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Post by silverdragon on Jul 29, 2014 8:17:57 GMT
This is a strange one, but, in many cases, its believed that if you start to get annoyed, you concentrate harder, work harder, are more accurate...........
And sometimes make better decisions.
I cant comment.
I have an anti-anger switch... its known as the accelerator.
I just can not drive angry... its virtually impossible for me to do that...
But other jobs, is it better to be annoyed, or walk away calm down and start again with a clear head?...
I choose the latter.
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Post by OziRiS on Jul 29, 2014 11:44:28 GMT
This is a strange one, but, in many cases, its believed that if you start to get annoyed, you concentrate harder, work harder, are more accurate........... And sometimes make better decisions. I cant comment. I have an anti-anger switch... its known as the accelerator. I just can not drive angry... its virtually impossible for me to do that... But other jobs, is it better to be annoyed, or walk away calm down and start again with a clear head?... I choose the latter. I'm with you on that one. I think there may be some truth to it if you're doing brute force work. I've certainly found that if I have to move something heavy and it gets snagged on something, getting really mad when I can't get it free certainly seems to have the effect that I can summon more strength to just rip it loose. Not always a good thing, but it gets the immediate job done. You can worry about what you've broken afterwards  But for stuff that requires concentration and precision? Busted. At least for me. If I'm angry, I just want to get whatever I'm doing done as quickly as possible, which isn't exactly an attitude that facilitates patience and precision. |
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Post by silverdragon on Jul 29, 2014 14:37:40 GMT
So Raw aggression for demolition work, but cool and calm for creative work.....
Define creative I suppose.
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Post by the light works on Jul 29, 2014 15:16:44 GMT
So Raw aggression for demolition work, but cool and calm for creative work..... Define creative I suppose. I would replace "creative" with "non destructive" and I agree that anger does not lend itself well to finesse. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jul 31, 2014 13:22:04 GMT
A couple years ago I was demolishing the walkway leading to my front door (using only a sledgehammer, it was prep for a new paver walkway*) and my wife said something off-the-cuff about how she thought I was doing it wrong. Sent her away, put my head down, and finished the demo in no time. I have to agree that I cannot see anger being in anyway good for more detail-oriented work, such as building a cabinet. I'd have to walk away and blow off steam or risk ruining the project. *A contractor tells me I can save money by breaking stuff, I am a happy camper. |
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Post by the light works on Jul 31, 2014 14:05:24 GMT
A couple years ago I was demolishing the walkway leading to my front door (using only a sledgehammer, it was prep for a new paver walkway*) and my wife said something off-the-cuff about how she thought I was doing it wrong. Sent her away, put my head down, and finished the demo in no time. I have to agree that I cannot see anger being in anyway good for more detail-oriented work, such as building a cabinet. I'd have to walk away and blow off steam or risk ruining the project. *A contractor tells me I can save money by breaking stuff, I am a happy camper. years ago, I was working at a gas station under remodel. the contractor assigned his laborer to break down a cinder block wall with a hand sledge while he went to run an errand. the excavation contractor (the tanks were being changed out at the same time) came in and found him "ping ping ping"ing away at it, and sent HIS low guy in with a proper sledgehammer to show him how it was done. a few well placed blows revealed that the wall was fully cast with concrete. so they rigged a sling with their jackhammer and turned the kid loose with that. the contractor found the kid with a good 6 feet of the wall chipped out, and decided, "no, no, stop, you're doing it all wrong." and then proceeded to rent an electric jackhammer and spend the entirety of the next day blowing our circuit breaker and making progress at about half the rate the kid had been doing. |
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Jul 31, 2014 14:18:02 GMT
years ago, I was working at a gas station under remodel. the contractor assigned his laborer to break down a cinder block wall with a hand sledge while he went to run an errand. the excavation contractor (the tanks were being changed out at the same time) came in and found him "ping ping ping"ing away at it, and sent HIS low guy in with a proper sledgehammer to show him how it was done. a few well placed blows revealed that the wall was fully cast with concrete. so they rigged a sling with their jackhammer and turned the kid loose with that. the contractor found the kid with a good 6 feet of the wall chipped out, and decided, "no, no, stop, you're doing it all wrong." and then proceeded to rent an electric jackhammer and spend the entirety of the next day blowing our circuit breaker and making progress at about half the rate the kid had been doing. And that's why that guy is in charge...because, if he were a laborer, he'd probably get kicked off a lot of jobs... |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 3, 2014 10:59:42 GMT
"Your doing it wrong".... I get that from time to time. I witnessed an expert deal with a heckler ... he was so right(the heckler).... NOT! "So you do this for a living then?..." "No... I just can see{he was cut short) "So you dont have any qualifications on how to rig this?.." "Not exactly, but if you(cut short) "So you are here, jack of all trades, master of none, offering unwanted unqualified advice to someone on three times your pay grade and you expect me to just stop what I am doing and take notice of your ideas?... Here's the plan, we do it our way, one that has stood many many years of tried and tested and proven to be the right way, and we ignore your skinny (donkey), if you want to be useful, the kettle is in that cabin......" All said in a conversational tone whilst still rigging the sheets, with extreme "Not trying to be rude" overtones but matter of fact and a "You are dismissed" finality..... An Expert at work... I had a lot to learn, and had my ears open full in those days. I still do, of course, I just know when to stop listening when a fool blethers his way into a hole a lot sooner now?... What were we doing?.. rope-and-sheet over a cargo that needed some weatherproofing. The idiot was still suggesting to anyone who would listen that we needed to CHAIN the sheets in place. Both of us knew how to rope and sheet by then, its an art form, easy to learn, hard to perfect, and experience is a must. Ok, so, I ask a question here, because I wouldnt dare ask it then, or of anyone else who knows what they are doing, because I know it to be a insane question... You have chained a load down already, it aint moving, it needs some weatherproofing, so you have Tarpaulin, and Rope. You use rope because it has some elasticity that allows you to tighten it up without the harshness of metal fixings that will just rub and wear the waterproof sheeting's. You use the rope-and-sheet knots that you cant explain but just do, the ones that tighten the lines like throwing a block and tackle on them, you lash it down, it aint going to move, as long as you stop every now and again and check they aint come loose.... You also throw a few "X" shaped passes of rope over large expanses to keep the flapping to a minimum, but, again, rope... its not as harsh as chain, it wont tear the sheets. So why the hell would anyone ever suggest that CHAIN was better than rope in that circumstance?... It just isnt. Anyone who knows, knows, its rope for a reason, so why would anyone suggest chain?... Again, the load has already been secured under the sheets. that is only going to move if you say so. The stupid question is one you dont ask, the insane question is one you already know the answer too, but have had someone throw doubt on. It just doesnt sit right that this fool may have had something we ignored?... Or was my Friend absolutely right to dismiss him as he did. BTW, this image shows rope and sheet in action...  Anyone?... |
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Post by the light works on Aug 3, 2014 14:39:31 GMT
so - you are referring to the trucker's hitch. the combination knot that allows you to gain a 2:1 mechanical advantage in tightening a line and then secure it until it is time to let it loose.
nothing is more annoying than a know-it-all who only knows half the situation. - the one you mention probably had no clue that the load was secure under the sheets. - actually, here, the loads are more commonly secured with massive web straps, unless they are loads that are so irregular they have binding points welded on or are so forgiving they don't mind damage from chains. single action chain binders are also rapidly becoming a thing of the past - our new ones are the turnbuckle style.
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 4, 2014 15:35:29 GMT
so - you are referring to the trucker's hitch. the combination knot that allows you to gain a 2:1 mechanical advantage in tightening a line and then secure it until it is time to let it loose. nothing is more annoying than a know-it-all who only knows half the situation. - the one you mention probably had no clue that the load was secure under the sheets. - actually, here, the loads are more commonly secured with massive web straps, unless they are loads that are so irregular they have binding points welded on or are so forgiving they don't mind damage from chains. single action chain binders are also rapidly becoming a thing of the past - our new ones are the turnbuckle style. "Chained down" is a euphemism for securely secured in an "its not bloody moving" way. Yes we use ratchet straps on softer goods, but if its Metal its self and doesnt bend easily, then we use actual chain, as they are much stronger. Remembering I do IDW, if its a piece of tower crane, for example, if that gets a push from a side wind, it will slide..... Chains, HEAVY chains, cross-tied at each end, and in-between, so they form an "X" shape inside the tower body, are a sure way to make sure the bloody things aint moving an inch. Rope-and-sheet over the top of that type of load depends on which part it is and how far you are going. Short distance on a sunny day, no sheets. Long distance where rain is expected, especially on any moving part that may have greased joints, you sheet over to protect and add a little aerodynamics.... Yes there are newer quicker chains, but, we, or I, use the old ones, because when its being done, I dont get rushed, I take my time, I make sure its right first time, every time. Sometimes the slow and steady is the only real safe option... And when it is, its usually me doing it that way. On more than one occasion, I have had to get on the back of my Wagon a build a cradle... from lumps of wood... Some objects require that kind of handling, some times getting the thing on safely and off the other end take more time than the actual driving, most times preparation is always the key. This is a thinking man's way of Transport... Roll on and roll off it aint. Which is why its so unpopular... its not "Normal", its not your average 40ft or 60ft trailer simple pick up and go loads... And why I love it so much. I have no idea what I will be doing tomorrow... Every day could be an adventure. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2014 16:31:08 GMT
so - you are referring to the trucker's hitch. the combination knot that allows you to gain a 2:1 mechanical advantage in tightening a line and then secure it until it is time to let it loose. nothing is more annoying than a know-it-all who only knows half the situation. - the one you mention probably had no clue that the load was secure under the sheets. - actually, here, the loads are more commonly secured with massive web straps, unless they are loads that are so irregular they have binding points welded on or are so forgiving they don't mind damage from chains. single action chain binders are also rapidly becoming a thing of the past - our new ones are the turnbuckle style. "Chained down" is a euphemism for securely secured in an "its not bloody moving" way. Yes we use ratchet straps on softer goods, but if its Metal its self and doesnt bend easily, then we use actual chain, as they are much stronger. Remembering I do IDW, if its a piece of tower crane, for example, if that gets a push from a side wind, it will slide..... Chains, HEAVY chains, cross-tied at each end, and in-between, so they form an "X" shape inside the tower body, are a sure way to make sure the bloody things aint moving an inch. Rope-and-sheet over the top of that type of load depends on which part it is and how far you are going. Short distance on a sunny day, no sheets. Long distance where rain is expected, especially on any moving part that may have greased joints, you sheet over to protect and add a little aerodynamics.... Yes there are newer quicker chains, but, we, or I, use the old ones, because when its being done, I dont get rushed, I take my time, I make sure its right first time, every time. Sometimes the slow and steady is the only real safe option... And when it is, its usually me doing it that way. On more than one occasion, I have had to get on the back of my Wagon a build a cradle... from lumps of wood... Some objects require that kind of handling, some times getting the thing on safely and off the other end take more time than the actual driving, most times preparation is always the key. This is a thinking man's way of Transport... Roll on and roll off it aint. Which is why its so unpopular... its not "Normal", its not your average 40ft or 60ft trailer simple pick up and go loads... And why I love it so much. I have no idea what I will be doing tomorrow... Every day could be an adventure. to get it back to anger improving performance, the reason why the single action chain binders went by the wayside, is because too many loggers set them too tight, put a cheater bar on the handle, tried to force them, and ended up with hand and arm injuries. |
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Post by OziRiS on Aug 4, 2014 22:07:25 GMT
Yes there are newer quicker chains, but, we, or I, use the old ones, because when its being done, I dont get rushed, I take my time, I make sure its right first time, every time. Sometimes the slow and steady is the only real safe option... I've heard and used this expression several times, under several different sets of circumstances and it seems to apply here: Slow is safe, safe is quick. Meaning that doing it right is often quicker than doing it over. |
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Post by the light works on Aug 4, 2014 23:26:18 GMT
used to work at a place where the mantra seemed to be "we don't have time to do it right." somehow, we always seemed to have time to do it over.
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Post by The Urban Mythbuster on Aug 5, 2014 14:10:15 GMT
You can do it the quick way or you can do it the right way. They will never yield the same result.
Similarly: You can it the cheap way or you can do it the right way...
You want cheap AND quick? How about you just keep it the way it is?
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 5, 2014 15:44:33 GMT
Often there is no possibility of "Doing it again" with what I do.
Its exceptional loads.
If it goes wrong, its call the tow truck to remove the wreckage....
It does not affect me at all.
I know it will be done right.
If anything looks wrong, make it right.
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Post by ironhold on Aug 6, 2014 1:42:08 GMT
Yes there are newer quicker chains, but, we, or I, use the old ones, because when its being done, I dont get rushed, I take my time, I make sure its right first time, every time. Sometimes the slow and steady is the only real safe option... I've heard and used this expression several times, under several different sets of circumstances and it seems to apply here: Slow is safe, safe is quick. Meaning that doing it right is often quicker than doing it over. One of my ancestors was a devoutly religious man who worked as a mule driver; his route ran him between Utah and California. Every seven days, he'd stop and take the morning to read his scriptures. The other drivers in his company used to make fun of him for doing so. ...until they realized that he was moving more freight faster in six days than they were in seven. Although my ancestor would spend the morning in religious study, he'd spend the afternoon running preventive maintenance on his wagon, his animals, and his cargo. As a result, not only were he and his animals fully rested come the morrow, his equipment tended to be in far better repair. |
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 6, 2014 6:41:33 GMT
The roads are hell, the traffic is a {female canine}, some twerp has lost his load, the tailbacks are a few miles long.
You can be sure it wasnt me.
I take time each day to make sure I never break that promise.
I pride myself on that promise.
About now, you can see why?....
My tag line ifs born of that promise, you cant fix stupid, but you can eliminate it.
Well, most of the time anyway.
I hear on my grapevine a welder is getting his backside kicked after the tie-down plate he welded on to a structure snapped free.... "I didnt know it was supposed to be that strong..."
Tie down plate is basically a plate with a hole in that we either snap a hook onto or pass a chain through rather than dent the paintwork on the structure, you find them on bits of tower crane, or other steel tower constructions.
The general idea is you could, if you wished, suspend the whole structure from a chain through just one of those plates.
"Break free" is not something you want to hear about from one of those plates.....
Should we now alter our whole "Trust" level of those plates in case he has welded more than just that one?...
For me, its an extra ratchet strap over each part of the load until I can be sure I aint got one he welded.
"Just in case"
The Grapevine is how we learn... you may laugh at someone else's miss-fortune, but it sticks somewhere to avoid that problem yourself?...
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Post by the light works on Aug 6, 2014 14:05:43 GMT
The roads are hell, the traffic is a {female canine}, some twerp has lost his load, the tailbacks are a few miles long. You can be sure it wasnt me. I take time each day to make sure I never break that promise. I pride myself on that promise. About now, you can see why?.... My tag line ifs born of that promise, you cant fix stupid, but you can eliminate it. Well, most of the time anyway. I hear on my grapevine a welder is getting his backside kicked after the tie-down plate he welded on to a structure snapped free.... "I didnt know it was supposed to be that strong..." Tie down plate is basically a plate with a hole in that we either snap a hook onto or pass a chain through rather than dent the paintwork on the structure, you find them on bits of tower crane, or other steel tower constructions. The general idea is you could, if you wished, suspend the whole structure from a chain through just one of those plates. "Break free" is not something you want to hear about from one of those plates..... Should we now alter our whole "Trust" level of those plates in case he has welded more than just that one?... For me, its an extra ratchet strap over each part of the load until I can be sure I aint got one he welded. "Just in case" The Grapevine is how we learn... you may laugh at someone else's miss-fortune, but it sticks somewhere to avoid that problem yourself?... I was taught that a broken weld means the welder did his job wrong. the weld should be stronger than the material that is welded. |
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Post by tom1b on Aug 13, 2014 8:47:10 GMT
Anger is not an aid to making decisions. Anger doesn't help you to concrete. "I'm so mad right now I can't think straight!"
"The Devil and Daniel Webster" Ole Daniel is about to unleash his fury on the rigged jury. He is about to unleash his holy wrath. And he realizes that his rage against the jury would be counterproductive and he switches tactics. He talks about brotherhood, growing up and surviving on the frontier together among other things. But not succumbing to his fury, he wins the trial.
“The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men.” -- part of Navy SEAL Creed
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Post by silverdragon on Aug 13, 2014 11:58:53 GMT
I think maybe we need to consider that whilst Anger is present, its tying up your cognitive thoughts, therefore, you are doing other things on "Auto pilot".
I have reason to believe that whilst you are on auto pilot you do things the same way all the time.
If that is the case, and you are not trying to improve what you do as you do it, you make less "Mistakes"....
If you have something to think about?
Am I making sense?...
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