What are you, a Pussy cat or something?."
"I died once, that was enough"
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Post by the light works on Aug 7, 2014 14:24:34 GMT
Executive producers..... I dont like this, But Jamie, if you dont do it, we have no test..... The other members of the production team must have put some pressure on him...?... And you know what "Friends" are like when they "Suggest" a Jaeger Bomb.... BTW, that kind of pressure dont work on me. "What are you, a Pussy cat or something?." "I died once, that was enough" you can assume that the whole cast and grew ganged up on him and forced him to do it. Or you can assume that he wanted it done badly enough to face his fears on his own recognizance. Or even that he did it as a personal challenge to himself. |
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 7, 2014 14:37:25 GMT
The cast have NEVER been forced to do anything they were not willing to do.
EVER.
This isn't just a case of refusing to do things on camera, but also a case of refusing to even test things they will not or do not want to do.
If Jamie had decided enough was enough and he didn't want to do anymore they would have looked at other options - most likely calling Tory in, as he's stood in for Adam before now.
The cast and crew have, with a handful of exceptions, been together since the show started and rarely leave because they enjoy working on the show. That is not the kind of show where people are going to gang up and force people to do something they don't want to.
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