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Post by the light works on Aug 7, 2014 15:37:05 GMT
The cast have NEVER been forced to do anything they were not willing to do. EVER. This isn't just a case of refusing to do things on camera, but also a case of refusing to even test things they will not or do not want to do. If Jamie had decided enough was enough and he didn't want to do anymore they would have looked at other options - most likely calling Tory in, as he's stood in for Adam before now. The cast and crew have, with a handful of exceptions, been together since the show started and rarely leave because they enjoy working on the show. That is not the kind of show where people are going to gang up and force people to do something they don't want to. or even handed the whole thing off to the build crew.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 7, 2014 16:47:43 GMT
Remember, many times in the past they've said (with deserved pride) that some of their job is risking their bodies for the myth. Water torture, spicy food cure, daddy long-legs, and others come to mind. All were painful or frightening, yet they did it. That's not to say they're suicidal; just that they recognize risk makes dramatic TV. I suppose Jamie was rational enough that he realized there was little danger in the bungee jumping so he let it go on. However, it's bound to strain one's nerves having to jump again and again--all day long. Facing that primal fear repeatedly can't be much fun, and what sounded good in the production meeting maybe wasn't so great in reality, especially when Adam backed out. We'll never know, unless maybe Lex can ask them at their stage show!
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Post by the light works on Aug 7, 2014 16:49:30 GMT
Remember, many times in the past they've said (with deserved pride) that some of their job is risking their bodies for the myth. Water torture, spicy food cure, daddy long-legs, and others come to mind. All were painful or frightening, yet they did it. That's not to say they're suicidal; just that they recognize risk makes dramatic TV. I suppose Jamie was rational enough that he realized there was little danger in the bungee jumping so he let it go on. However, it's bound to strain one's nerves having to jump again and again--all day long. Facing that primal fear repeatedly can't be much fun, and what sounded good in the production meeting maybe wasn't so great in reality, especially when Adam backed out. We'll never know, unless maybe Lex can ask them at their stage show! or we get it in an interview.
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 7, 2014 17:46:11 GMT
No promises about interviews with Adam or Jamie. I am looking into it, but both are very busy people.
If you want to ask that question, on the off-chance that I ever get an interview with them, add it to the 'questions for...' thread in the interviews forum. Note that I would probably re-word or re-write such a question to be less specific to an individual episode.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 7, 2014 19:22:43 GMT
The cast have NEVER been forced to do anything they were not willing to do. EVER. This isn't just a case of refusing to do things on camera, but also a case of refusing to even test things they will not or do not want to do. If Jamie had decided enough was enough and he didn't want to do anymore they would have looked at other options - most likely calling Tory in, as he's stood in for Adam before now. The cast and crew have, with a handful of exceptions, been together since the show started and rarely leave because they enjoy working on the show. That is not the kind of show where people are going to gang up and force people to do something they don't want to. Exactly. Watch one of the many interviews on YouTube, mostly with Adam, and you'll always hear the same thing. The show is based on what the cast want to do and don't want to do, because both Beyond and Discovery found out many years ago that they get the best show out of letting them decide, since they'll invest themselves more when they're really into what's being tested, which translates into on screen enthusiasm and energy that the audience responds well to.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 7, 2014 20:37:07 GMT
As I recall, the sole example of the producers stepping in to "force" something to happen was the famous Ark Shocker, in which an unnamed producer replaced the relatively benign battery feeding the Ark with a high voltage power supply, then let Adam grab it unprepared.
From what I recall, they were fired.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 7, 2014 21:23:53 GMT
As I recall, the sole example of the producers stepping in to "force" something to happen was the famous Ark Shocker, in which an unnamed producer replaced the relatively benign battery feeding the Ark with a high voltage power supply, then let Adam grab it unprepared. From what I recall, they were fired. All the interview footage I've ever seen where that situation was addressed has always presented that as being Tori and Kari's (bad) idea. Spin?
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Post by Cybermortis on Aug 7, 2014 23:34:30 GMT
As I recall, the sole example of the producers stepping in to "force" something to happen was the famous Ark Shocker, in which an unnamed producer replaced the relatively benign battery feeding the Ark with a high voltage power supply, then let Adam grab it unprepared. From what I recall, they were fired. All the interview footage I've ever seen where that situation was addressed has always presented that as being Tori and Kari's (bad) idea. Spin? Check the cast and crew credits for imdb, no producer left the show in 2003/4 when the episode was filmed. In all seriousness, even back then any producer stepping in and demanding that the cast do something they didn't want to do or considered remotely dangerous would have been escorted out of the door. It is much more likely that they rigged the device up to the electroshock generator used for the peeing on the third rail thinking it would be funny, and everyone involved didn't realize how stupid and dangerous it was until after the fact. As MB have mentioned before if ANYONE has any concerns over safety they are free and expected to speak up and will be listened to. That the prank went ahead indicates that no none on set had any concerns at the time.
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Post by the light works on Aug 8, 2014 0:27:33 GMT
All the interview footage I've ever seen where that situation was addressed has always presented that as being Tori and Kari's (bad) idea. Spin? Check the cast and crew credits for imdb, no producer left the show in 2003/4 when the episode was filmed. In all seriousness, even back then any producer stepping in and demanding that the cast do something they didn't want to do or considered remotely dangerous would have been escorted out of the door. It is much more likely that they rigged the device up to the electroshock generator used for the peeing on the third rail thinking it would be funny, and everyone involved didn't realize how stupid and dangerous it was until after the fact. As MB have mentioned before if ANYONE has any concerns over safety they are free and expected to speak up and will be listened to. That the prank went ahead indicates that no none on set had any concerns at the time. as I recall, it was an electric fence power supply. - so the danger was minimal - but still a bad idea.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 8, 2014 2:40:29 GMT
When Adam was at the Maker Fair in San Mateo, I seem to recall him saying it was an unnamed producer, but maybe I'm remembering it poorly.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 8, 2014 6:14:07 GMT
I know and understand that if Jamie had gone out and said "I cant do this", it would have stopped, which is where the show ended, Enough is enough, we are not going to get a different result however long we test this... Its just I could feel his discomfort at height.
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Post by tom1b on Aug 10, 2014 1:59:34 GMT
Facebook ATP-Making of WingTennisNo shots of the ball, but in the commercial it travels in the correct path, not in a CGI straight line. Smithsonian Air & Space: Tennis, AnyoneNo film, bad pic but they are on a biplane in 1925 "playing" tennis. The apple bobbing: The boat jump in the James Bond film "Live & Let Die" was attempted over 100 times before they tried to film it for the movie. Thomas Edison said "I have not failed 10,000 times. I have successfully found 10,000 ways that will not work." And yet the Mythbusters call BUSTED after 3 attempts?
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Post by tom1b on Aug 10, 2014 2:05:40 GMT
Check the cast and crew credits for imdb, no producer left the show in 2003/4 when the episode was filmed. In all seriousness, even back then any producer stepping in and demanding that the cast do something they didn't want to do or considered remotely dangerous would have been escorted out of the door. It is much more likely that they rigged the device up to the electroshock generator used for the peeing on the third rail thinking it would be funny, and everyone involved didn't realize how stupid and dangerous it was until after the fact. As MB have mentioned before if ANYONE has any concerns over safety they are free and expected to speak up and will be listened to. That the prank went ahead indicates that no none on set had any concerns at the time. as I recall, it was an electric fence power supply. - so the danger was minimal - but still a bad idea. Andrew Farrell is listed a producer for Mythbustes in 7 episodes, the last one is the "Cooling a 6 Pack" which had the Baghdad battery. He is listed as "post producer" in 2 1010 episodes.
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Post by the light works on Aug 10, 2014 4:17:20 GMT
Facebook ATP-Making of WingTennisNo shots of the ball, but in the commercial it travels in the correct path, not in a CGI straight line. Smithsonian Air & Space: Tennis, AnyoneNo film, bad pic but they are on a biplane in 1925 "playing" tennis. The apple bobbing: The boat jump in the James Bond film "Live & Let Die" was attempted over 100 times before they tried to film it for the movie. Thomas Edison said "I have not failed 10,000 times. I have successfully found 10,000 ways that will not work." And yet the Mythbusters call BUSTED after 3 attempts? the scene of the commercial is busted - the physics of bungee jumping do not match the physics of the commercial.
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Post by blazerrose on Aug 10, 2014 5:39:14 GMT
Thank you, Tom, I knew I had seen that somewhere.
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Post by mrfatso on Aug 10, 2014 16:03:09 GMT
looking closer at the physics involved - I call shenanigans. its the horizontal component of the forces involved that make it a provable fake. to actually do it, the "bobber" would have to drop head downward from directly under the anchor point, to eliminate any lateral motion at the end of the drop. - the bobber in the commercial jumped from the platform, increasing the lateral offset, and therefore the lateral motion. If you know Carling, and their awful drinks, then they have a long tradition of Humorous use,of animation in their adverts, for instance the German saving the Dambusters raid one.
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Post by Lokifan on Aug 10, 2014 19:40:01 GMT
Thank you, Tom, I knew I had seen that somewhere. Let me add my thanks, too. I was in the audience for that speech, and I thought I heard that right.
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 10, 2014 21:58:33 GMT
Thank you, Tom, I knew I had seen that somewhere. Let me add my thanks, too. I was in the audience for that speech, and I thought I heard that right. I stand corrected
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